What to make of the Durham filing?
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Conspiring with tech companies to try to get access to White House computers in order to spin a narrative is no big deal to you..... that's.... amazing.
Being able to access DNS logs would in no way give one access to White House computers.
OK.... I'll try it again. If you don't think the Clinton campaign paying and working with major IT contractors to try to mine data to create a narrative to link Trump's computers with a Russian bank is a nothingburger...... that's amazing and you know damn well, if the situation were reversed, you'd be howling about Trump trying to destroy US democracy.
A few additions/correction to make your statements even more accurate.
He's not very bright. But when he flies into a rage, hunched over his computer keyboard frothing at the mouth, he's even more nonsensical than usual.
Compromising the WH server was also fraud against the contract terms of service … by collecting fees for substandard work.
I’m confident there is a FAR clause that would make this a felony count … perhaps for each invoice submitted for payment.
(FAR — Federal Acquisitions Regulation)
The Technology Company Indicted can get the Enron / Arthur Anderson death penalty treatment. It has no hope but to cooperate.
I’m confident there is a FAR clause that would make this a felony count … perhaps for each invoice submitted for payment.
(FAR — Federal Acquisitions Regulation)
The Technology Company Indicted can get the Enron / Arthur Anderson death penalty treatment. It has no hope but to cooperate.
You knew what I meant to say - that it was not a nothingburger.
You wrote, "He never got a chance to be president...."
Trump was elected in 2016 and enjoyed Republican control of both the House and Senate through all of 2017 and 2018 (the Dems elected in 2018 didn't take office until 2019).
So, Trump had two years with Republican control of Congress, right?
My point...It was a constant battle with the media coming at him daily over something he didn't do. Between the media, congress, senate and other government organizations he was under constant attack trying to defend himself and EVERYONE acted as if he was guilty of crimes he didn't commit.
Now we are finding out they infiltrated his servers well before was elected AND while he was a sitting president TO TRY AND FRAME HIM. That's f*cked up! Imagine ANYONE getting setup like this. That's the kind of crap you read in best selling crime novels.
Let's think back. Has this (An attempt to frame a running and sitting president) ever been attempted before?
IDK who all is involved. Whether democrat or republican or whatever side of the fence you sit on. This should anger the crap out of you.
Was this done to throw people off of the Hillary email scandal? Why was this done???
Now we are finding out they infiltrated his servers well before was elected AND while he was a sitting president TO TRY AND FRAME HIM. That's f*cked up! Imagine ANYONE getting setup like this. That's the kind of crap you read in best selling crime novels.
Let's think back. Has this (An attempt to frame a running and sitting president) ever been attempted before?
IDK who all is involved. Whether democrat or republican or whatever side of the fence you sit on. This should anger the crap out of you.
Was this done to throw people off of the Hillary email scandal? Why was this done???
So the White House data was collected from Obama. So they weren't "spying" on Trump, but they were "spying" on Obama and Trump.
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“What Trump and some news outlets are saying is wrong,” said Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, both lawyers for Mr. Dagon. “The cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”
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A military research organization had asked Georgia Tech researchers to help scrutinize a 2015 Russian malware attack on the White House’s network. After it emerged that Russia had hacked Democrats, they began hunting for signs of other Russian activity targeting people or organizations related to the election, using data provided by Neustar.
This seems reasonable/plausible, but it won’t stop the MAGA crowd spiking whatever football they think they’re playing with.
Actual indictments of Trump cronies and failed election fraud lawsuits didn’t do that either. Nothing will.
Similar to the idea that Trump “never got a chance to be president” this will irreversibly shape the MAGA groupthink even if turns out to proven 100% untrue.
Your link would not open for me unless I subsrcibe BUT this one did. It is from September 30th which is where I think they are grabbing alot of the information.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/us/politics/trump-alfa-bank-indictment.html
However, I read a new Fox article this morning that went into detail and this appeared.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/du...e-people-cooperating-coming-before-grand-jury
"For example, the more complete data that Tech Executive-1 and his associates gathered--but did not provide to Agency 2--reflected that between approximately 2014 and 2017, there were a total of more than 3 million lookups of Russian Phone-Prover 1 IP addresses that originated with U.S.-based IP addresses," Durham wrote. "Fewer than 1,000 of these lookups originated with IP addresses affiliated with Trump Tower."
Durham added that data collected by Tech Executive-1 also found that lookups began as early as 2014, during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office, which he said, is "another fact which the allegations omitted."
"In his meeting with Agency-2 employees, the defendant also made a substantially similar false statement as he made to the FBI General Counsel," Durham wrote. "In particular, the defendant asserted that he was not representing a particular client in conveying the above allegations."
"In truth and in fact, the defendant was representing Tech Executive-1--a fact the defendant subsequently acknowledged under oath in December 2017 testimony before Congress, without identifying the client by name," Durham wrote.
I am not going to opine on this much other than to say that I believe nothing that comes out of the national media anymore that is attached to domestic politics.
I also believe that Hillary Clinton could rob a bank in broad daylight and there would be some "but akshwally" she was just withdrawing her own funds and mistakenly asked for everything else the bank had story in the NYT the next day and nothing would ever happen to her.
Yeah, Democracy is in trouble, but it isn't because of Trump or January 6.
I also believe that Hillary Clinton could rob a bank in broad daylight and there would be some "but akshwally" she was just withdrawing her own funds and mistakenly asked for everything else the bank had story in the NYT the next day and nothing would ever happen to her.
Yeah, Democracy is in trouble, but it isn't because of Trump or January 6.
Why. don't you quit your f*cking charade about "Trump people" and add to the discussion. This whole thing is a freaking nightmare and I hope we get to the truth. I really don't care if it is about Trump or whomever. If Trump was guilty, then let him answer for his crimes. If someone else like Hillary set this whole thing up then she needs to answer and we should try and prevent this from ever happening again. Seems to me they were trying to frame Trump. Let Durham do his job though and if you find something worthy add it to the discussion. Geez!
Sounds like the new norm yes? Jeeezuz my poor kids. Imagine 30 years from now my God!
Sadly, few will read that article, and many that do will immediately be all "NYT LOL".
The narrative has been set and the buzzwords have been deployed. People will believe what they will, truth notwithstanding.
NYT is totally worthless. No different than the Twitter links Dmb publishes. Just follow the court filings.
I don't understand it well enough to have a "take". What I do know, based on my basic knowledge of networking, is that what is being characterized as some sort of nefarious ninja "hack" is nothing of the sort, and the various disparate dots that are being connected could be connected in different, less convoluted ways which would lead to different conclusions than what Fox and others are breathlessly reporting.
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So it wasn't dems spying on Trump. It was Russians spying on Dems (likely for Trump)
hmm. are the resident conservatives still outraged or just going to move on to their next conspiracy?
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The NYT is a coloring book at this point. If the parties were reversed this would be the top story in America. Alas, who cares. We don't really need the Times or any other biased link. Just about everything we ever need we can go straight to the source. BLM and unarmed cop shootings. Go to the DOJ. Look at the data yourself. Here we have actual court filings. "...enlisted a university to mine internet data to establish an inference and narrative tying Trump to Russia." That's all I need. I have no idea whether Hillary directed any of this or was even aware of any of this stuff. Frankly, I don't care. I presuppose all of them to be dirty, just in degrees. Like a bartender skimming. Are you losing money overall or is he such a good bartender that the bar is hopping and you can deal with the skimming.
Jan 6 bs. Tying Trump to Russia through hacking. It's all bs for people with the luxury to care about this stuff. Get the price of gas, food, and rent down and keep us from getting carjacked. That's all 99% of us care about.
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Don't worry, Fox will likely go silent now that it was proven to be a load of shit.
Why not wait on the final verdict, court filings can easily be wrong too.
But here is a line from the Wiki:
Durham alleged Sussmann's data showed a Russian phone provider connection involving the Executive Office of the President "during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office."
So if they were spying on Trump, why did they have data from Obama from "years before Trump took office".DARPA hired Ga Tech to look into Russian attacks against the government. We know that. All this data was already being collected. We know that because that is how Sussmann's claims were so easily refuted, Yotaphones were being used at the White House long before Trump. Hmmm, doesn't really sound like an anti-Trump conspiracy.
"...enlisted a university to mine internet data to establish an inference and narrative tying Trump to Russia." The intent specific to Trump is what's salient to me. As for your admonition for me to wait as court filings can be wrong too - well-taken. Agreed
I would agree with that. I have a couple servers and they get all kinds of hits from bots galore. Connecting the dots is what Durham seems to be doing, but until the next indictment or indictments we'll just have to wait. This comment is interesting though. I wonder how close they are and who it is...
Meanwhile, this week, sources told Fox News that former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe met with Durham on multiple occasions and told him there was evidence in intelligence to support the indictments of "multiple people" in his investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.
