Where are you getting data that conservatives don’t want University jobs?
Where can Jews
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I didn't say a word about worship.. i'm not quite sure sure how worship factors into any of the discussion. Whatever worship is in your mind
Crab legs? Lattes?
Have you ever spoken to conservatives, they put down academia often and with much zeal. Has there ever been a conservative who has not said, "those that can do, those that can't teach"?
Not just professors, teachers skew liberal. Conservatives choose, and have for a long time, not to enter teaching.
I literally am funding multiple schools that are being started by conservatives.
The idea that education is not of interest ignores the entire history and origination story of how the education system came to be. Harvard, Yale, Cambridge, Oxford, Princeton all founded as seminaries.
Probably also because many conservatives fall under 2 categories
High school dropouts
So wealthy that they don't have to work
There are professions that attract liberals, some that attract conservatives. I recall in high school in a careers type of unit they discussed teaching and journalism just attract liberals more than conservatives. Some are the other way. Below has some nice charts. Insurance agents tend to be conservative, I never had the slightest interest in being an insurance agent. Car salesmen, plastic surgeons, and oil workers all skew conservative.
Liberals get professional poker players.
Right, and Alabama was once a solid Democratic state. The origins don't matter. For a long time now conservatives haven't entered teaching in very large numbers. We know more women now enter teaching than men, by a large margin. I have seen studies reporting that men are more concerned about the lower salary than women. So when men do enter teaching, they tend to jump toward administration as soon as possible. It is not just a US problem, Australia and the UK as well. Below is from a UK MP, but I suspect it works for us too:
Asked about the barriers which were leading to the lack of male teachers, the most popular answers by current and former teachers were:
- Pay and Conditions: 75%
- Lack of prestige/status from society in being a teacher: 60%
- Workload: 53%
- Fear of false allegations/motives: 32%
- Teaching is seen by men as a profession for women: 31%
- Lack of career progression: 14%
MP RESEARCH SHOWS ACTION NEEDED AND WANTED TO INCREASE MALE TEACHER NUMBERS
Research conducted by Nick Fletcher MP (member of the Education Select Committee), with current and former teachers showed that 81% supported the need for more male teachers in schools. Pay, the lack of prestige for the profession and workload were highlighted as key barriers.
We need more male teachers, and that alone would adjust some of the imbalance.
He told a group of people who said the Jews will not replace us , yes
Ignoring origins, for all institutions, ignores fundamental questions of why. It is an entirely un-academic way to approach any discussion of scale.Right, and Alabama was once a solid Democratic state. The origins don't matter. For a long time now conservatives haven't entered teaching in very large numbers. We know more women now enter teaching than men, by a large margin. I have seen studies reporting that men are more concerned about the lower salary than women. So when men do enter teaching, they tend to jump toward administration as soon as possible. It is not just a US problem, Australia and the UK as well. Below is from a UK MP, but I suspect it works for us too:
Asked about the barriers which were leading to the lack of male teachers, the most popular answers by current and former teachers were:
- Pay and Conditions: 75%
- Lack of prestige/status from society in being a teacher: 60%
- Workload: 53%
- Fear of false allegations/motives: 32%
- Teaching is seen by men as a profession for women: 31%
- Lack of career progression: 14%
MP RESEARCH SHOWS ACTION NEEDED AND WANTED TO INCREASE MALE TEACHER NUMBERS
Research conducted by Nick Fletcher MP (member of the Education Select Committee), with current and former teachers showed that 81% supported the need for more male teachers in schools. Pay, the lack of prestige for the profession and workload were highlighted as key barriers.www.nickfletcher.org.uk
We need more male teachers, and that alone would adjust some of the imbalance.
The further the academy moves away from a foundation of truth, the more the madness will play out in society and then upstream in politics.
Tradition is one of the huge gaps between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives value it FAR higher. For me, tradition has a place but it isn't a sacred cow. There was a book on the World Memory Championships called Moonwalking with Einstein that discussed how storytellers rebelled against the written word, it was going to destroy society.
Origins are nice. I grew up poor, it would be stupid for me to quit my job and return to poverty.
I can immediately think of 8 teachers from first grade through senior year of high school that had a significant effect on my life. I can’t even remember the name of one college professor at IU.
The colleges brought this on themselves period
In fairness, American Jews brought this on themselves.
Most colleges foster idea thinking. I think it plays a huge role of importance in shaping minds and providing perspective. I mean if a kid is hearing someone talk about communism and saying "wow that's really cool", he or she was likely already predisposed to liking communism because they fake felt disenfranchised. They should read Trotsky's "The Revolution Betrayed"--a fascinating bio/analysis from Trotsky who comes as close as he possibly can to saying "Yah, we got this shit all wrong".....
I think people have very short memories. College protests have gone on forever: (1) protests at cal berkeley on free speech following McCarthy era restrictions--800 students arrested; (2) Kent State protests on vietnam war; (3) Jackson State College on racial injustice; (3) South Africa anti-apartheid protests in 1985--literally across the country protests that wanted their colleges to cut ties with groups that supported apartheid. Columbia was the center of the movement. They blockaded streets and buildings. These protests across the country looked very familiar to days stuff. Was this Reagan's fault because he happened to be in office? That would be laughable. Point being, we all have short memories.
When you look at these protestors, you can literally smell their faux perceived disenfranchised status. And despite having more access to information, these groups of protestors likely have far more bad information than in previous years--another gift from social media and tarnished "news" reporting.
They aligned themselves with the Progressive movement and failed to realize or accept that as the left moved further left, it was abandoning Jewish causes and priorities (e.g., education)
He always said he's a uniter!Yesterday in Alabama, pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli posters squared off with the usual name calling. Then, together, they broke into a chant of "F*** Joe Biden".
Unity: Pro-Palestine and Pro-Israel Protestors Chant ‘F*ck Joe Biden’ in Unison
Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday.www.mediaite.com
I guess just as liberals are welcome in the oil industry?
mad said it used to be the opposite. So at some point conservatives stopped entering academia and liberals weren't the majority.
I can remember one IU prof: Elmus Wicker, Prof of Econ. Money and Banking E351 (I think). He was very conservative.
Best HS was my Latin teacher was Ann Walker - graduate of Randolph Macom Woman's College and tough as hell. Conservative.
Every teacher I've had who has leaned left, politically, has been easy in terms of student expectations and grades.
Make of that what you will.
did the people change or same people with a different party affiliation?
Because back in the day, dems were in the south and pubs were in the north/northeast.
I don't think the oil industry gives a damn what your political leanings are.
Academia isn't drilling holes and pumping oil.
not surprising. i suspect you smoked them out - no different than you do with the lefty posters here
lol You know, back then, I - and probably most - didn't care about anyone's politics. The most divisive issue back then was the VN war. That determined whether you were liberal or conservative then. Civil rights, too, but everyone - conservative and liberal - agreed on civil rights. What most disagreed with was the welfare system.
But we were also taught by the WWII generation, so I think most teachers were what we would call conservative today.
IU was very liberal in the 60s and 70s. And, honestly, so was I. I didn't really question them because I suppose I agreed with a lot of what they were saying. But what's the saying - If you're not liberal as a youth, and not conservative as an adult, there's something wrong with you?
When I got my first real job and bought my real first house and got married, I started looking more closely at the differences in liberal and conservative.
Yesterday in Alabama, pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli posters squared off with the usual name calling. Then, together, they broke into a chant of "F*** Joe Biden".
Unity: Pro-Palestine and Pro-Israel Protestors Chant ‘F*ck Joe Biden’ in Unison
Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday.
It's amazing how bad someone can be as President when they are uniting these two groups
I would have figured DANC would have been travelling the road with Blue Oyster Cult and posing as Buck Dharma's stand in.....
"we then imported a bunch of Communists during WW2 (they were the enemy of Hitler), and seeded them at Brandeis, Columbia, Berkely, and Yale. And then the Marxist rot spread over the next 60-80 years and here we are".
The problem with a blanket statement like this applied to a thread discussing proported "anti-Semitism" being spread by Marxists, is that a great many Marxists are Jewish. Both Marx and Engels were born into Jewish families, as were many of the Bolsheviks such as Trotsky. The whole history of Revolutionary Russia is rife with examples of the Czar and the Orthodox clergy organizing pogroms against Jews. Fiddler on the Roof, anyone?
The other huge problem with some of the terminology being used is that Semites are not exclusively Jewish. Semite is a 19th Century term and refers to people who spoke semitic languages...
"Semite, name given in the 19th century to a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages spoken primarily in parts of western Asia and Africa. The term therefore came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes."
So trying to apply "semite" exclusively to Jews is a bastardization of what the term "semite" actually means...The more appropriate term to apply to mainly right wing elements in the Israeli Govt and it's supporters is Zionist. But again not all Israelis (much less Jews) are Zionist. Neither Israelis or Jews are monolithic. Many people in Israel (some religious,some not) do not support the occupation of Palestine, the settlements or the current war.
It's an extremely complex issue dating back not only to the creation of Israel in 1948, but back into the history of Western Colonialism. Particularly in this case the British strategy of divide and conquer.
Pitting Muslim and Jew against each other in Palestine is remarkably similar to the strategy employed of pitting Hindu vs Muslim vs each other on the Indian subcontinent. And coincidentally enough it was in the aftermath of WW2 amidst the dissolution of the British Empire and the resulting creation of new nations from former British colonies that the situation we find ourselves in occurred.
Israel is created and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are displaced. India gains independence and Hindus and Muslims slaughter each other resulting in the seperate state of Pakistan. The US sided with Israel and India because the Soviets sided with the Arabs in Palestine (the region) and Pakistan. So in a sense the mess we currently see, esp in the middle east is a legacy of the Cold war.
It's unfortunate that after being removed from office BiBi didn't just fade into obscurity. Not only is he corrupt, but he was so desperate to regain power (and delay prosecution) that he formed coalitions with some of the most Zionist elements and parties in Israeli politics, esp with regards to settlements and displacement of Palestinians. Which in turn increased Hamas' control/support in Gaza.There are also reports that he ignored intelligence briefings regarding increased threats...
It's a seemingly never ending cycle of violence.Elements in Israel want to eradicate Palestinians, and increased repression of Palestinians is essnetially a recuriting campaign for groups like Hamas. Hamas strikes in a horrific attack vs settlers and Israel responds with all out war in a totally disproportionate manner. And Palestinian and Israeli citizens are caught in the middle.
It's complicated and I'm personally conflicted. Both sides share pretty much equal shares of the blame, and both are also victims. That's not going to be a popular opinion with the average American, but the average American thinks of Israel as the "good guys" and everyone else as the villain.
I'm not an expert, but I certainly have a broad enough understanding of the history and issues involved to reject such a simplistic notion. I don't think I'd be demonstrating on either side, it's just too complex an issue.But my sympathies are for the innocents on both sides caught in the middle, and I'm hoping for a ceasefire. Soon...
So long as they are spreading around the jokes, what is the problem with that?
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