We have a verdict -- Guilty on ALL counts

[mcmurtry66]

Tell me about the courthouse in Brentwood.

it's not the courthouse hoos it's the county. there was no more impactful event in that trial than the change of venue. santa monica white, more affluent, more educated. oj ended up with a jury 9 blacks, 2 whites, and 1 hispanic. that's like winning a lottery for a black crim def. actually civil injury cases as well

trump will have a similar benefit on his docs case in fort pierce and hte counties that fed ct draws from

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

it's not the courthouse hoos it's the county. there was no more impactful event in that trial than the change of venue. santa monica white, more affluent, more educated. oj ended up with a jury 9 blacks, 2 whites, and 1 hispanic. that's like winning a lottery for a black crim def

To be fair, they didn't win the lottery as much as the prosecution picked the wrong numbers.

 

[mcmurtry66]

To be fair, they didn't win the lottery as much as the prosecution picked the wrong numbers.

well yes that too. good point

 

[BradStevens]

You might have a more compelling point if those prosecutions didn't result in unanimous verdicts convicting him on 34 counts. It wasn't just the prosecutor who felt that the case had merit. I agree that the optics of Bragg campaigning on going after Trump are bad, but the prosecution certainly held water.

And I don't agree that the prosecution was done to prevent him from running (how would that work?) or being elected (it seems to be just as likely doing the opposite.) If there was prosecutorial bias, it seems to have been about not allowing Trump to get away with things he can and should be prosecuted for as he has done in the past.

34 counts isn’t very important. It’s one act that they claim split on. As for the jury, that’s a tough thing here: I don’t think it’s possible to try Trump impartially in most of the country ( including conservative jury pool areas). This isn’t like 99.99% of trials which is exactly why the notion of trying him in this way, at this time, for this charge was unwise in my mind.

He did it, though. No doubt. Would never have been brought against anyone else, though. Again, no doubt.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

34 counts isn’t very important. It’s one act that they claim split on. As for the jury, that’s a tough thing here: I don’t think it’s possible to try Trump impartially in most of the country ( including conservative jury pool areas). This isn’t like 99.99% of trials which is exactly why the notion of trying him in this way, at this time, for this charge was unwise in my mind.

He did it, though. No doubt. Would never have been brought against anyone else, though. Again, no doubt.

It's insane to think that we're talking about a situation in which someone was absolutely targeted and unfairly prosecuted for a crime that he, without a doubt, absolutely did commit.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's insane to think that we're talking about a situation in which someone was absolutely targeted and unfairly prosecuted for a crime that he, without a doubt, absolutely did commit.

In a perverted way it’s his charm

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

we're talking about a situation in which someone was absolutely targeted and unfairly prosecuted for a crime that he, without a doubt, absolutely did commit.

That’s probably the most accurate representation of what happened that I’ve seen yet.

 

[cosmickid]

I don’t think it’s that prevalent. There are obviously Trumpers that fly them, but 90+ percent of people refrain. Also, the only political flag I see in my neighborhood is the one above. It’s admittedly only several, but there are zero Trump flags and I live in central Indiana.

If you take the Bloomfield exit and turn N on 231 off of 69, then head W on 54 you'll pass at least 10 on the drive thru Linton...

 

[hoosboot]

34 counts isn’t very important. It’s one act that they claim split on. As for the jury, that’s a tough thing here: I don’t think it’s possible to try Trump impartially in most of the country ( including conservative jury pool areas). This isn’t like 99.99% of trials which is exactly why the notion of trying him in this way, at this time, for this charge was unwise in my mind.

He did it, though. No doubt. Would never have been brought against anyone else, though. Again, no doubt.

The view you advocate seems to suggest that Trump is to be allowed to break the law however he'd like, when and wherever he would like. It he is caught speeding, he shouldn't be given a ticket because that might appear to be biased. That doesn't seem like a productive approach to law enforcement.

Moreover, it seems like your problem is with the law (which upgrades the charges to a felony for election interference.) You or I wouldn't be charged because we aren't running for office and, in most cases, someone wouldn't be going to such great ends to impact an election if it weren't a significant office they were running for.

The jury had to vote 34 times on whether all of the elements of the crime in question were satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. That's significant.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

You can't bring me down old timer. I smoked three meatloafs for 5 1/2 hours on the smoker today. I'd invite you over for a peace offering, But I'm afraid the dog doesn't like mental midgets

OK my view has changed. You might be a lib, but Dayum you smoked meatloaf? Jesus my sweet spot. That was probably pretty damn good I imagine. What kind of grill? I smoked that 7 pound pork butt last week and did Burgoo after a couple days and it was fire! I want to know more about these meatloafs.

 

[BradStevens]

The view you advocate seems to suggest that Trump is to be allowed to break the law however he'd like, when and wherever he would like. It he is caught speeding, he shouldn't be given a ticket because that might appear to be biased. That doesn't seem like a productive approach to law enforcement.

Moreover, it seems like your problem is with the law (which upgrades the charges to a felony for election interference.) You or I wouldn't be charged because we aren't running for office and, in most cases, someone wouldn't be going to such great ends to impact an election if it weren't a significant office they were running for.

The jury had to vote 34 times on whether all of the elements of the crime in question were satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. That's significant.

I'm not suggesting Trump be allowed to break the law however he'd like, when and wherever he would like. If I were, I'd be saying every single prosecution against him is unwise--and I'm not saying that.

 

[Mark Milton]

OK my view has changed. You might be a lib, but Dayum you smoked meatloaf? Jesus my sweet spot. That was probably pretty damn good I imagine. What kind of grill? I smoked that 7 pound pork butt last week and did Burgoo after a couple days and it was fire! I want to know more about these meatloafs.

I have a traeger and am probably content with that for another year. the Meatloaf is amazing. Check out Meatchurch.com. Great recipes. I would love to do a pork butt but I have convinced myself I would bungle that up.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's insane to think that we're talking about a situation in which someone was absolutely targeted and unfairly prosecuted for a crime that he, without a doubt, absolutely did commit.

I love this so much. I mean think about it. He did it. He knows he did it. Everyone knows whatever he’s accused of doing he did. It’s shitty old state court. Enter an Alford. Short circuit it and move on. Not trump. He sits there. Day after day. Week after week. And lost. Of course. When I saw the verdict I bust out laughing because it was hilarious and just so trump. He has a perverted charm about him

 

[cosmickid]

Uh, I think you left out the small detail of Clinton paying Russians for dirt on Trump..... but that's not colluding with Russians, is it?

Mueller? The stumbling, bumbling fool who couldn't answer questions about his own investigation?

Don't make me laugh.

"Uh, I think you left out the small detail of Clinton paying Russians for dirt on Trump..... but that's not colluding with Russians, is it?"


Is that what happened? Got a link?

 

[IUINSB]

Cool beans. Can I have your pension that the taxpayers aren’t footing?

Join the military, serve during combat, and you can have one too.

 

[hoosboot]

it's not the courthouse hoos it's the county. there was no more impactful event in that trial than the change of venue. santa monica white, more affluent, more educated. oj ended up with a jury 9 blacks, 2 whites, and 1 hispanic. that's like winning a lottery for a black crim def. actually civil injury cases as well

trump will have a similar benefit on his docs case in fort pierce and hte counties that fed ct draws from

Santa Monica and downtown Los Angeles are both in Los Angeles county. As a juror in Los Angeles county, you aren't assigned to the courthouse closest to you. You are assigned where juries are needed as long as the court is within 20 miles of you. All the time I've lived in Santa Monica, I've been assigned to the downtown courthouse for jury duty more than the SM one because a ton more trials are done downtown (which is significantly larger and better staffed) than in SM. I've actually been assigned to the airport courthouse more than the Santa Monica one.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

I have a traeger and am probably content with that for another year. the Meatloaf is amazing. Check out Meatchurch.com. Great recipes. I would love to do a pork butt but I have convinced myself I would bungle that up.

I have a weber summit. Pork butt is great you just have to be patient during "the stall", and it will stall for hours which is a good thing. It's breaking down all the tough parts and cooling and evaporating. BUT once you get past that 150-160 stall you have no idea how good it is if you're patient. I'll go to about 200 before I pull it and let it rest for at least 30 minutes. I'll foil wrap for awhile too and make my own rub and my own bbq sauce which is tangy AF. I also use a drip pan with orange juice and wood chips so when it runs out I get another smoke kick.

Now let's hear about these meatloafs I have never done that. Covered, what's in it, etc etc

 

[cosmickid]

Would you advise your client - any client - to take the stand when the prosecution has no witness other than a convicted liar as the star witness?

If you would, I hope your malpractice insurance is paid up.

Despite all the crocodile tears Merchan plainly instructed the jury that whether they belived Cohen or not, that They COULD NOT convict anyone on Cohen's testimony alone. To paraphrase, Cohen was Trump's accomplice, and in New York people can not be convicted soley on the testimony of an accomplice. There must be corraborating evidence...

That is exactly why the Prosecution opened their case with Trump's friend Pecker, and why the testimony Pecker gave about the meeting at Trump Tower was so critical. Because when Cohen testified about what happened at the meeting 5 weeks after Pecker, the key elements of their respective testimonies were nearly identical.

That was a huge tell that Trump was in trouble when the jury specifically asked for that portion of Pecker's testimony to be re read to them. Just hours prior to their verdict...

 

[mcmurtry66]

Santa Monica and downtown Los Angeles are both in Los Angeles county. As a juror in Los Angeles county, you aren't assigned to the courthouse closest to you. You are assigned where juries are needed as long as the court is within 20 miles of you. All the time I've lived in Santa Monica, I've been assigned to the downtown courthouse for jury duty more than the SM one because a ton more trials are done downtown (which is significantly larger and better staffed) than in SM. I've actually been assigned to the airport courthouse more than the Santa Monica one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/09/11/race-in-the-jury-room/dcba5d79-c9f9-4d6d-a250-18f1715b913a/

that's really interesting to hear. maybe it changed

 

[cosmickid]

An eye for an eye. Dems did this 100% so no whining. The justice system you once knew is forever gone. Hope is was worth it.

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I'm kind of shocked you posted that heavily edited, ridiculous interview he did with FNF. Not only did he rant about bizarre stuff, but the lies flowed like honey. I honestly was just coming here to post it myself...

The 3 stooges doing the interview have severe amnesia. Trying to claim Trump never tried to prosecute political opponents or advocate for violence is comical. Others have posted examples- they're not at all difficult to find...

But the attempt to portray Trump as some benevolent uniter who never threatened his opponents with retribution is beyond ridiculous. In fact IIRC, the exact term Trump used when he made one of several threats was retribution. As in "I am your retribution"...

 

[Mark Milton]

I have a weber summit. Pork butt is great you just have to be patient during "the stall", and it will stall for hours which is a good thing. It's breaking down all the tough parts and cooling and evaporating. BUT once you get past that 150-160 stall you have no idea how good it is if you're patient. I'll go to about 200 before I pull it and let it rest for at least 30 minutes. I'll foil wrap for awhile too and make my own rub and my own bbq sauce which is tangy AF. I also use a drip pan with orange juice and wood chips so when it runs out I get another smoke kick.

Now let's hear about these meatloafs I have never done that. Covered, what's in it, etc etc

wow that sounds amazing. I bet that meat just shreds with a spoon.

Meatloaf is fantastic. I use 4.5 lbs of 85/15 ground beef to make 3 loafs. I chop up 1 1/2 vidalia onions; mix in to the meat in a large bowl, mix in a lot of crushed ritz crackers. Then mix in BBQ (Slap daddy); Worchershire suace; garlic powder; onion powder and black ground pepper. Then I mix in Flying Swine original rub (liberally). Form up into 3 bread pans (lined with wrap), then freeze for 6-7 hours. Bring it out of the freezer and use more of the BBQ on top and the sides and finish with additional Flying Swine.

I cook at 255 degrees for 5 1/2 hours. I made 3 loafs tonight and we are down to 1 1/2 left because my boys ate like champs. Best meatloaf ever--recipe is on meatchurch.com throughh a youtube video.

Put the meatloaf right on the rack completely uncovered.

Wait till I tell you about the smoked block of cream cheese that smokes for 2 hours.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

wow that sounds amazing. I bet that meat just shreds with a spoon.

Meatloaf is fantastic. I use 4.5 lbs of 85/15 ground beef to make 3 loafs. I chop up 1 1/2 vidalia onions; mix in to the meat in a large bowl, mix in a lot of crushed ritz crackers. Then mix in BBQ (Slap daddy); Worchershire suace; garlic powder; onion powder and black ground pepper. Then I mix in Flying Swine original rub (liberally). Form up into 3 bread pans (lined with wrap), then freeze for 6-7 hours. Bring it out of the freezer and use more of the BBQ on top and the sides and finish with additional Flying Swine.

I cook at 255 degrees for 5 1/2 hours. I made 3 loafs tonight and we are down to 1 1/2 left because my boys ate like champs. Best meatloaf ever--recipe is on meatchurch.com throughh a youtube video.

Put the meatloaf right on the rack completely uncovered.

Wait till I tell you about the smoked block of cream cheese that smokes for 2 hours.

Love it! That sound delish. Never had flying swine rub. And the freeze...hmmm interesting. I'm definitely going to give that a shot. I haven't had meatloaf in awhile, but a smoked version sounds really good!

 

[snarlcakes]

Our own Snarlcakes should be added to the Trump team of insiders without a doubt.

I’d be honored. Anything for the good of the team.

 

[snarlcakes]

Trump’s no dummy. He isn’t giving away his Bitcoin. Her trashy ass is getting shitty cash.

 

[snarlcakes]

wow that sounds amazing. I bet that meat just shreds with a spoon.

Meatloaf is fantastic. I use 4.5 lbs of 85/15 ground beef to make 3 loafs. I chop up 1 1/2 vidalia onions; mix in to the meat in a large bowl, mix in a lot of crushed ritz crackers. Then mix in BBQ (Slap daddy); Worchershire suace; garlic powder; onion powder and black ground pepper. Then I mix in Flying Swine original rub (liberally). Form up into 3 bread pans (lined with wrap), then freeze for 6-7 hours. Bring it out of the freezer and use more of the BBQ on top and the sides and finish with additional Flying Swine.

I cook at 255 degrees for 5 1/2 hours. I made 3 loafs tonight and we are down to 1 1/2 left because my boys ate like champs. Best meatloaf ever--recipe is on meatchurch.com throughh a youtube video.

Put the meatloaf right on the rack completely uncovered.

Wait till I tell you about the smoked block of cream cheese that smokes for 2 hours.

Sounds good. HC Tavern is a really good restaurant in Fishers. They have a wagyu meatloaf that is awesome. I haven’t had anything there that wasn’t great. Nice ambiance and location as well.

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[DANC]

Maybe.

Edit to add: There is also the issue of prosecution for the purpose of retrieving the documents and getting them back into the hands of the government where they belong.

We don't know whether Pence and Biden still kept any classified documents after being asked to return them. It's clear Trump was not going to return the documents without being forced to. That's on Trump entirely.

Yes we do know that the FBI went to another Biden location and found documents that weren't turned over the first time.

"Here you go - this is all we've got. What? You found more? Oh, sorry about that".

 

[DANC]

There must have been a better way to pay Stormy than use business accounts. Especially given the business laws in the State of New York about which the Trump team should be well versed.

You would think Trump and his lawyers were smarter.

That's the biggest indicator he's innocent.

He could have easily hidden $130k in other miscellaneous accounts. You may not like him, but he's not stupid.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

It's insane to think that we're talking about a situation in which someone was absolutely targeted and unfairly prosecuted for a crime that he, without a doubt, absolutely did commit.

If only the party of law and order cared so much about all felons

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I'm not suggesting Trump be allowed to break the law however he'd like, when and wherever he would like. If I were, I'd be saying every single prosecution against him is unwise--and I'm not saying that.

Nope, just indicating some laws should just be ignored because the felon that broke them was previously in the White house.

 

[DANC]

First, they called a ton of witnesses.

Second, if the former president of the united states tells everyone for 2 years that he is going to testify and that none of this is true, and then doesn't----the jury knows he isn't testifying because he's a liar--and a habitual one at that. Don't be so damn myopic. Plenty of defendants testify in criminal trials when they have the factual basis for telling the right narrative. Trump did not. You are missing the point--all the matters is the perception of the jury.

None of the witnesses, other than Cohen, claimed Trump did anything illegal.

I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to be. But the old addage I've always heard is, you don't call a defendant to testify unless there is some compelling reason to do so. It's too easy to misremember or get caught in a perjury trap for contradicting something you might have said 10 years ago.

I think it's easy for someone who is anti-Trump anyway to claim he should have testified. I doubt you can find many defense attorneys who would agree, in this case.

 

[BradStevens]

Santa Monica and downtown Los Angeles are both in Los Angeles county. As a juror in Los Angeles county, you aren't assigned to the courthouse closest to you. You are assigned where juries are needed as long as the court is within 20 miles of you. All the time I've lived in Santa Monica, I've been assigned to the downtown courthouse for jury duty more than the SM one because a ton more trials are done downtown (which is significantly larger and better staffed) than in SM. I've actually been assigned to the airport courthouse more than the Santa Monica one.

This is the kind of thing I've always read by those who followed the trial and had the knowledge. Maybe they changed things up after the Simpson verdict because they recognized this was an issue?

The O. J. Simpson Trial: The Jury

"The racial composition of the jury was strongly influenced by the decision of the prosecution to file the Simpson case in downtown Los Angeles rather than--as is usually the case-- in the judicial district where the crime occurred-- in this case, Santa Monica. Had the case be filed in Santa Monica, the Simpson jury would have been mostly white instead of, as was the case, mostly African-American. With poll data showing that most whites believed Simpson to be guilty and most blacks believing him to be not guilty, the decision to file the case in Santa Monica may have been the biggest mistake the prosecution made. Vincent Bugliosi, the celebrated prosecutor in the Charles Manson case, said the mistake "dwarfed anything the defense did.""

 

[DANC]

Sorry DANC, there's little point in responding to someone like you. You and I live in very different worlds, only one of which includes any semblance of reality. I'd point you to this article, but I don't think there's any point in that.

If a person only hears what they want to hear, closes their ears to obviously insane rhetoric "on their side", views life as only a one-way street where they get to insist and demand what they want without any recognition of their own beyond-obviously flawed positions, engages in extreme personal rhetoric and complains when others "on the other side" do even a minimal amount of the same, openly relies on famously hyper-partisan and un-serious news sources, doesn't hesitate even a little to say the worst things about other posters with whom which they aren't personally familiar, and makes remarks that reasonable people can find offensive and tone-deaf, conversation is not really something to be had.

You could have saved youself a lot of words if you'd just said you have no other examples.

Making broad claims about Trump without any backup facts is pretty SOP for TDS posters here.

 

[DANC]

Really? Well someone certainly must have thought so. Make that twelve someones.

Twelve someones from a pool of 85% Democrats.

Don't be naive.

 

[DANC]

💯. I was offering moral support in light of the Danc assault 😄

"assault"?

 

[DANC]

Juries frequently believe a witness who is a "convicted liar". This is nothing new, plus Cohen's testimony was corroborated by documents and other witnesses.

And, Cohen was not the only witness -- David Pecker, Stormy Daniels and the financial witnesses were also important for the prosecution.

Trump should have taken the stand only if his testimony appeared likely to make the jury believe that Trump was not trying to influence the election when the documents were falsified. It isn't clear that his testimony would do that.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the porn star, who was only called in to provide irrelevant details about the sex act itself. Yeah, she was real convincing.....

Pecker said the 'catch and kill' actions were common and done all the time. There was certainly no damage to Trump in his testimony.

This was a done deal before the trial ever started, and particularly when the judge gave instructions to the jury to select from a smorgasbord of crimes that they didn't even have to all agree to.

It wouldn't have mattered either way if Trump took the stand.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Twelve someones from a pool of 85% Democrats.

Don't be naive.

Oh I’m sorry. I guess they didn’t let Trump’s lawyers have any jury input?

 

[shouldhavebeenLars]

Haha. The only group that rioted because they didn’t like an election was the J 6 morons, led by King Insurrectionist himself.

Also, there was plenty of rioting after the 2016 election. You either weren't paying attention or willfully choose to have selective memory.

Just be careful what you wish for. Seems libs got their wish. They may regret it when it bites them in the ass.

 

[zeke4ahs]

You could have saved youself a lot of words if you'd just said you have no other examples.

Making broad claims about Trump without any backup facts is pretty SOP for TDR posters here.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah you really got him.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the porn star, who was only called in to provide irrelevant details about the sex act itself. Yeah, she was real convincing.....

Pecker said the 'catch and kill' actions were common and done all the time. There was certainly no damage to Trump in his testimony.

This was a done deal before the trial ever started, and particularly when the judge gave instructions to the jury to select from a smorgasbord of crimes that they didn't even have to all agree to.

It wouldn't have mattered either way if Trump took the stand.

You have zero credibility here. You've destroyed it many, many months back.

 

[DANC]

"Uh, I think you left out the small detail of Clinton paying Russians for dirt on Trump..... but that's not colluding with Russians, is it?"


Is that what happened? Got a link?

To quote Goat: "google it"

You surely aren't this dense.