WHAT??? Is this correct??? Morgan 3rd team B1G???? You have to be...

[TommyCracker]

Did the voters not listen to you when you told everyone we’d be better off without Romeo? Color me shocked!

Do you find it interesting that even with Romeo hitting a bit of a wall lately we've played our best ball of the season.

I'm hoping like hell this lottery pick, better than Gordon hype that you've told me about comes out because that would make your worst nightmare come true.

Morgan is playing amazing, as is Rob and Devonte. Smith is playing his best. Deron is 13-6 in games that he gives us 15 minutes.

If Romeo could just hit some clutch shots and foul people out like he should and get to the line 8 times...that would scare you.

He hasn't done it yet though so you still have hope that we won't make it. I can't see Green playing as well as he has for much longer.

Oh Vandy went 0-18 even though you said they were kicking our ass in recruiting last year with their two OAD's. That's gotta be one of the worst seasons in it's history. Nice call on your part.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Laughable.

 

[choptalk]

I think I would have had Morgan higher than Romeo. Really like his game. Of all the players on IU he's the one I most wished played for Purdue. And it's hard to dislike the kid. Plays hard with class. Glad to see him leaving. Lol.

 

[snarlcakes]

Do you find it interesting that even with Romeo hitting a bit of a wall lately we've played our best ball of the season.

I'm hoping like hell this lottery pick, better than Gordon hype that you've told me about comes out because that would make your worst nightmare come true.

Morgan is playing amazing, as is Rob and Devonte. Smith is playing his best. Deron is 13-6 in games that he gives us 15 minutes.

If Romeo could just hit some clutch shots and foul people out like he should and get to the line 8 times...that would scare you.

He hasn't done it yet though so you still have hope that we won't make it. I can't see Green playing as well as he has for much longer.

Oh Vandy went 0-18 even though you said they were kicking our ass in recruiting last year with their two OAD's. That's gotta be one of the worst seasons in it's history. Nice call on your part.

Romeo has played fine during the winning streak. He played poorly in the MSU game. The other 3 games he averaged 17 pts and 6 reb.

In the Wisconsin game he was the best player on the court and took over the game in the overtimes. He scored 9 of the 13 points, including the game winner. You can argue it might be our most significant win of the season, if we make the tourney. It stopped our 5 game losing steak and gave them confidence going into the MSU game.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

kidding me!!!!!! I know we were down during the year.... but I feel Morgan still played solid.

Anyone else agree or disagree???

Post your thoughts.

"Solid" is third team all big 10, no?

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

I would have made Morgan 2nd team and Romeo 3rd team. IMO Morgan was by far our best all around player and played with great effort, while at times being forced to play against the other teams biggest player.
And having two guys on all B1G is very generous for a team well below .500 in conference.

I think for the coaches, they spend game prep time talking about stopping Romeo. For Morgan I think it's just let him get his 10pt/7reb.....

I like Morgan and 3rd team seems about right.

 

[fpeaugh]

Do you find it interesting that even with Romeo hitting a bit of a wall lately we've played our best ball of the season.

I'm hoping like hell this lottery pick, better than Gordon hype that you've told me about comes out because that would make your worst nightmare come true.

Morgan is playing amazing, as is Rob and Devonte. Smith is playing his best. Deron is 13-6 in games that he gives us 15 minutes.

If Romeo could just hit some clutch shots and foul people out like he should and get to the line 8 times...that would scare you.

He hasn't done it yet though so you still have hope that we won't make it. I can't see Green playing as well as he has for much longer.

Oh Vandy went 0-18 even though you said they were kicking our ass in recruiting last year with their two OAD's. That's gotta be one of the worst seasons in it's history. Nice call on your part.

Your bias is overwhelming. He was just voted 2nd team All Big Ten. Meaning he’s a top 10 player in the league. Get a clue.

 

[Rakkasan29]

Your bias is overwhelming. He was just voted 2nd team All Big Ten. Meaning he’s a top 10 player in the league. Get a clue.

You are, without a doubt, the least self-aware poster in the history of this board. For you to tell anyone on here to "get a clue" after your blathering nonsensical postings is effing hilarious.

You are a coward, and you know it.

Start owing it or STFU.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Coaches constantly talk about freshmen hitting a wall and etc. Considering, Romeo, averaged more minutes than almost anyone in the league, I'm going say he wore down some. I agree that defenses adjusted and it was part of the reason, as well.

In another thread you made the argument that Phin is going to be as good or better than Yogi. Phin currently has no floater, mid-range game, struggles to score, shoots poorly, and is averaging 7 pts on 36% shooting, but you expect him to score15+ points, next year. That's a huge jump. However, in this thread you doubt whether Romeo, who is averaging 17 points and shooting 45%, couldn't improve enough to be POY contender? If Romeo stayed and averaged 20 pts a game and improved his shooting to 50% he would be in the conversation. I don't understand the logic.

You literally watched a dude play one game, against another mid-major, and decided he was a better player than Romeo. Really? It's silly to make that claim and you know it.

Concerning RP, I did not say I expected RP to score 15+ points per game next year. I never said I expected him to score any particular # next year. What I said is that 'You're probably right RP will not score 17 ppg (as YF did as a soph), but that he would probably shoot a higher GG%, get more rebounds, have as many or more assists, and play better defense' than did YF as a soph. I also said I dod not expect RP to match YF as a pure shooter, and specifically, that he would probably not match YF's career 40%(3s)/83%(FTs) shooting %s., but that he would make up for it in other respects.

As to RL and the Wofford player, as I mentioned I knew nothing about him prior to watching the other night. I said I thought he was a better college player than RL from watching that game. You said that was silly. So I looked up both player's #s for this year:

RL:
34M/game
.452 overall FG %
.532 on 2s only
.275 on 3s only
.722 on FTs
5.4 rebs/game
2.3 assists/game
2.1 TOs/game
16.7 ppg
eFG% 49.5%
PER--20.3
WSs--4.1
ORtg 109.9
DRtg 100.5

Fletcher Magee.....6-4 2 guard, best player on #20 ranked 29-4 Wofford
31.2M/game
.444 overall FG%
.488 on 2s only
.428 on 3s only
.907 on FTs
2.6 rebs/game
1.6 assists/game
1.4 TOs/game
20.5 ppg
eFG% 60.1%
PER--25.6
WSs--6.4
OTtg 130.4
DRtg 101.1

Other: Career ppg 18.8....career 3s %--.438...151 3s made this yr (Romeo: 33 3s made this year).....502 career 3s is second on all time list----leader has 504.

I would also say that this guy is more of the fiery, inspirational type v. being a "cool as a cucumber" type. I prefer the former type, as long as they back it up with their play. If you had seen the guy play I think you would have thought, as I did, that that bastard knows how to play and is going to bring it.

So, I would say that my silly impression/conclusion is backed with a lot of statistical evidence. Others can reach different conclusions but I'm pretty confident about what I saw.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Do you find it interesting that even with Romeo hitting a bit of a wall lately we've played our best ball of the season.

I'm hoping like hell this lottery pick, better than Gordon hype that you've told me about comes out because that would make your worst nightmare come true.

Morgan is playing amazing, as is Rob and Devonte. Smith is playing his best. Deron is 13-6 in games that he gives us 15 minutes.

If Romeo could just hit some clutch shots and foul people out like he should and get to the line 8 times...that would scare you.

He hasn't done it yet though so you still have hope that we won't make it. I can't see Green playing as well as he has for much longer.

Oh Vandy went 0-18 even though you said they were kicking our ass in recruiting last year with their two OAD's. That's gotta be one of the worst seasons in it's history. Nice call on your part.

Funny you say that about Green......frankly, he was pretty fortunate making some of the shots he took against, RU, or getting fouled. I definitely worry about him being overly confident. I don't know if lack of confidence has ever been as issue with him.

I don't think Smith played as well against RU, as the couple prior games, in general, and he did make 2 cringe-worthy plays. The first was one of those missed slams that bounced 20 feet into the air. The second was an early shot clock 3 fairly late in the game, with a substantial lead, that missed badly.

I hope Green & Smith's productive play lately doesn't turn out to be fool's gold.

 

[coachv jr]

I think for the coaches, they spend game prep time talking about stopping Romeo. For Morgan I think it's just let him get his 10pt/7reb.....

I like Morgan and 3rd team seems about right.

except morgan averages 15 and 8. if you think coaches are game planning for that you are't watching the game. in any case, you clearly do not understand what you are seeing.

 

[snarlcakes]

Concerning RP, I did not say I expected RP to score 15+ points per game next year. I never said I expected him to score any particular # next year. What I said is that 'You're probably right RP will not score 17 ppg (as YF did as a soph), but that he would probably shoot a higher GG%, get more rebounds, have as many or more assists, and play better defense' than did YF as a soph. I also said I dod not expect RP to match YF as a pure shooter, and specifically, that he would probably not match YF's career 40%(3s)/83%(FTs) shooting %s., but that he would make up for it in other respects.

As to RL and the Wofford player, as I mentioned I knew nothing about him prior to watching the other night. I said I thought he was a better college player than RL from watching that game. You said that was silly. So I looked up both player's #s for this year:

RL:
34M/game
.452 overall FG %
.532 on 2s only
.275 on 3s only
.722 on FTs
5.4 rebs/game
2.3 assists/game
2.1 TOs/game
16.7 ppg
eFG% 49.5%
PER--20.3
WSs--4.1
ORtg 109.9
DRtg 100.5

Fletcher Magee.....6-4 2 guard, best player on #20 ranked 29-4 Wofford
31.2M/game
.444 overall FG%
.488 on 2s only
.428 on 3s only
.907 on FTs
2.6 rebs/game
1.6 assists/game
1.4 TOs/game
20.5 ppg
eFG% 60.1%
PER--25.6
WSs--6.4
OTtg 130.4
DRtg 101.1

Other: Career ppg 18.8....career 3s %--.438...151 3s made this yr (Romeo: 33 3s made this year).....502 career 3s is second on all time list----leader has 504.

I would also say that this guy is more of the fiery, inspirational type v. being a "cool as a cucumber" type. I prefer the former type, as long as they back it up with their play. If you had seen the guy play I think you would have thought, as I did, that that bastard knows how to play and is going to bring it.

So, I would say that my silly impression/conclusion is backed with a lot of statistical evidence. Others can reach different conclusions but I'm pretty confident about what I saw.

I generally like your posts, but I think you have lost your mind on the Wofford kid being better than Romeo after one game.

 

[TommyCracker]

Your bias is overwhelming. He was just voted 2nd team All Big Ten. Meaning he’s a top 10 player in the league. Get a clue.

He's had a third team to honorable mention actual season which is really good for a freshman and the season he had, but he gets second team honors because of his name.

Amir Coffee had a much better season and is the difference maker for them and he was what, honorable mention.

That's my bias with Romeo. He's been good, not great, and other than maybe five times all year in spurts has he been the most dominating player on the floor while a guy like Morgan has been about 50% of the time.

 

[TommyCracker]

Romeo has played fine during the winning streak. He played poorly in the MSU game. The other 3 games he averaged 17 pts and 6 reb.

In the Wisconsin game he was the best player on the court and took over the game in the overtimes. He scored 9 of the 13 points, including the game winner. You can argue it might be our most significant win of the season, if we make the tourney. It stopped our 5 game losing steak and gave them confidence going into the MSU game.

No he wasn't. He scored 22 in a whopping 44 minutes on 17 shots and was basically invisible while we were going out to a double digit lead.

I believe he had another hero ball game winner clank at the end of regulation but they're all starting to blur together.

I'll give him the overtime, thank God, but the reason we were in overtime to begin with was because they fouled out Morgan, who had 9 and 15 in 28 minutes (which is 14 and 23 in 44).

He's shooting what, around 40% from the field?

Looking at his game log its.

20 pts in 35 min on 5 for 12.
10 pts in 34 min on 4 for 8
9 pts in 37 min on 4 for 14
22 pts in 45 min on 8 for 17
14 pts in 44 min on 4 for 12
14 pts in 32 min on 2 for 6

For some reason the Min game isn't listed, I can't imagine he was too efficient in that game.

He's been good, really good at times, but this narrative that he's been a superstar is simply not true.

I hate that his fanboys make me argue against him because he seems to be much more into the team lately and had really shown great improvement on the defensive side (he's not a beast like Phinesse, but he's been playing much better particularly in the scheme on his rotations. That shows a one and done kid who is open to being coached).

Everyone knows he has a tremendous ceiling, particularly if he starts hitting perimeter shots...but he's been firing on two or three cylinders most of the year other than brief spurts.

Hope we get to see the signature Romeo game before he's done.

 

[ufo33]

I think for the coaches, they spend game prep time talking about stopping Romeo. For Morgan I think it's just let him get his 10pt/7reb.....

I like Morgan and 3rd team seems about right.

Exactly

 

[ufo33]

Concerning RP, I did not say I expected RP to score 15+ points per game next year. I never said I expected him to score any particular # next year. What I said is that 'You're probably right RP will not score 17 ppg (as YF did as a soph), but that he would probably shoot a higher GG%, get more rebounds, have as many or more assists, and play better defense' than did YF as a soph. I also said I dod not expect RP to match YF as a pure shooter, and specifically, that he would probably not match YF's career 40%(3s)/83%(FTs) shooting %s., but that he would make up for it in other respects.

As to RL and the Wofford player, as I mentioned I knew nothing about him prior to watching the other night. I said I thought he was a better college player than RL from watching that game. You said that was silly. So I looked up both player's #s for this year:

RL:
34M/game
.452 overall FG %
.532 on 2s only
.275 on 3s only
.722 on FTs
5.4 rebs/game
2.3 assists/game
2.1 TOs/game
16.7 ppg
eFG% 49.5%
PER--20.3
WSs--4.1
ORtg 109.9
DRtg 100.5

Fletcher Magee.....6-4 2 guard, best player on #20 ranked 29-4 Wofford
31.2M/game
.444 overall FG%
.488 on 2s only
.428 on 3s only
.907 on FTs
2.6 rebs/game
1.6 assists/game
1.4 TOs/game
20.5 ppg
eFG% 60.1%
PER--25.6
WSs--6.4
OTtg 130.4
DRtg 101.1

Other: Career ppg 18.8....career 3s %--.438...151 3s made this yr (Romeo: 33 3s made this year).....502 career 3s is second on all time list----leader has 504.

I would also say that this guy is more of the fiery, inspirational type v. being a "cool as a cucumber" type. I prefer the former type, as long as they back it up with their play. If you had seen the guy play I think you would have thought, as I did, that that bastard knows how to play and is going to bring it.

So, I would say that my silly impression/conclusion is backed with a lot of statistical evidence. Others can teach different conclusions but I'm pretty confident about what I saw.

Will this Wofford guy get drafted by the NBA? Likely not. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

 

[ufo33]

Will this Wofford guy get drafted by the NBA? Likely not. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Concerning RP, I did not say I expected RP to score 15+ points per game next year. I never said I expected him to score any particular # next year. What I said is that 'You're probably right RP will not score 17 ppg (as YF did as a soph), but that he would probably shoot a higher GG%, get more rebounds, have as many or more assists, and play better defense' than did YF as a soph. I also said I dod not expect RP to match YF as a pure shooter, and specifically, that he would probably not match YF's career 40%(3s)/83%(FTs) shooting %s., but that he would make up for it in other respects.

As to RL and the Wofford player, as I mentioned I knew nothing about him prior to watching the other night. I said I thought he was a better college player than RL from watching that game. You said that was silly. So I looked up both player's #s for this year:

RL:
34M/game
.452 overall FG %
.532 on 2s only
.275 on 3s only
.722 on FTs
5.4 rebs/game
2.3 assists/game
2.1 TOs/game
16.7 ppg
eFG% 49.5%
PER--20.3
WSs--4.1
ORtg 109.9
DRtg 100.5

Fletcher Magee.....6-4 2 guard, best player on #20 ranked 29-4 Wofford
31.2M/game
.444 overall FG%
.488 on 2s only
.428 on 3s only
.907 on FTs
2.6 rebs/game
1.6 assists/game
1.4 TOs/game
20.5 ppg
eFG% 60.1%
PER--25.6
WSs--6.4
OTtg 130.4
DRtg 101.1

Other: Career ppg 18.8....career 3s %--.438...151 3s made this yr (Romeo: 33 3s made this year).....502 career 3s is second on all time list----leader has 504.

I would also say that this guy is more of the fiery, inspirational type v. being a "cool as a cucumber" type. I prefer the former type, as long as they back it up with their play. If you had seen the guy play I think you would have thought, as I did, that that bastard knows how to play and is going to bring it.

So, I would say that my silly impression/conclusion is backed with a lot of statistical evidence. Others can reach different conclusions but I'm pretty confident about what I saw.

Was the Wofford player a McDonald's HS All-American? Did he play on the 18U USA National Team while only a Junior in HS? Did he play in the Jordan Brand Classic HS All-Star game? Iš he projected to be drafted in the NBA Draft 1st round? He is not in the same league as Romeo, regardless of stats.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Was the Wofford player a McDonald's HS All-American? Did he play on the 18U USA National Team while only a Junior in HS? Did he play in the Jordan Brand Classic HS All-Star game? Iš he projected to be drafted in the NBA Draft 1st round? He is not in the same league as Romeo, regardless of stats.

College basketball is a completely different game than pro basketball. You are really into the NBA, and the NBA draft, apparently. Good for you. I'm not. In fact, I wouldn't give 2 s**** for the NBA. I also don't care about HS AS games. This guy is a senior. He's 4 years down the line from that. What I am saying is that he, today, is the better and more valuable college basketball player, playing for the better and more successful college team. I will add that he's been pretty damn good for the last 3 years as well.

 

[TommyCracker]

Funny you say that about Green......frankly, he was pretty fortunate making some of the shots he took against, RU, or getting fouled. I definitely worry about him being overly confident. I don't know if lack of confidence has ever been as issue with him.

I don't think Smith played as well against RU, as the couple prior games, in general, and he did make 2 cringe-worthy plays. The first was one of those missed slams that bounced 20 feet into the air. The second was an early shot clock 3 fairly late in the game, with a substantial lead, that missed badly.

I hope Green & Smith's productive play lately doesn't turn out to be fool's gold.

That's pretty much it. They've always been streaky and we've been on a good run with them.

Green actually has been better, longer than people want to admit this year though. He doesn't have much of a short range game and gets into trouble when he dribbles into the lane with no one to pass to. If he stays out on the perimeter and shoots or makes post feeds he's numbers go up exponentially.

He did have a lot of swagger vs Rutger's. He looked great but those shots went in. Had they missed everyone would be shooting him into the sun for being to 'east coast' for their liking.

Anyway the good news is if Green or Smith struggle we can recognize and replace with good players.

I really like our current rotation.

 

[ufo33]

College basketball is a completely different game than pro basketball. You are really into the NBA, and the NBA draft, apparently. Good for you. I'm not. In fact, I wouldn't give 2 s**** for the NBA. I also don't care about HS AS games. This guy is a senior. He's 4 years down the line from that. What I am saying is that he, today, is the better and more valuable college basketball player, playing for the better and more successful college team. I will add that he's been pretty damn good for the last 3 years as well.

Morgan has been a valuable Hoosier and has had very good Junior and Senior years. Most valuable is not always the best player. Rob Phinisee may be the most valuable player on the team due to there is no equal back-up on the roster this season on both offense and defense from the PG position. When Rob was out of the lineup or not 100% IU lost 11 of 12. Same with post play and DeRon Davis and Race Thompson. With all 3 back now IU is winning again in B1G play.
If you look at what each team prepares to stop, Romeo is at the top of every opposing team's defensive scheme. That makes Romeo likely the most valuable offensuve player on the team.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

Do you find it interesting that even with Romeo hitting a bit of a wall lately we've played our best ball of the season.

I'm hoping like hell this lottery pick, better than Gordon hype that you've told me about comes out because that would make your worst nightmare come true.

Morgan is playing amazing, as is Rob and Devonte. Smith is playing his best. Deron is 13-6 in games that he gives us 15 minutes.

If Romeo could just hit some clutch shots and foul people out like he should and get to the line 8 times...that would scare you.

He hasn't done it yet though so you still have hope that we won't make it. I can't see Green playing as well as he has for much longer.

Oh Vandy went 0-18 even though you said they were kicking our ass in recruiting last year with their two OAD's. That's gotta be one of the worst seasons in it's history. Nice call on your part.

He seriously said Romeo was better than EG? EG was one of the dominating scorers in the B1G, and with a messed up wrist. That team mailed it in after the Sampson debacle. Go back and watch the NCAA tourney game (I believe against Arkansas). The players were just going through the motions, but Arkansas was talking shit anyways and it pissed EG off. Towards the end of the game he pretty much dunked on the whole Arkansas squad just to show them that he and IU could beat them, but just didn’t give a shit anymore.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He seriously said Romeo was better than EG? EG was one of the dominating scorers in the B1G, and with a messed up wrist. That team mailed it in after the Sampson debacle. Go back and watch the NCAA tourney game (I believe against Arkansas). The players were just going through the motions, but Arkansas was talking shit anyways and it pissed EG off. Towards the end of the game he pretty much dunked on the whole Arkansas squad just to show them that he and IU could beat them, but just didn’t give a shit anymore.

lol.........My memory is that DG was a dominant player, more dominant than RL has been, until he injured his wrist.....he wasn't nearly as good thereafter. We don't know the status of RL's hand and to what extent it has affected matters to this point, and currently.

 

[fpeaugh]

He's had a third team to honorable mention actual season which is really good for a freshman and the season he had, but he gets second team honors because of his name.

Amir Coffee had a much better season and is the difference maker for them and he was what, honorable mention.

That's my bias with Romeo. He's been good, not great, and other than maybe five times all year in spurts has he been the most dominating player on the floor while a guy like Morgan has been about 50% of the time.

The reality is you set unrealistic expectations on a very good kid and basketball player. When he didn’t live up to YOUR expectations you started unfairly criticizing him because of your selfishness. That’s the truth.

 

[fpeaugh]

You are, without a doubt, the least self-aware poster in the history of this board. For you to tell anyone on here to "get a clue" after your blathering nonsensical postings is effing hilarious.

You are a coward, and you know it.

Start owing it or STFU.

Don’t blame me for all of your failed guarantees. That’s on you.

 

[TommyCracker]

The reality is you set unrealistic expectations on a very good kid and basketball player. When he didn’t live up to YOUR expectations you started unfairly criticizing him because of your selfishness. That’s the truth.

No, I just want him to earn the praise that he's given on the court. Moreso don't tell me he's been great when he's been good.

Aren't you the one bitching that Archie is getting way too much praise before he's earned it (which is true to be honest). Yet now you are scolding me because after seeing a ton of first round draft picks in my lifetime...Romeo has underwelmed AGAINST THAT COMPANY.

Not against all freshmen.

So when you say we're going to be worse without Romeo there are two sides. Are we going to miss the season he had? I don't think he's made that great of an impact to winning this year to be honest.

Will we be worse not having a sophomore Romeo with another year of physical development coming back for his sophomore season...of course we will be. I expect him to improve significantly as he matures.

But he's gone as he should be.

Which in essence is the catch 22 of the one and dones that we argue about.

You get one year. Their worst year.

 

[fpeaugh]

No, I just want him to earn the praise that he's given on the court. Moreso don't tell me he's been great when he's been good.

Aren't you the one bitching that Archie is getting way too much praise before he's earned it (which is true to be honest). Yet now you are scolding me because after seeing a ton of first round draft picks in my lifetime...Romeo has underwelmed AGAINST THAT COMPANY.

Not against all freshmen.

So when you say we're going to be worse without Romeo there are two sides. Are we going to miss the season he had? I don't think he's made that great of an impact to winning this year to be honest.

Will we be worse not having a sophomore Romeo with another year of physical development coming back for his sophomore season...of course we will be. I expect him to improve significantly as he matures.

But he's gone as he should be.

Which in essence is the catch 22 of the one and dones that we argue about.

You get one year. Their worst year.

You believe that all (or even the average) first round pick averages more than 16.7 pts, 5.4 reb, and 2.3 ast? You’re just being completely unrealistic. What do you want him to produce?

There are regularly first round picks averaging 10-15 points per game. It would do wonders for him to play on even an average offensive team. His decision to come to IU has haunted him this year.

 

[fpeaugh]

No, I just want him to earn the praise that he's given on the court. Moreso don't tell me he's been great when he's been good.

Aren't you the one bitching that Archie is getting way too much praise before he's earned it (which is true to be honest). Yet now you are scolding me because after seeing a ton of first round draft picks in my lifetime...Romeo has underwelmed AGAINST THAT COMPANY.

Not against all freshmen.

So when you say we're going to be worse without Romeo there are two sides. Are we going to miss the season he had? I don't think he's made that great of an impact to winning this year to be honest.

Will we be worse not having a sophomore Romeo with another year of physical development coming back for his sophomore season...of course we will be. I expect him to improve significantly as he matures.

But he's gone as he should be.

Which in essence is the catch 22 of the one and dones that we argue about.

You get one year. Their worst year.

And I assume this means you don’t want Brooks too?

 

[TR32]

But he's gone as he should be.

Which in essence is the catch 22 of the one and dones that we argue about.

You get one year. Their worst year.

I really don't think pro sports teams do enough evaluation of mental toughness when they draft. Or perhaps they do and just use draft picks to dupe others into trades.

Couldn't agree more on the obvious pitfalls of one and done. Don't ever recruit one unless you can supplement an already good team and you won't miss them the next year.

I don't blame Archie on this one though but I will if he does it in the 2019 class. And with OAD going away, more of the 2019 class will be pushing to do 2 or fewer years in college.

 

[Rakkasan29]

Don’t blame me for all of your failed guarantees. That’s on you.

WTF are you even talking about, chump?
I've made no guarantees on this board.

Shall we list all of yours that haven't come to fruition?

 

[TommyCracker]

You believe that all (or even the average) first round pick averages more than 16.7 pts, 5.4 reb, and 2.3 ast? You’re just being completely unrealistic. What do you want him to produce?

There are regularly first round picks averaging 10-15 points per game. It would do wonders for him to play on even an average offensive team. His decision to come to IU has haunted him this year.

Are you being serious? This is kind of my point. Romeo has brought two more points per game than Robert effing Johnson. Along with that came the hype, the team jealousy, the pressure for him to succeed and guys like you trying to spin a good season into a historically great season.

Many, many, many lottery scoring guards have averaged more production than he has. Eric Gordon was around 24 per game until he cracked his wrist and came down to 20.

Malik Monk, who I was mocked for comparing Romeo to, averaged 19 a game and was considered a bit of a bust.

Carsen Edwards averaged 18 last year on a top five team. He's averaging 17 for his career.

And that's pure points. If you want to go per 40 (Romeo by far plays the most minutes, lately around 35 a game) and he's closer to Justin Smith than Carsen Edwards.

And again, there's nothing wrong with that or his season. He's a freshman and he's not playing Bedford anymore.

Also if he ever gets his shot going...okay yeah, now he's unguardable, but he hasn't found it yet which makes him an undersized and young power forward and teams are simply crowding the lane because that's where Romeo, Morgan, Davis and Smith like to work.

Even Cody Zeller struggled to drive on a Syracuse zone.

Anyway, I'm dead serious that I really hope Romeo finds his shot in the post season.

That would completely change this team offensively.

If we have a great post season and Romeo is a big part of it....that is what everyone will remember.

I truly hope he has a sensational post season.

 

[TommyCracker]

And I assume this means you don’t want Brooks too?

I don't expect much from Brooks next year even though he's labeled as a five star by the gooroos.

He needs to physically develop his body (like most freshman) with his slashing game and I think he's going to go through an adjustment period.

But people think he's going to be a three or four year player and that's the sweet spot and why I want him.

A very talented kid that grows old in the program.

He's not at the level of Wilkes and Romeo...so I don't get the hype on him. If he sees himself as a one and done I think he's in for a rude awakening.

If he doesn't pick us (I agree with you I think he's UK bound) I would love, love, LOVE Tre Mitchell and Quinones.

Three to four year guys. One projects out as an MSU like 6'10" 250 guy who has a perimeter game (Mitchell) and the other is considered the best perimeter shooter left in his class.

Both guys are mid four stars.

 

[MG80]

I think for the coaches, they spend game prep time talking about stopping Romeo. For Morgan I think it's just let him get his 10pt/7reb.....

I like Morgan and 3rd team seems about right.

Morgan is shooting 56% from the field for his IU career and 15/8 pts and boards this season and you don’t think opposing coaches game plan for him? I wish you were coaching OSU against us today.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Morgan is shooting 56% from the field for his IU career and 15/8 pts and boards this season and you don’t think opposing coaches game plan for him? I wish you were coaching OSU against us today.

I stand corrected on the stats, but still don't think it's the same level of consideration Langford gets.

 

[MrBing]

kidding me!!!!!! I know we were down during the year.... but I feel Morgan still played solid.

Anyone else agree or disagree???

Post your thoughts.

That's ridiculous.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Was the Wofford player a McDonald's HS All-American? Did he play on the 18U USA National Team while only a Junior in HS? Did he play in the Jordan Brand Classic HS All-Star game? Iš he projected to be drafted in the NBA Draft 1st round? He is not in the same league as Romeo, regardless of stats.

College basketball is a completely different game than pro basketball. You are really into the NBA, and the NBA draft, apparently. Good for you. I'm not. In fact, I wouldn't give 2 s**** for the NBA. I also don't care about HS AS games. This guy is a senior. He's 4 years down the line from that. What I am saying is that he, today, is the better and more valuable college basketball player, playing for the better and more successful college team. I will add that he's been pretty damn good for the last 3 years as well.

Well.....we won't be able to compare the Wofford kid to Romeo....they'll be playing in different tournaments.

Where do you project Keyshawn Woods to go in the NBA draft?

 

[snarlcakes]

Well.....we won't be able to compare the Wofford kid to Romeo....they'll be playing in different tournaments.

Where do you project Keyshawn Woods to go in the NBA draft?

How did Yogi( I mean Phin) play?

 

[mushroomgod_1]

How did Yogi( I mean Phin) play?

Well, he sucked, but it was my fault.......I saw him before the game, and he was nervous. I told him not to worry, to just play like Romeo, the first round draft pick.

 

[snarlcakes]

Well, he sucked, but it was my fault.......I saw him before the game, and he was nervous. I told him not to worry, to just play like Romeo, the first round draft pick.

Perhaps they both sucked and neither of us can play gotcha?