Who'd running DOGE?
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I have data. You have lazy allusions to your supposed experience. Which is all you ever have.
You’re going need to come stronger old man.
As long as he is completely above board working in the light of day I appreciate what he is doing. Bidens handlers were not working like that.
You're right, many live in MD and VA... Which changes little...
In the last election cycle 69.5% of all donations made by Federal workers went to Democrats..., and those are just the ones who donated... Add another probable 8-10% to that who didn't donate...
The DOD is closer to a 50-50 split but to pretend there's no fat to be trimmed there seems more than a little disingenuous...
I said stronger. Calling people ignorant and talking about all the friends you have in government isn’t an argument. Wrestle with the data. You can’t.
Are these the logical reasoning skills developed when working for the Federal government? If so we should fire all of you into the sun.
No, the majority do not live in the National Capitol Region, which is DC and parts of Maryland and Virginia close to DC. More than 70 percent work elsewhere.
That is only the SES staff per your own link which is the tippy top of every organization. A GS-13 is still at least 3 steps removed from the lowest level SES. Those aren't the people being fired in the purge for the most part.It is true. The civil service is corrupted and it gets even worse the more senior the employee. GS-13 and above is a damn horror show.
Dems far outnumber conservatives in government — here’s what department is the worst
Virtually everyone knows the federal government leans left, but in a new study, I show just how liberal it really is.nypost.com
43 R/ 33 D / 16 I according to this:
Federal workers, both Democrat and Republican, eager to vote this fall
Past behavior shows this population will show up big at the polls. How feds will vote is less clear.www.federaltimes.com
Not according to this:
There’s good reason I said he was supremely ignorant. He doesn’t have a clue what SES is.
Not sure where you read that but the reality is that over 300,000 Federal workers live in "the National Capital Region" the next highest number is out in Cali at around 142,000 (which includes 63,000 Postal workers which isn't who we are talking about here)...
More than half of all Federal Government employees live in "the National Capital Region" after Postal Workers are trimmed from the other state totals...
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From your link:
A counterpoint to this data is a recent survey from FedSmith. In that survey of more than 2,500 responses, 52.8% of those responding preferred Donald Trump. 43.7% voted for Kamala Harris. 3.6% preferred “other” candidates.
Money doesn't mean votes.
Above board? Like claiming he isn't in charge?
You have no evidence that Biden had handlers.
I have a feeling if Dems did something similar, you wouldn't be appreciative. The hypocrisy is repulsive
They don't have protections that GS workers do. If they aren't doing their jobs you let them go. However, I think you have to separate the job from politics if their politics aren't interfering.
We can educate. Trying my darnedest to do that politely.
A less than a 1% sample from Fedsmith is Not what I'd call representative of much of anything aside from a preconceived notion...
I'd be willing to bet that most individuals who do bother to donate to a specific party vote for that parties candidate...
We're not talking corporations just covering their bases here... Those were individual employees...
I googled it and it actually said more than 80 percent lived outside of the NCR. I just said over 70 percent to be safe. There are more than 2 million federal workers.
Edit to add link: https://ourpublicservice.org/fed-fi...n, D.C.,the workforce, with 147,590 employees.
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So we are just gonna move that goal post? So now that we show that Federal employees actually polled higher for Trump than the general public we are going to move the line to, "Well they aren't passionate enough"?
Reality doesn't match the narrative that our propaganda has built up around this. Shouldn't we at least want to build our viewpoints around actual reality?
Closer to 1.5 if you drop the Postal Workers... The largest centralized group of whom (Feds other than Postal Workers) live in NCR...
I'll give you 800,000 dispersed throughout the rest of the US..., with 300,000+ centralized in the NPR...
Your 70%+ is Correct but it appears to me that the bulk of them outside the DOD (wherever they may live) vote Democrat...
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Well I haven't. I don't feel it is worthwhile to donate to any of them. I have however voted in every federal election I could since I was 18. They had the data for how many people actually accounted for those dollars but they didn't share it. Wonder why.
If you have an office of 10 people and 6 vote for candidate A and 4 for candidate B, you would say that on the whole the workforce is supportive of Candidate A's position. But if 1 of the 4 who voted for candidate B has more means or more desire to donate, then any of the other 6 that voted for A, that one person would sway the statistic on donations. As Googly pointed out, that may indicate more passion on that person's part but if all 6 still go vote for Candidate A then who really cares about the passion?
That was the point I was getting at with my question. My vote when I donate nothing atill counts the same as someone max donating to their preferred candidate.
So we've both voted in every election we were eligible to vote in...
Congratulations to us...
The rest (of your post) didn't convince me that these donation percentages don't mean that the individuals making them didn't vote for that party's candidate...
Usually enjoy your posts... Doubt we'll convince one another of anything much in regard to this topic from here on out...
Have a good rest of your evening...
Yay team.
Ok, that wasn't the case I was trying to make though. Of course the people that donated that money are likely voting for the person they donated to. The reason I asked the question of you that I did was to make a point. If you didn't donate but still voted then someone coming to your work and doing the same type of analysis would not have accounted for your political leanings or the likelihood of whom you voted for. One person max donating could really skew those results if only 3 out of 10 employees bothered to donate at all.
Which is why I think that statistic is suspect without them saying how many people accounted for those donations. For instance, your link had the Army donations at $600,000ish total. There are over 900,000 service members in the Army and additionally attendant civilian staff. That is less than a dollar donated per individual. The vast majority of people aren't donating. You can't extrapolate total support from donations. Yeah, the people donating are voting for whom they donate to but I think the vast majority of people who vote, don't donate a dime.
Consider this my last ditch effort to offer a counterpoint to consider.
You too.
President is in charge. Elon works at the President's good pleasure. Evidence for Biden piled up over four yrs.
I’ve donated one way and voted another. Numerous times, really. And the biggest check I’ve ever written was to a Dem.
But I’m kinda weird that way. Some of the donations I’ve made have been about something other than party or ideology.
I’ve never been super active in political donating. But I’ve been giving some thought to trying to drum up support for a couple moderate Dems around here in state rep races.
The state GOP has been hijacked by radicals.
So mark you down thinking president gets to be dictator
Let's see this evidence. Or should I say propaganda?
How is a guy a dictator when he is trying to cut spending and shrink government?
How about consolidating power to the executive branch?
DOGE has absolutely no oversight and if this was a dem-led operation, you and others would be justifiable in crying foul. But since Trump is your dictator, it is perfectly fine.
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Great question VPM. The only thing I can think of is that some believe career bureaucrats are in place to act as a check on the President’s authority. I’ve scanned the Constitution and Federalist papers and I can’t find anything that outlines as much.
And these bureaucrats think they are entitled to never be fired or their jobs phased out
Did you ever say anything when Obama and Biden were doing all their executive orders? Trump is in charge of doge from everything I have seen.
