What to make of the Durham filing?

[CO. Hoosier]

"Questioning election results has never bothered you when Democrats do it - and they've done it a lot. Hilary still thinks she's won. Stacey Abrams still thinks she's governor of Georgia. Democrat Senators have voted not to accept electors. Where's your outrage and condemnation of them? You only reserve outrage for Trump.

Trump supporters don't believe the election was due to massive voter fraud because he says so. There was plenty of evidence on election night to raise suspicion without Trump ever uttering a word."

Questioning an election in which you win the popular vote by close to 3 Million, or questioning the fairness of a highly contested Governor's race because your opponent purged thousands of people off the voters roll in his capacity as Sec of State a year or two prior, is a far cry from whining about a stolen election for over a year, launching personal vendettas against fellow members of your party who recognize a legitimate election/winner, and openly trying to subvert the election process and delay official proceedings by encouraging a mob of accomplices to invade the Capitol.

Pretty sure Clinton conceded with in a day or two of the election, attended the Inauguration, and basically behaved in accordance with established protocol. The only people who found anything suspicious in events of election night are ignorant conspiracy theorists who willingly believed unconfirmed nonsense posted by idiots.

Anyone who followed the lead up to the election knew that Trump had deliberately sabotaged the counting process in key states to formulate doubt among gullible idiots. You have to be really stupid to accept on face value ridiculous claims that people trucked in boxes of Chinese printed ballots, or that in many cases the same election officials who counted votes in 2016 and declared Trump the winner suddenly became corrupt and forgot how to count.

And I still want one of these geniuses to explain to me how idiots in AZ and GA (Gosar and Hice, for example) managed to get enough votes on illegal ballots to win while Trump, on the same ballots lost. The only thing stupider than Republicans who won in 2020 claiming the election was stolen are people gullible enough to not recognize the gaslighting inherent in such a ridiculous claim...

What exactly is the problem with Trump questioning the election results? The “gullible idiot” argument doesn’t do it for me. No culture ever prospered on restricting any kind of expression. You remind me of the Democrat argument that Blacks are too dumb to get an ID. You guys always assume those beneath you are idiots. You really don’t hold elite status, or the moral high ground, that you think you do.

 

[Indianaftw]

"Questioning election results has never bothered you when Democrats do it - and they've done it a lot. Hilary still thinks she's won. Stacey Abrams still thinks she's governor of Georgia. Democrat Senators have voted not to accept electors. Where's your outrage and condemnation of them? You only reserve outrage for Trump.

Trump supporters don't believe the election was due to massive voter fraud because he says so. There was plenty of evidence on election night to raise suspicion without Trump ever uttering a word."

Questioning an election in which you win the popular vote by close to 3 Million, or questioning the fairness of a highly contested Governor's race because your opponent purged thousands of people off the voters roll in his capacity as Sec of State a year or two prior, is a far cry from whining about a stolen election for over a year, launching personal vendettas against fellow members of your party who recognize a legitimate election/winner, and openly trying to subvert the election process and delay official proceedings by encouraging a mob of accomplices to invade the Capitol.

Pretty sure Clinton conceded with in a day or two of the election, attended the Inauguration, and basically behaved in accordance with established protocol. The only people who found anything suspicious in events of election night are ignorant conspiracy theorists who willingly believed unconfirmed nonsense posted by idiots.

Anyone who followed the lead up to the election knew that Trump had deliberately sabotaged the counting process in key states to formulate doubt among gullible idiots. You have to be really stupid to accept on face value ridiculous claims that people trucked in boxes of Chinese printed ballots, or that in many cases the same election officials who counted votes in 2016 and declared Trump the winner suddenly became corrupt and forgot how to count.

And I still want one of these geniuses to explain to me how idiots in AZ and GA (Gosar and Hice, for example) managed to get enough votes on illegal ballots to win while Trump, on the same ballots lost. The only thing stupider than Republicans who won in 2020 claiming the election was stolen are people gullible enough to not recognize the gaslighting inherent in such a ridiculous claim...

I took one phrase from your entire post that NOW means something

conspiracy theorists

Now that things keep unwinding dont you find it odd that, wuhan, the dossier, russia, spying, fisa etc.etc. have become truth, who's the conspiracy theorists? Lies lies and more lies

I dont know how deep this will go but I imagine every single asshole that came after Trump and spewed crap about him is guilty in one way or another. The venom of garbage from the day he steppped foot in office has been pure bullsh!t. Hopefully some arrests are made otherwise the democracy that's at stake that you all have been making a big deal out of is f#cked as we know it.

 

[cosmickid]

I don't want to comment on the filing without reading it, but the Fox report doesn't really say much of anything about Clinton or Trump. It doesn't confirm that Trump was linked to a Russian bank, and it doesn't actually accuse anyone of hacking Trump. All it does is claim that the guy who is already indicted looked at DNS lookup data - or, rather, asked someone else to look at it for him - and that might be pretty solid evidence that his indictment for lying has solid grounding, but that's it.

Ask someone who understands networking (@UncleMark), and they will tell you that this hacking narrative is baloney. As is the leftist narrative floating around that the filing somehow confirms the Trump Tower-Alfa Bank connection. All it does is add to the evidence that Sussman was working on behalf of HRC (again, based on the Fox report).

An interesting Dec 2021 read from the NYT regarding the Sussmann indictment, and conflicting evidence regarding the claim that he lied. Seems to revolve around how Baker recalled his conversation with Sussmann (no witnesses), and how the agent who debriefed Baker interpreted what Baker said. Adding to the confusion, Durham's interpretation of the agent's shorthand, and what is admissible in court. The meeting between Baker and Sussmann occurred in Sept 2016, and at the time Clinton had a consistent lead in the polls. So I'm not sure why they would feel any need to push a false narrative, esp since none of the proceedings were public? How do you attempt to influence an election if you don't include the voters?

More Evidence Muddles Durham’s Case on Lawyer’s Meeting With F.B.I. (Published 2021)

One disclosure dovetails with the special counsel John Durham’s indictment against Michael Sussmann, while several others clash with it.

www.nytimes.com

 

[cosmickid]

What exactly is the problem with Trump questioning the election results? The “gullible idiot” argument doesn’t do it for me. No culture ever prospered on restricting any kind of expression. You remind me of the Democrat argument that Blacks are too dumb to get an ID. You guys always assume those beneath you are idiots. You really don’t hold elite status, or the moral high ground, that you think you do.

You kind of ignored the reason I posted in the first place, to refute his claim that Democrats questioned the results in past elections in the same manner Trump did. IMO, there is a difference between "questioning" election results (up until a SCOTUS ruling as in Gore/Bush) and this 15 month temper tantrum that Trump has engaged in. On Jan 6 2001, when two or three rogue Dems attempted to object to the certification, Gore (the losing Presidential candidate) ruled them out of order.



Now I don't remember Gore traipsing around the country inciting mobs, claiming he was "cheated", and threatening fellow Democrats if they failed to proclaim "Gore won". And that was an election where he actually won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote in a court decision by FIVE votes.

By contrast, Trump lost the popular vote by over 7 Million votes, failed to switch a single state he lost in 2016, and lost additional states in the process. And that's the election some Republicans want to claim was fraudulent? Being popular with a deluded minority, does not correlate to being popular or well liked. Seems to me it's the Trumpers that are showing contempt for the majority of us that voted against the guy...

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You kind of ignored the reason I posted in the first place, to refute his claim that Democrats questioned the results in past elections in the same manner Trump did. IMO, there is a difference between "questioning" election results (up until a SCOTUS ruling as in Gore/Bush) and this 15 month temper tantrum that Trump has engaged in. On Jan 6 2001, when two or three rogue Dems attempted to object to the certification, Gore (the losing Presidential candidate) ruled them out of order.

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Now I don't remember Gore traipsing around the country inciting mobs, claiming he was "cheated", and threatening fellow Democrats if they failed to proclaim "Gore won". And that was an election where he actually won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote in a court decision by FIVE votes.

By contrast, Trump lost the popular vote by over 7 Million votes, failed to switch a single state he lost in 2016, and lost additional states in the process. And that's the election some Republicans want to claim was fraudulent? Being popular with a deluded minority, does not correlate to being popular or well liked. Seems to me it's the Trumpers that are showing contempt for the majority of us that voted against the guy...

You are begging the question. What is wrong with a Trump “temper tantrum”?

 

[IUINSB]

You are begging the question. What is wrong with a Trump “temper tantrum”?

Well other than being based on a lie that is helping to divide the country, nothing.

 

[bailey777]

Well other than being based on a lie that is helping to divide the country, nothing.

Yeah 4 years of a russian collusion witch hunt certainly brought the country together no question about it. As mentioned this stuff is totally ok when dems to it but if repubs do it democracy is at stake!!!! I would say your boy Biden is doing a terrific job deviding the country so props to him.

 

[bailey777]

@Maximus_4EVR 🌵
👨🏽‍🏫 FWIW Durham investigations are going to lead to 10 indictments.

Watch the DC prison get filled up with top Dem officials.

This guy is usually spot on but I have a hard time believing this the deep state protects its own.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Well other than being based on a lie that is helping to divide the country, nothing.

Lots if things are “ helping” divide the country. Kim Jong-un says hello if you want to stop speach that divides the country.

For you, unity is obedience.

 

[IUINSB]

Yeah 4 years of a russian collusion witch hunt certainly brought the country together no question about it. As mentioned this stuff is totally ok when dems to it but if repubs do it democracy is at stake!!!! I would say your boy Biden is doing a terrific job deviding the country so props to him.

Uhm, COH asked a specific question to which I gave AN answer.

Had he asked about something Dems did I would have answered that they are as dumb or dumber than Repubs.

If the Durham investigation leads to convictions, I hope all those involved serve lengthy jail sentences.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

An interesting Dec 2021 read from the NYT regarding the Sussmann indictment, and conflicting evidence regarding the claim that he lied. Seems to revolve around how Baker recalled his conversation with Sussmann (no witnesses), and how the agent who debriefed Baker interpreted what Baker said. Adding to the confusion, Durham's interpretation of the agent's shorthand, and what is admissible in court. The meeting between Baker and Sussmann occurred in Sept 2016, and at the time Clinton had a consistent lead in the polls. So I'm not sure why they would feel any need to push a false narrative, esp since none of the proceedings were public? How do you attempt to influence an election if you don't include the voters?

More Evidence Muddles Durham’s Case on Lawyer’s Meeting With F.B.I. (Published 2021)

One disclosure dovetails with the special counsel John Durham’s indictment against Michael Sussmann, while several others clash with it.

www.nytimes.com

The purpose of the NYT is to provide cover for the Democrats.

NYT deletes claim that Hunter Biden laptop story was 'unsubstantiated'

The New York Times on Monday quietly deleted a claim that an October, 2020 New York Post story regarding files contained on a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden was 'unsubstantiated.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I've criticized him plenty. He's got faults like everyone else.

Really?

The difference is, I judge the whole person and how they benefit the country.

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Questioning election results has never bothered you when Democrats do it - and they've done it a lot. Hilary still thinks she's won. Stacey Abrams still thinks she's governor of Georgia. Democrat Senators have voted not to accept electors. Where's your outrage and condemnation of them? You only reserve outrage for Trump.

This is the one part of this mess that is true. In fact you forgot that Gore and team still believe he won in 2000.

Trump supporters don't believe the election was due to massive voter fraud because he says so.

Well, trump and pillow guy

There was plenty of evidence on election night to raise suspicion without Trump ever uttering a word.

Really? Link? Trump started the BS well before election day. You sheep were already convinced before the polls opened.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Just need to twist the dials in the right direction and at the right time. Bingo! Your guy wins!

There is an app coming out for 2024 that makes all this more simple.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Uhm, COH asked a specific question to which I gave AN answer.

Had he asked about something Dems did I would have answered that they are as dumb or dumber than Rebubs.

If the Durham investigation leads to convictions, I hope all those involved serve lengthy jail sentences.

Huh? You advocate prison sentences for divisive speech? Joe Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Fidel Castro, and Mao all say hello.

 

[Indianaftw]

You kind of ignored the reason I posted in the first place, to refute his claim that Democrats questioned the results in past elections in the same manner Trump did. IMO, there is a difference between "questioning" election results (up until a SCOTUS ruling as in Gore/Bush) and this 15 month temper tantrum that Trump has engaged in. On Jan 6 2001, when two or three rogue Dems attempted to object to the certification, Gore (the losing Presidential candidate) ruled them out of order.

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Now I don't remember Gore traipsing around the country inciting mobs, claiming he was "cheated", and threatening fellow Democrats if they failed to proclaim "Gore won". And that was an election where he actually won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote in a court decision by FIVE votes.

By contrast, Trump lost the popular vote by over 7 Million votes, failed to switch a single state he lost in 2016, and lost additional states in the process. And that's the election some Republicans want to claim was fraudulent? Being popular with a deluded minority, does not correlate to being popular or well liked. Seems to me it's the Trumpers that are showing contempt for the majority of us that voted against the guy...

Your argument has no merit. Gore wasn't framed for things he didn't do. He was never spied on by anyone. He never had to defend himself for 4 straight years while they kept digging up more sh!t after more sh!t. I'll try to get you a tally in the next day or two of HOW MANY TIMES a newspaper, liberal politician, judge, mayor, fbi, cia, or doj said we have him now over the course of the past 5 years. It was all fabricated horsesh!t by a corrupt as hell left media, politicians, fbi, cia, and doj. AND you have the gall to wonder why we all doubt? Thats laughable! Are you kidding me? If your not scratching your head at this point your lost man. Hell yes we think something was wrong.

 

[IUINSB]

Lots if things are “ helping” divide the country. Kim Jong-un says hello if you want to stop speach that divides the country.

For you, unity is obedience.

You are full of poo-poo.
Where in that post did I say Trump doesn't have the right to lie his ass off?
Damn near every politician lies
Yes, there are lots of thing dividing the country. Neither Trump or Biden are healers.

Huh? You advocate prison sentences for divisive speech? Joe Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Fidel Castro, and Mao all say hello.

No I did not. You are confusing two different sentences. I advocated prison for those found guilty in the Durham investigation.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

This is going well beyond Trump. It started with a Hillary campaign operation but, if Durham is correct, grew into a massive political operation to favor Democrats in general. The Latham law firm is a highly connected big firm that employs many former Democratic administration lawyers on a revolving door basis.

The keyword here being "if"

Of course, if this scandal ends up being true, then it would just be comparable to another Tuesday for Trump's list of scandals.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

You are full of shit.
Where in that post did I say Trump doesn't have the right to lie his ass off?
Damn near every politician lies
Yes, there are lots of thing dividing the country. Neither Trump or Biden are healers.



No I did not. You are confusing two different sentences. I advocated prison for those found guilty in the Durham investigation.

Okay. Thanks.

I still don’t understand the problem with divisive speech and what you would do about it.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The keyword here being "if"

Of course, if this scandal ends up being true, it just be comparable to another Tuesday for Trump's list of scandals.

Yeah. Paying off porn stars is way up there in terms of destroying the political system.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dn...telligence-indictments-fbi-trump-russia-probe

I think you better rethink who is an horrible criminal here which is something most people with good sense already knew. I'm mean this when I say it. I'm sorry the msm took you along for the ride. You did not know any better and I don't blame you for that. You can pop your lol emoji in it doesn't matter. Most of you got duped at no fault of your own.

lol ok conservative dupe.

Look in the mirror if you want to see a brainwashed idiot.

At least i didn't vote for Putin's little pet.

 

[IUINSB]

Okay. Thanks.

I still don’t understand the problem with divisive speech and what you would do about it.

Edited prior post.

 

[Indianaftw]

lol ok conservative dupe.

Look in the mirror if you want to see a brainwashed idiot.

At least i didn't vote for Putin's little pet.

u b lost son...Run along...Stay tuned to Durham, I know the truth is killin ya man.

 

[DANC]

Really?

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This is the one part of this mess that is true. In fact you forgot that Gore and team still believe he won in 2000.

Well, trump and pillow guy

Really? Link? Trump started the BS well before election day. You sheep were already convinced before the polls opened.

Stick you link up your ass.

 

[Zeester]

The keyword here being "if"

Of course, if this scandal ends up being true, then it would just be comparable to another Tuesday for Trump's list of scandals.

Like what? What is comparable to this?

 

[DANC]

Like what? What is comparable to this?

When pressed, Hickory and his fellow sycophants can never come up with any scandals that aren't reported every other day about other politicians.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Like what? What is comparable to this?

colluding with russia, ****ing prostitutes' and paying them to be quiet, bullying an underage girl on twitter, inciting an insurrection, lying about voter fraud, saluting a north korean general, saying putin is more trustworthy than our intelligence agencies, skipping the inauguration because of being a poor cry baby loser, trying to coverup the start of the pandemic because it might hurt chances of re-election, lying about the severity of the pandemic (gone by easter baby), flushing/tearing up documents in the WH, taking classified info to mar-a-lago...

really want to go on?

 

[DANC]

colluding with russia, ****ing prostitutes' and paying them to be quiet, bullying an underage girl on twitter, inciting an insurrection, lying about voter fraud, saluting a north korean general, saying putin is more trustworthy than our intelligence agencies, skipping the inauguration because of being a poor cry baby loser, trying to coverup the start of the pandemic because it might hurt chances of re-election, lying about the severity of the pandemic (gone by easter baby), flushing/tearing up documents in the WH, taking classified info to mar-a-lago...

really want to go on?

You do a great job of regurgitating Democrat talking points, which are either lies or not scandals.

 

[Indianaftw]

Hickory's ammo is like a paperwad on a super windy day. Its just blows down the street and nobody cares.

 

[stollcpa]

The criminal Sullivan is still in the Biden administration.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

The criminal Sullivan is still in the Biden administration.

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Will Gym Jordan ever admit to what he knew was going on when he was Ohio State?

 

[mrhighlife]

The criminal Sullivan is still in the Biden administration.

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But was it a lie? Or illegally obtained? Do we know they were acting on the behalf of Clinton? Can that even be proved if its denied?

This is all really complicated. Guessing no one here fully understands it.

 

[UncleMark]

But was it a lie? Or illegally obtained? Do we know they were acting on the behalf of Clinton? Can that even be proved if its denied?

This is all really complicated. Guessing no one here fully understands it.

I don't claim to understand it well, but what I have been able to grasp makes me think it's not that big a deal.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Will Gym Jordan ever admit to what he knew was going on when he was Ohio State?

Not to hijack a thread but that OSU deal is so bizarre

 

[Lucy01]

I don't claim to understand it well, but what I have been able to grasp makes me think it's not that big a deal.

Your post pisses me off, it’s your typical response.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Stick you link up your ass.

Just as I suspected. Sorry to make the front of your pants turn yellow,

 

[Lucy01]

What I want to know, Where is Mitch McConnell?

 

[UncleMark]

No one has addressed the question I posed several pages back-- why in the world is the Executive Office contracting out DNS services to a private third party? It's not high tech. The Feds should be doing this themselves.

 

[stollcpa]

I don't claim to understand it well, but what I have been able to grasp makes me think it's not that big a deal.

Of course it’s no big deal. It’s a crooked democrat.

 

[stollcpa]

Will Gym Jordan ever admit to what he knew was going on when he was Ohio State?

I don’t know. Has he got an indictment filed against him?

 

[UncleMark]

Of course it’s no big deal. It’s a crooked democrat.

Even if what they're claiming is true, DNS lookups are kind of meh. All they are are logs of the sites/pages you visited, nothing more.