When was the last time IU was 4-2 with a chance to bowl???

[turney333]

They were very competitive with OSU, however, and had to face Barrett, something IU did not. And if Maryland suffered a blowout this year, didn't IU lose in almost identical fashion last year? And head to head last year Maryland was clearly superior. As I said, Maryland may be making a mistake here, but they determined the modestly better results to be unacceptable.

Yes, last years OSU-IU game is a better comparison. But I wasn't talking about last year. I was talking about collectively THIS year being Maryland's worst and IU's best start over the last 5 years.

And Edsall has had modestly better results than IU under Wilson, but significantly worse results compared to their previous coach. And, this year Wilson has a chance to have a better year than any Edsall had a Maryland

 

[turney333]

They didn't have a head start on anything. That's simply false however many times you state it. I certainly didn't start with the insults, and you haven't shown where I was wrong. Not once.

Taking over a 9 win team that had been to 4 bowls in 5 years, is one hell of a head start compared to IU.

 

[ezluke]

Taking over a 9 win team that had been to 4 bowls in 5 years, is one hell of a head start compared to IU.

Thank you.

 

[TheSpa]

I'm not quibbling over them I was simply asking why you kept repeating them.

I actually wasn't, though it's clear

So you are saying that IU supported their football team as much as UMd does now and did in the past? Umm okay

IU only started really getting serious about football after the BTN money started coming in. UMd has periodically had a good program for years.

Two national titles, 26 bowl games(at least one in each of the past four decades) 11 conference titles, 4 undefeated seasons, and 12 undefeated conference seasons.

Yeah you're right IU is and has been their equal. Wow

Where did I say IU was their equal? I didn't. When were the national titles won? Conference titles? Undefeated conference seasons? At least one bowl game per decade for the last four decades? Seriously? IU can say that for five decades (and six, if they bowl this year) the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. The simple fact is that much of what you cited was achieved decades ago and isn't relevant to anyone today. It's akin to the argument that Purdue fans make regarding their basketball relevance versus IU. Harping over and over and over again about some mythical head start doesn't make it so.

 

[TheSpa]

Taking over a 9 win team that had been to 4 bowls in 5 years, is one hell of a head start compared to IU.

The excuses never cease to amaze me. IU struggles because Maryland had a head start. Too funny.

 

[ezluke]

I actually wasn't, though it's clear


Where did I say IU was their equal? I didn't. When were the national titles won? Conference titles? Undefeated conference seasons? At least one bowl game per decade for the last four decades? Seriously? IU can say that for five decades (and six, if they bowl this year) the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. The simple fact is that much of what you cited was achieved decades ago and isn't relevant to anyone today. It's akin to the argument that Purdue fans make regarding their basketball relevance versus IU. Harping over and over and over again about some mythical head start doesn't make it so.

Look at their bowl record from this century, how does that compare? They have been to as many bowls in the last 15yrs as IU has....ever. They've also won their conference in the last 15urs

They are and have been ahead of IU. Hopefully IU will catch up soon

 

[ezluke]

The excuses never cease to amaze me. IU struggles because Maryland had a head start. Too funny.

Who has said that IU is struggling because of UMd? Weren't you the one who didn't like having words put into your mouth?

The head start talk was only used to counter your ridiculous notion that IU should have the same expectations for KW who was hired to build a program as UMd has for the coach that was hired to take an already solid program to the next level...which he made worse.

IU is struggling because they neglected the program for decades and are now trying to dig out of the hole.

 

[TheSpa]

Yes, last years OSU-IU game is a better comparison. But I wasn't talking about last year. I was talking about collectively THIS year being Maryland's worst and IU's best start over the last 5 years.

And Edsall has had modestly better results than IU under Wilson, but significantly worse results compared to their previous coach. And, this year Wilson has a chance to have a better year than any Edsall had a Maryland

Maryland was criticized at the time for firing a winner like Friedgen, with good reason. We'll see how the program's compare at year's end. Would think IU would be a heavy favorite to beat them.

 

[TheSpa]

Look at their bowl record from this century, how does that compare? They have been to as many bowls in the last 15yrs as IU has....ever. They've also won their conference in the last 15urs

They are and have been ahead of IU. Hopefully IU will catch up soon

The most successful era of Maryland football was from the mid-40s to the mid-50s, but they had a nice run in a week 70s era ACC. Their mistake was in firing Friedgen, who brought them some recent success. That they're ahead of IU hasn't ever been in question (they dominated IU last year), it's that IU should have aspirations for success at least as high as their's.

 

[TheSpa]

Who has said that IU is struggling because of UMd? Weren't you the one who didn't like having words put into your mouth?

The head start talk was only used to counter your ridiculous notion that IU should have the same expectations for KW who was hired to build a program as UMd has for the coach that was hired to take an already solid program to the next level...which he made worse.

IU is struggling because they neglected the program for decades and are now trying to dig out of the hole.

That IU shouldn't aspire to success at least on a level as Maryland is the only ridiculous assertion in all of this. Should follow IU a little closer than you have.

 

[ezluke]

The most successful era of Maryland football was from the mid-40s to the mid-50s, but they had a nice run in a week 70s era ACC. Their mistake was in firing Friedgen, who brought them some recent success. That they're ahead of IU hasn't ever been in question (they dominated IU last year), it's that IU should have aspirations for success at least as high as their's.

No one has said that IU shouldn't have high aspirations. We've only said that you can't compare the two programs as equals. They are at different stages of development. IU is trying to get the point where they can consistently make a bowl game, UMd is already passed that stage and are trying to become a top 25 program. To say that IU should expect to be a better program than UMd is not realistic

You are only saying they should be equal or better so you can complain that they aren't

 

[ezluke]

That IU shouldn't aspire to success at least on a level as Maryland is the only ridiculous assertion in all of this. Should follow IU a little closer than you have.

You should find someone to teach you about program building, you obviously have no clue how it works. I'm done, you're either too stubborn or to dumb to understand

 

[IU Scott]

Cam beating Wiscy?

If I remember correctly Dinardo beat UW at home in a big 4th quarter come back but I could be wrong on that as well.