Will Langford Make All Big Ten

[mushroomgod_1]

They are obviously not experts in your eyes, since they don't agree with you, so who cares? You are an expert with a different opinion. That's fine. Also, while not an expert, I have stayed in a Holiday Inn, and I feel his defense has been strong, especially improving as the season has progressed.

I guess if the NBA passes on him in the draft, my expertise will be in question.

Actually, if you look at his DR tg ratings, his D as gotten worse as the year progressed.---106.3 in BT play, 99.8 overall.

In those ratings, in conference play, he's behind Josh Reaves (99.4), Juwan Morgan (95.8), Najel Eastern (98.6), Bruno Fernando (93.2), Xavier Simpson (94.2), Ignas Brazeikis (94.3), Charles Matthews (95.4), Vic Law (100.00), Jordan Poole (97.8), Lamar Stevens (104.00), Devonte Green (103.6), Rob Phinisee (105.4), E. Happ (86.9), among others. Guys like Reaves, Brazeikis, Matthews, Law, & Poole have similar roles with much better ratings.

Also, where the NBA chooses to draft him is based on potential much more than his college performance. I specifically mentioned that I wasn't talking about his potential as a defensive player, just the reality of his performance. So, that was another dumb comment on your part.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He's going to be a top 10 pick. He's at least 3rd team all conference and will be FOTY. He will also make any freshman AA lists. Since somebody brought up Damon Bailey earlier, go back and compare his freshman stats to Romeo's. The kid would be in the NBA right now if there wasn't the stupid 1 and done rule. I feel like some people in this thread have been watching different games than me or something??

He probably will be BT freshman of the year, but he should not be. Brazeikis has been the best freshman in the BT.

 

[meenie]

Morgan third team and Romeo honorable mention

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Morgan third team and Romeo honorable mention

IMO,

First Team:

Edwards
Happ
Winston (MVP)
Fernando
Simpson or Brazeikis

Second Team:

Simpson or Brazeikis
Murphy
Cook
Morgan
Cowen

Third Team:

Coffey
Langford
K. Wesson
Pardon
Stevens

Comments---

1. The 3rd team is really hard to pick.
2 I know 1 2nd and 1 3rd pick is a lot for the shitty IU team, but I think it goes to just how bad the rest of the team has been , until the last few games.
3. Others: Bohannon, Wieskamp, Garza--Iowa; Palmer, Roby, Watson--Nebraska; Law--NW; Poole,Teske--UM; Cline, Eastern, Haarmes--Purdue; Omoruyi, Baker--RU; Ward, Goins--MSU; CJ Jackson, Muhammad--OSU; Frazier, Dosunmu; Giorgi B--ILL; Reaves, Bolton--PSU; Smith--MD; Davison, Trice--WIS

 

[snarlcakes]

He probably will be BT freshman of the year, but he should not be. Brazeikis has been the best freshman in the BT.

Romeo has had a better year and should win the BT freshman of the year. Brazeikis is surrounded by better players and defenses aren't able to key on him, unlike Romeo, and Romeo still has better numbers. We would be lucky to have 10 wins if Romeo wasn't on the team.

 

[TR32]

What experts have told you he has only been an average defensive player, at best? Or are you the expert?

I think he's been pretty good on defense, especially around the basket.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Romeo has had a better year and should win the BT freshman of the year. Brazeikis is surrounded by better players and defenses aren't able to key on him, unlike Romeo, and Romeo still has better numbers. We would be lucky to have 10 wins if Romeo wasn't on the team.[/QUOTE


I disagree, and I'll give my reasons below. I hope I don't piss too many people off, but it's my opinion. I understand others will disagree, especially on the intangibles.

Here are the stats, for conference games only, per game:

IB: 30.3 MP.....14.0 PPG.....438 overall, .457 on 2s, .405 on 3s....776 FTs...5.3 rebounds.....8 assists, 1.2 TOs...OR tg: 110.1...DR tg: 94.3

RL: 34.9 MP....16.6 PPG.....425 overall, 484 on 2s, .307 on 3s.....757 FTs....5.1 rebs....1.8 assists, 2.2 TOs...OR tg: 106.6....DR tg: 106.3

Overall the #s are very close, but I give the edge to IB: better on 3s & overall SP, on FTs, on rebounds, and on offensive & defensive efficiency ratings. Langford wins on PPG, 2 point %. Langford had more assists, but also more TOs.

Where I think IB has been MUCH better overall, is in the areas of leadership/attitude and clutch play. IB has been an inspirational player on a very good team. He has busted his ass all year. RL has looked completely bored about 50% of the time. As far as clutch play, Romeo has hit a few big shots. It sure seems, however, that he's missed a lot more than he's made. I understand he has motivations unrelated to playing college basketball. I don't care one way or the other about the NBA. I'm just going off what I've seen.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

You have to click the box to see the reply above.

 

[TR32]

All-freshman team:

Ayo
Romeo
Weiskamp
J. Smith
Iggy

 

[mushroomgod_1]

All-freshman team:

Ayo
Romeo
Weiskamp
J. Smith
Iggy

Agree with this, but I also think this was an exceptional freshmen class of guys who are going to be really good four year players, like Phinisee & Thompson, Williams & Hunter from PU, Henry, Muhammad, Giorgi, Johns, Oturu,& Kirsher (sp?) from MN, Wiggins.....hopefully, Jerome Hunter.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Romeo has had a better year and should win the BT freshman of the year. Brazeikis is surrounded by better players and defenses aren't able to key on him, unlike Romeo, and Romeo still has better numbers. We would be lucky to have 10 wins if Romeo wasn't on the team.

Last sentence---same with no Morgan, who has been the team's MVP......... I think if you had switched Romeo & Brazeikis, IU would have been better & Michigan worse.

Brazeikis might be UM's MVP, or at least co-MVP with Simpson. I understand he won't be so named, because he's a freshman.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

You have to click the box to see the reply above.

Don't click the box. It's a waste of time. Mushy here thinks Romeo looks "bored" and that IB has been "inspirational". Clearly he's never watched Romeo play a second of basketball before he got onto campus. He ALWAYS looks like that. He's cooler than a cucumber. Always in control of his emotions. IB grunts, screams, pounds his chest and then chest bumps a teammate, so he's clearly the better player.

That's what mushy put into the box. Don't open the box.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

Or Morgan......... I think if you had switched Romeo & Brazeikis, IU would have been better & Michigan worse.

Possibly, but what on earth does that have to do with this discussion? IU certainly needs more big bodies and shooters. IB is that. I'm positive that UM wouldn't have to play Romeo 35 minutes a night and rely on him to carry the team in the strongest conference in America. Apples and oranges.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Don't click the box. It's a waste of time. Mushy here thinks Romeo looks "bored" and that IB has been "inspirational". Clearly he's never watched Romeo play a second of basketball before he got onto campus. He ALWAYS looks like that. He's cooler than a cucumber. Always in control of his emotions. IB grunts, screams, pounds his chest and then chest bumps a teammate, so he's clearly the better player.

That's what mushy put into the box. Don't open the box.

I did watch him play some in HS......he looked bored then as well. I did wonder about it. I had hoped he would show some fire in college. Not so much.

One guy is a leader on a team that lost 4 games in BT play....the other guy is on an under-achieving 6-12 team.

In that post, there are also some stats that people might want to look at. They may be too complicated for you.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Possibly, but what on earth does that have to do with this discussion? IU certainly needs more big bodies and shooters. IB is that. I'm positive that UM wouldn't have to play Romeo 35 minutes a night and rely on him to carry the team in the strongest conference in America. Apples and oranges.

You don't think it's relevant that IU would be better, and Michigan worse, if we traded Romeo & IB?

 

[meenie]

If my aunt had a package, she would be my uncle.

 

[snarlcakes]

I don’t think you’re out of line. I just give the edge to Romeo.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

You don't think it's relevant that IU would be better, and Michigan worse, if we traded Romeo & IB?

1st, you can't be sure. 2nd, it's a crazy hypothetical with so many variables to consider. 3rd, it has no bearing on who's had a better season.

Romeo has had a better season and has had to carry his team. IB has been able to slide into a squad that went to the NC game last year.

Your hypothetical is like me stating this: IB would have had a worse year at IU than he's had at UM. Romeo would've had a better year at UM than he's had at IU. How could we know any of that?

I did watch him play some in HS......he looked bored then as well. I did wonder about it. I had hoped he would show some fire in college. Not so much.

One guy is a leader on a team that lost 4 games in BT play....the other guy is on an under-achieving 6-12 team.

In that post, there are also some stats that people might want to look at. They may be too complicated for you.

He's never looked "bored". That's just lazy on your part. You're judging someone you've never met and questioning their effort based off of facial expressions and body language. Really??? Romeo has scored more points, more assists, shoots a better FG percentage from the floor, and had to carry his team. He also averages nearly the same amount of rebounds and he's smaller and playing further away from the basket on D.

What's complicated about that?

 

[TommyCracker]

1st, you can't be sure. 2nd, it's a crazy hypothetical with so many variables to consider. 3rd, it has no bearing on who's had a better season.

Romeo has had a better season and has had to carry his team. IB has been able to slide into a squad that went to the NC game last year.

Your hypothetical is like me stating this: IB would have had a worse year at IU than he's had at UM. Romeo would've had a better year at UM than he's had at IU. How could we know any of that?



He's never looked "bored". That's just lazy on your part. You're judging someone you've never met and questioning their effort based off of facial expressions and body language. Really??? Romeo has scored more points, more assists, shoots a better FG percentage from the floor, and had to carry his team. He also averages nearly the same amount of rebounds and he's smaller and playing further away from the basket on D.

What's complicated about that?

Does Justin Smith bust his ass every play, even though it seems like he's not.

Is it just because he's cool as a cucumber?

Why do so many people bitch about Smith's effort??

This forcing of Romeo into superstardom which he hasn't been is annoying.

My favorite is people bitching that we have no one to space the floor to give him his lanes when....he's the one who is supposed to be spacing the floor and leaving Morgan with space, one on one.

He by far has shot the most 3's on the team.

But it's used as an excuse for him not 'dominating' like he was hyped.

Iggy replaced a guy who led them to the national title game in Wagner and he has been even more dynamic.

Romeo replaced Robert Johnson and has made our perimeter game worse with his shooting.

Romeo has a higher ceiling cause if he can find his stroke, which we need so desperately, it completely changes his game and this team but based an actual performance Iggy's been more important to winning.

Plus is those stats are correct, he's been better overall statistically.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

Does Justin Smith bust his ass every play, even though it seems like he's not.

Is it just because he's cool as a cucumber?

Why do so many people bitch about Smith's effort??

This forcing of Romeo into superstardom which he hasn't been is annoying.

My favorite is people bitching that we have no one to space the floor to give him his lanes when....he's the one who is supposed to be spacing the floor and leaving Morgan with space, one on one.

He by far has shot the most 3's on the team.

But it's used as an excuse for him not 'dominating' like he was hyped.

Iggy replaced a guy who led them to the national title game in Wagner and he has been even more dynamic.

Romeo replaced Robert Johnson and has made our perimeter game worse with his shooting.

Romeo has a higher ceiling cause if he can find his stroke, which we need so desperately, it completely changes his game and this team but based an actual performance Iggy's been more important to winning.

Plus is those stats are correct, he's been better overall statistically.

Huh!?!? Romeo is a lottery pick. He'll go in the top 10 and he's been almost exactly what I thought he'd be, minus the poor 3PT%. Mathews and Poole are the 2 best players on UM. He's the 3rd best player and gets to have lots of open shots and alley-oops due to their stellar play in leading their team. "Iggy" would maybe get drafted at the end of the 2nd round if he went pro. If Poole and Mathews both go pro and he becomes the focal point of their offense as a sophomore, he still won't be as effective a scorer as Romeo has been as a frosh. Finally, what stats are you looking at Tommy?

Mushy posted BS stats. Do your own research before you just make assumptions. Romeo shoots a better overall FG%, a way better 2PT%, scores more points, plays more minutes, averages more assists, more steals and more blocks. He's also the player that other teams game plan to try and stop. He had his nose basically broken and came back the next game. He vomited at halftime and still played nearly the entire 2nd half of another game. Does he need to play with a broken leg to make you and mushy thinks he cares about winning? You don't get that good unless you love the game and work on it all the time.

 

[TommyCracker]

Huh!?!? Romeo is a lottery pick. He'll go in the top 10 and he's been almost exactly what I thought he'd be, minus the poor 3PT%. Mathews and Poole are the 2 best players on UM. He's the 3rd best player and gets to have lots of open shots and alley-oops due to their stellar play in leading their team. "Iggy" would maybe get drafted at the end of the 2nd round if he went pro. If Poole and Mathews both go pro and he becomes the focal point of their offense as a sophomore, he still won't be as effective a scorer as Romeo has been as a frosh. Finally, what stats are you looking at Tommy?

Mushy posted BS stats. Do your own research before you just make assumptions. Romeo shoots a better overall FG%, a way better 2PT%, scores more points, plays more minutes, averages more assists, more steals and more blocks. He's also the player that other teams game plan to try and stop. He had his nose basically broken and came back the next game. He vomited at halftime and still played nearly the entire 2nd half of another game. Does he need to play with a broken leg to make you and mushy thinks he cares about winning? You don't get that good unless you love the game and work on it all the time.

It doesn't matter who's a lottery pick, if it did Romeo would be the conference POY since he's going to be the highest picked dude.

They both are their second best player. Iggy is behind Matthews and Romeo is behind Morgan.

When you look at Mush's stats normalized, they average about the exact same points per minute.

Now factor in the rebounding, the three point shooting, the impact to winning, his better offensive rating and defensive rating and yeah, Iggy's had more of an impact.

If Romeo could shoot then his actual impact goes through the roof and we aren't on the bubble because he would give us something that no one else can.

But he's struggled from the perimeter which makes him an undersized power forward.

I guarantee you if NBA executives think he's going to be a lifetime 25% perimeter shooter he ain't no lottery pick.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

1st, you can't be sure. 2nd, it's a crazy hypothetical with so many variables to consider. 3rd, it has no bearing on who's had a better season.

Romeo has had a better season and has had to carry his team. IB has been able to slide into a squad that went to the NC game last year.

Your hypothetical is like me stating this: IB would have had a worse year at IU than he's had at UM. Romeo would've had a better year at UM than he's had at IU. How could we know any of that?



He's never looked "bored". That's just lazy on your part. You're judging someone you've never met and questioning their effort based off of facial expressions and body language. Really??? Romeo has scored more points, more assists, shoots a better FG percentage from the floor, and had to carry his team. He also averages nearly the same amount of rebounds and he's smaller and playing further away from the basket on D.

What's complicated about that?

It must be complicated for you, because you didn't correctly state the facts.

First, Romeo is listed as 6'6', IB at 6'7"....their listed weights are nearly identical. So that's more bs from you. If IB is 1" taller, that's one more reason why he's the better player.

In BT play, Romeo has shot a higher % on 2 pt attempts, but 10% points less on 3s. His overall shooting % is lower than IBs. His FT % is worse. He gets fewer rebounds in more minutes. RL has 91 rebounds in 628 minutes, IB 100 rebounds in 576 minutes. He gets more assists, but has more TOs. Both his offensive and defensive efficiency are lower than IB's...in the case of defensive #s, a lot less. He averages 2.6 pts/game more in BT play, but plays 4.5M per game. For every 40 minutes played, RL scores 19 pts and has 5.8 rebounds, IB 18.5/6.9.

As far as looking or being bored.......are you saying that RL plays as hard as IB? I really wish that was the case. If so, Dock Itch wouldn't say about Romeo on loose balls that 'he's not going to get down on the floor'. He's right. He won't. Has he said the same thing about Brazeikis? Don't think so. Again, if he did play as consistently hard as IB has, he would have had the better year. Statistically he hasn't, and the intangibles are also all on IB's side.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

Romeo has better stats. The only thing I messed up was that IB does shoot a better overall FG% by .010%. Poole and Mathews are both better than IB and Romeo is the best player on IU.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id[URL='https://indiana.forums.rivals.com/avaya-agent-call://call?to=+4397008']/4397008/romeo-langford[/URL]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id[URL='https://indiana.forums.rivals.com/avaya-agent-call://call?to=+4397205']/4397205/ignas-brazdeikis[/URL]

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Huh!?!? Romeo is a lottery pick. He'll go in the top 10 and he's been almost exactly what I thought he'd be, minus the poor 3PT%. Mathews and Poole are the 2 best players on UM. He's the 3rd best player and gets to have lots of open shots and alley-oops due to their stellar play in leading their team. "Iggy" would maybe get drafted at the end of the 2nd round if he went pro. If Poole and Mathews both go pro and he becomes the focal point of their offense as a sophomore, he still won't be as effective a scorer as Romeo has been as a frosh. Finally, what stats are you looking at Tommy?

Mushy posted BS stats. Do your own research before you just make assumptions. Romeo shoots a better overall FG%, a way better 2PT%, scores more points, plays more minutes, averages more assists, more steals and more blocks. He's also the player that other teams game plan to try and stop. He had his nose basically broken and came back the next game. He vomited at halftime and still played nearly the entire 2nd half of another game. Does he need to play with a broken leg to make you and mushy thinks he cares about winning? You don't get that good unless you love the game and work on it all the time.

More nonsense.

My stats are from the Sports Reference CBB site.. The SR site is probably the best stat site on the internet. They are from conference games only, as I've said a couple of times. You have not listed a single stat, and not specifically questioned a single stat I have listed. If you did look at overall stats, my guess is it would favor IB even more. As an example, RL has hit .307 on 3s in BT play, but only .263 overal for the yearl......that means that he must have shot something like 21-22% for the NC schedule (I haven't looked that up).

LOL at 'he's as good as I thought he'd be, minus the 3 pt shooting'. WTF, 3 point shooting is a pretty important stat from your SHOOTING FORWARD on a team of no shooters.

Compare RL to Lamar Stevens of PSU. They're both 'shooting forwards', but LS gets 7.9 rebounds/game in BT play. He's an animal. If he could shoot 3s at 36%, he'd be a first team AA. But he can't. He's hitting 23% of them in BT play, although it was much higher last year. Likewise, if RL had shot 36% on 3s the whole year, and in BT play, he'd have been 1st team ABT and AA. But he hasn't. So his positive impact is much reduced, and he's more like 3rd team ABT.

 

[fpeaugh]

Yes he will make All Big Ten.

Yes he will be a lottery pick.

It’s funny how the same people who were calling him an IU “legend” last year are now his biggest critics.

 

[ReadHall84]

Romeo's a great kid and hopefully him coming to IU helped open the doors to other top Indiana kids coming to Bloomington. In the long run, that may have been his greatest accomplishment for IU.

 

[MKordIUBB]

I think he makes third team if we don’t make the tournament and second if we do. If buy some insane miracle we win the BIG Ten tourney he makes first team with Morgan. The first is the most likely imo

 

[TR32]

He needs to return for his sophomore season. Mental strength, explosiveness, and confidence appear to be his biggest weaknesses, and hey, that is ok for a kid averaging 17ppg as a freshman, but it isn't ok for a kid who will have Oladipo guarding him at the next level.

I don't understand the fascination with getting to the NBA as soon as possible. Plenty of great NBA players were not one and done. The game of basketball is a team game. Understanding how to play and win at each level is critical to success.

The kid needs to stay in school and develop. It isn't somehow the end of the world to actually go into the draft ready to contribute.

 

[fpeaugh]

He needs to return for his sophomore season. Mental strength, explosiveness, and confidence appear to be his biggest weaknesses, and hey, that is ok for a kid averaging 17ppg as a freshman, but it isn't ok for a kid who will have Oladipo guarding him at the next level.

I don't understand the fascination with getting to the NBA as soon as possible. Plenty of great NBA players were not one and done. The game of basketball is a team game. Understanding how to play and win at each level is critical to success.

The kid needs to stay in school and develop. It isn't somehow the end of the world to actually go into the draft ready to contribute.

It’s very simple. You develop better in the NBA than in college plus you’re earning money. It’s a win-win. Plus you’re one year closer to that big 2nd contract. It’s really a no brainer. He will leave.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He's going to be a top 10 pick. He's at least 3rd team all conference and will be FOTY. He will also make any freshman AA lists. Since somebody brought up Damon Bailey earlier, go back and compare his freshman stats to Romeo's. The kid would be in the NBA right now if there wasn't the stupid 1 and done rule. I feel like some people in this thread have been watching different games than me or something??

Here are Damon Bailey's freshman stats, and RL's, per every 40 minutes played (whole year):

Bailey: 17.5 points/4.5 rebs/4.5 assists/1.8 steals/2.6 TOs, while shooting .538 on 2s, .434 on 3s, .692 on FTs

RL: 19.8 points/6.2 rebs/2.6 assists/.9 steals/2.6 TOs, while shooting .538 on 2s, .263 on 3s, .720 on FTs

Your point?

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

Here are Damon Bailey's freshman stats, and RL's, per every 40 minutes played (whole year):

Bailey: 17.5 points/4.5 rebs/4.5 assists/1.8 steals/2.6 TOs, while shooting .538 on 2s, .434 on 3s, .692 on FTs

RL: 19.8 points/6.2 rebs/2.6 assists/.9 steals/2.6 TOs, while shooting .538 on 2s, .263 on 3s, .720 on FTs

Your point?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damon-bailey-1.html

Damon only averaged 11.4 points per game and only started 14 games as a frosh.

 

[snarlcakes]

Does Justin Smith bust his ass every play, even though it seems like he's not.

Is it just because he's cool as a cucumber?

Why do so many people bitch about Smith's effort??

This forcing of Romeo into superstardom which he hasn't been is annoying.

My favorite is people bitching that we have no one to space the floor to give him his lanes when....he's the one who is supposed to be spacing the floor and leaving Morgan with space, one on one.

He by far has shot the most 3's on the team.

But it's used as an excuse for him not 'dominating' like he was hyped.

Iggy replaced a guy who led them to the national title game in Wagner and he has been even more dynamic.

Romeo replaced Robert Johnson and has made our perimeter game worse with his shooting.

Romeo has a higher ceiling cause if he can find his stroke, which we need so desperately, it completely changes his game and this team but based an actual performance Iggy's been more important to winning.

Plus is those stats are correct, he's been better overall statistically.

If I would have posted prior to the season that Romeo was going to average 17 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and shoot 45% from the field, people would have been ecstatic. No one had any issues with Romeo, until we started losing games and people started looking for scapegoats, for Archie.

Romeo is having one of the best freshmen seasons in IU history. He most likely going to be freshmen of the year, 3rd team all conference, and a lottery pick. He has had a great year.

 

[snarlcakes]

He's never looked "bored". That's just lazy on your part. You're judging someone you've never met and questioning their effort based off of facial expressions and body language. Really??? Romeo has scored more points, more assists, shoots a better FG percentage from the floor, and had to carry his team. He also averages nearly the same amount of rebounds and he's smaller and playing further away from the basket on D.

What's complicated about that?

I don't understand it either. It's amazing how people's perceptions of him changed when we started losing games. Prior to losing: cool in the clutch, under control, praised for not being cocky and etc. After we lose some games: he is aloof, doesn't care, only thinking about the NBA, and etc. There were actually people on this site stating Archie should bench him and build for the future.

He's having one of the greatest freshmen seasons in Indiana basketball history. My advice, enjoy watching him play and quit worrying about his demeanor and lack of chest pounding.

 

[minneman]

It’s very simple. You develop better in the NBA than in college plus you’re earning money. It’s a win-win. Plus you’re one year closer to that big 2nd contract. It’s really a no brainer. He will leave.

Something I actually agree with you on. What's not to understand about making millions of dollars? And why do people seem to think that players stop developing when they get to the NBA?

I would also add that the window in which to play in the NBA is limited and that's even if they aren't often injured or have a career ending injury. I don't know the numbers but I'd guess the majority are there for less than 15 years if they're good enough to not wash out in a few seasons (gone by the time they're in their mid 30s). Players who are good enough and manage to stay healthy enough might play around 20 years (late 30s). So there is a ticking clock and every year spent in college is one less year of their professional playing career.

 

[TR32]

It’s very simple. You develop better in the NBA than in college plus you’re earning money. It’s a win-win. Plus you’re one year closer to that big 2nd contract. It’s really a no brainer. He will leave.

"You develop better in the NBA"

Are we still talking about the highest level of basketball in the world?
You are telling me it is a skill building clinic for kids?

 

[wchew200]

I live in Florida so I did not see him play in high school and quite frankly he has not impressed me as a Hoosier. Just saying. I coached for 25 years in Ohio so I do know something. So please tell me what I am missing?

It shows that you have coached for 25 years. Every person that I know who understands basketball beyond a stat sheet says the same thing. Every one of them including myself. If he weren’t an Indiana high school legend, more people could be objective. But he is, so in some eyes he can do no wrong. It does however help me distinguish who to take serious and who not to on this forum. He has gotten a little better as the season has went on (as he should) but he was underwhelmed for the most part. I say this after I thought he would be the best freshmen At IU in the last 30 years. I was completely sold on him coming out of high school.

 

[TommyCracker]

If I would have posted prior to the season that Romeo was going to average 17 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and shoot 45% from the field, people would have been ecstatic. No one had any issues with Romeo, until we started losing games and people started looking for scapegoats, for Archie.

Romeo is having one of the best freshmen seasons in IU history. He most likely going to be freshmen of the year, 3rd team all conference, and a lottery pick. He has had a great year.

This is what I'm talking about. He's having one of the best freshman season's in history???

C'mon.

Again we are exaggerating his accomplishments and forcing him into this superstardom narrative that he frankly hasn't earned this year.

Again I ask, where are the wins? Where are the clutch plays? Where are the awe inspiring moments?

There has been as many WTF moments than awe inspiring moments.

Zeller came in and impacted winning from his first step in to the court.

Before him Gordon did the same.

Hell even everyone knew AJ Guyton was a player from his first minute, as much as everyone knew that Andrae Patterson and Charlie Miller were not.

Same for Delray Brooks (he was the #3 ranked prospect who couldn't hit from outside of ten feet and ended up transferring to Providence. You knew the minute you saw him scrimmage that the hype was too much).

Isaiah was a superstar his first minute.

Anyway,

I've said it a thousand times, I truly believe his wrist is a bigger issue than is being let on because if Romeo, who was considered the best shooting guard in his class and was compared to guys from Monk to Kobe, could actually SHOOT than bang....yes he's doing legit superstar things scoring inside and out, being nearly unguardable like Eric Gordon was.

He's had a good year. Definitely hasn't busted like Grimes or Shittu and maybe Little, but let's stop thinking that we're witnessing something spectacular, on a team that's barely over .500 right now.

 

[Cutter1973]

12778"]If my aunt had a package, she would be my uncle.[/QUOTE]

i have an Aunt Pam and Uncle Bonnie, but Uncle Bonnie does not have a package.....as far as I know.

 

[channi]

I have been told many times that being a lottery pick is based on potential. If that is true, I suppose that Langford might get drafted as a lottery pick although my eyes have a hard time seeing that potential. Having said that, has there ever been a lottery pick who has not made first team on his all conference team? Do most folks thing that the Hoosiers will have anyone on the first or second all Big Ten team?

Does it matter?

 

[ReadHall84]

This is what I'm talking about. He's having one of the best freshman season's in history???

C'mon.

Again we are exaggerating his accomplishments and forcing him into this superstardom narrative that he frankly hasn't earned this year.

Again I ask, where are the wins? Where are the clutch plays? Where are the awe inspiring moments?

There has been as many WTF moments than awe inspiring moments.

Zeller came in and impacted winning from his first step in to the court.

Before him Gordon did the same.

Hell even everyone knew AJ Guyton was a player from his first minute, as much as everyone knew that Andrae Patterson and Charlie Miller were not.

Same for Delray Brooks (he was the #3 ranked prospect who couldn't hit from outside of ten feet and ended up transferring to Providence. You knew the minute you saw him scrimmage that the hype was too much).

Isaiah was a superstar his first minute.

Anyway,

I've said it a thousand times, I truly believe his wrist is a bigger issue than is being let on because if Romeo, who was considered the best shooting guard in his class and was compared to guys from Monk to Kobe, could actually SHOOT than bang....yes he's doing legit superstar things scoring inside and out, being nearly unguardable like Eric Gordon was.

He's had a good year. Definitely hasn't busted like Grimes or Shittu and maybe Little, but let's stop thinking that we're witnessing something spectacular, on a team that's barely over .500 right now.

THIS! The Delray Brooks comparison comes to mind for me. Romeo's better than Brooks but neither are/were stars.