WHAT??? Is this correct??? Morgan 3rd team B1G???? You have to be...
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That’s impossible. Miller inherited a team full of All Big Ten players and first round draft picks.
It’s on the home page. Morgan made 3rd team, but Media only. Romeo made 2nd team (Coaches), 3rd team (Media), and all Freshman. Still can’t believe all the arm chair coaches on here thought that Romeo had an underwhelming season. The real coaches in the Big Ten reminded them to STFU.
JM didn't even make 3rd team on the Coaches.....Definitely think JM got screwed there. He was better than Romeo (2nd team), plus, Palmer, Ward, & Bohannon (all 3rd team), imo.
I can understand JM not getting 2nd team, although I would have had him 2nd team, and Romeo on the 3rd team. You have to look at a 17-15 team, a relatively poor 2nd half of the BT season, until the last few games, and sharing the spotlight with Romeo. Hard to justify 2 2nd team ABT players on an 8-12 team (that's why I'd have RL on 3rd team, plus I just think JM was the better player of the two).
I think Stevens is too high on the coach's team (1st team). 2nd team seems about right there.
EDIT---Also stupid, imo, that Happ wasn't unanimous ABT on either the coach's or media's team
Thinking about this......I guess the media & coaches felt like they had to have SOMEONE else from MSU in the top 3 teams other than CW........I think what happened was that CW was so damn good that he carried a bunch of reasonably productive role players along with him for the ride. Was Ward even better than Goins, let alone Morgan? PLUS, he missed several games with an injured hand. Real screw job there.
Does anybody really think Ward is a better college player than JM?
Dont rally to finish 9th in the conference then gripe about how good players are from that 9th place team and should have been recognized.
There are many correlations that can be drawn...
There are many correlations that can be drawn...
We went 8-12. Not surprised. Where you gonna put Morgan as a five? Let’s see Morgan get mvp of B1G tournament, which means we do well. Go Hoosiers!
Well......I wouldn't, except that Stevens from 7-13 PSU and Palmer from 6-14 Nebraska made 1st & 3rd team ABT on the coach's team, respectively.
Bingo maybe Archie should have gotten coach of the year cause he kept the team together.....
It’s on the home page. Morgan made 3rd team, but Media only. Romeo made 2nd team (Coaches), 3rd team (Media), and all Freshman. Still can’t believe all the arm chair coaches on here thought that Romeo had an underwhelming season. The real coaches in the Big Ten reminded them to STFU.
I agree. Romeo had a great year.
I would have made Morgan 2nd team and Romeo 3rd team. IMO Morgan was by far our best all around player and played with great effort, while at times being forced to play against the other teams biggest player.
And having two guys on all B1G is very generous for a team well below .500 in conference.
And having two guys on all B1G is very generous for a team well below .500 in conference.
You have to look at the position that each player plays. Morgan was behind other 5s and 4s
Great? Hmmm.
Langford is very good, but he is not a dominating shooting guard, an end-of-game unstoppable go-to guy or any sort of game-changer (especially for a supposed first round NBAer). Seems great players would have fit at least one of my arbitrary categories.
If he were any of those things, he would have made first team Big Ten on either the coaches or media listings, even as a freshman.
What would change my mind? Easy: seeing Langford walk onto the floor at the beginning of a game and immediately start driving to the basket and drawing fouls, dunking or hitting layups, and continuing to do that over and over until the other team had to make changes. Fouls at the beginning of a game carry importance throughout the remainder of a game, and Langford is good at drawing fouls. Instead, for whatever reason, Langford waits until late in the game to even try to do this stuff.
Look, I know Morgan is very good at playing under the basket, but Morgan has proven vulnerable to being whistled for fouls by overworked, overegotistical, barely-capable referees. I'd rather Langford take over the first part of a game as I described and rack up some fouls on the other team's bigs, so that Morgan and Davis can have a better chance.
Don't "great" players take over the game?
It’s on the home page. Morgan made 3rd team, but Media only. Romeo made 2nd team (Coaches), 3rd team (Media), and all Freshman. Still can’t believe all the arm chair coaches on here thought that Romeo had an underwhelming season. The real coaches in the Big Ten reminded them to STFU.
Even Langford would probably tell you himself that him being voted higher than Morgan is silly.
Getting drafted higher for sure but he didn't have near the season that Morgan had. I don't think it was close.
I'd love to see one game where he carries the team and awes like Morgan has done several times over the past two years, including last Sunday.
I think Wesson and Morgan should have been 3rd team for what they bring to their teams. I would have had Romeo as honorable mention.
I think Jordan Murphy should be on the All-defensive team instead of McQuaid-though I admit McQuaid dis a good job on Romeo.
Also, Ethan Happ really should be a unanimous 1st team selection. He is the most well-rounded, polished player in the conference and pretty much does everything well.
The rest, I think they got right but I felt Michigan deserved Simpson on the first team for how well he ran their offense.
I think Jordan Murphy should be on the All-defensive team instead of McQuaid-though I admit McQuaid dis a good job on Romeo.
Also, Ethan Happ really should be a unanimous 1st team selection. He is the most well-rounded, polished player in the conference and pretty much does everything well.
The rest, I think they got right but I felt Michigan deserved Simpson on the first team for how well he ran their offense.
The COACHES in the Big Ten who have to gameplan and actually try to stop Romeo voted him onto the 2nd team and didn’t have Morgan on any team. I think that speaks for itself. Also, Juwan got robbed not making the 3rd team for both imo.
They probably hold Morgan more accountable to leadership during the long losing streak, although I don't know how he didn't go at least as high as Palmer, who is in a similar position.
Statistically it is a no brainer. Morgan outshot the shooting guard from 2pt and 3pt range for crying out loud. More rebounds, more steals, more blocks... not close.
Juwan should have been first team and McRoberts should have been third-team for all the intangibles that he brings. Don't the coaches and media read this board?
Juwan would have been a lock for first team if if there was a category four players that do what they are asked to do for thefor the sake of the team.
Juwan would have been a lock for first team if if there was a category four players that do what they are asked to do for thefor the sake of the team.
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I hate Happ, but only because he’s good. Arguably the most consistent player in the entire conference.
I agree that it's absolutely ridiculous that Romeo was 2nd team on one team, with JM as HM.
The leadership aspect you mention was strongly in Morgan's favor. Whatever inspiration that was generated internally flowed from him. I don't recall CAM or any player ever citing Romeo's leadership/inspirational qualities. And that's ok, that's not him. But that was one reason I thought Iggy would be named freshmen of the year in the BT despite RL's hype (which, again, RL didn't want or embrace...it was just there).
As far as why the coaches did this, it's probably like the coach's poll in football. Coaches don't have time for that stuff, so they farm it out to GAs. Who knows, but it makes 0 sense.
To clarify, I said he had a great season, which I he did for a freshmen. Romeo did have several games where he took over and was by far the most dominant player on the court (Maryland & Illinois). Also, I think he wore down as the season went on. Through his first 16 games he was averaging 19 points a game and seemed more active (on offense) than he did the 2nd half of the season.
If he was coming back for his sophomore season he would be the favorite to win national player of the year. That kid is stud. I know he didn't live up to everyone's expectations, as the next superman, but it doesn't mean he didn't have a great season.
As to the last paragraph.......yes, Simpson on the 1st team, move Stevens to the 2nd. I think Stevens benefited from short memories. There were a lot of times he was awful in the first 1/2 of the BT season, but he played very well the 2nd 1/2.
Yes, Happ as unanimous on both teams. Another reason to question the coaches' team. What coach wouldn't vote Happ 1st team?
Romeo was IUs best player for the season. Every opposing team's defense was geared toward stopping Romeo.
I don't think he wore down at all.
Two things happened......teams adjusted their D to slow down his drives, and he begin to hit a higher % of 3s.
Looking at the stats, by my calculation, for the first 20 games of the year he was 25/71 on 3s, or 21.1%.
In the first 7 games when the BT season resumed he was 5/24, for 20.8%, and we lost 6/7 games. In contrast, for the 11 game stretch from at Rutgers to Rutgers at home, he was 18/49, for 36.7%
Offsetting that improvement, however, was his drop in 2 pt shooting %. I will give Painter some blame/credit. Starting with Purdue, for a 5 game stretch he was 2-7, 4-7, 3-10, 4-13, and 4-13 (34%) on 2s only. Prior to that, he had been hitting close to 50%. To his credit, in the 9 games since the MSU loss, he's hit 31/63, or 49.2%, on 2s only. So, he has apparently adjusted, and/or his better 3 pt shooting has opened up things a bit.
It was that part of the season, namely Neb at home, at Purdue, at NW, and Michigan at home (all losses), when teams had learned how to block his path to the basket, and he had not started hitting 3s, when the season basically went to hell.
As to your "If he was coming back" speculation......I first note that from the at Rutgers game to the home game v. RU, 11 games, he hit almost 37% on his 3s and 50% on his 2s, and he still only averaged 15.9 ppg. To actually dominate regularly at the college level, he would have to both develop a mid-range game, and learn how to go to the left and finish with his left hand. That's a lot to ask for, and he hasn't done much this year toward improvement in those areas this year. As for whether he would be the favorite for NPoY, the hype machine is pretty strong, so he would be one of the favorites. But I would tell you this. There's a kid I saw last night from Wofford, who I had never seen before & knew nothing about, that is a far better college basketball player than Romeo.
Coaches constantly talk about freshmen hitting a wall and etc. Considering, Romeo, averaged more minutes than almost anyone in the league, I'm going say he wore down some. I agree that defenses adjusted and it was part of the reason, as well.
In another thread you made the argument that Phin is going to be as good or better than Yogi. Phin currently has no floater, mid-range game, struggles to score, shoots poorly, and is averaging 7 pts on 36% shooting, but you expect him to score15+ points, next year. That's a huge jump. However, in this thread you doubt whether Romeo, who is averaging 17 points and shooting 45%, couldn't improve enough to be POY contender? If Romeo stayed and averaged 20 pts a game and improved his shooting to 50% he would be in the conversation. I don't understand the logic.
You literally watched a dude play one game, against another mid-major, and decided he was a better player than Romeo. Really? It's silly to make that claim and you know it.
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Maybe he just expects Phinisee to be able to hit 2 freethrows at home against MSU to seal a win that could potentially give IU enough wins to make the tourney.
Did the voters not listen to you when you told everyone we’d be better off without Romeo? Color me shocked!
