University faculty research funding cuts

[mcmurtry66]

University professors face uncertain future after research grants terminated by Trump

University professors say the termination of federal funding could lead the United States to relinquish its global competitive advantage when it comes to higher education and scientific research.

www.yahoo.com

Climate stretched to national security interests. Lgbqt aging. I mean i hate to say it but does sound like bullshit. Like made up funding for made up jobs.

Cancer. Duh. So many topics. But cutting the funding for jobs that honestly sound like for the sake of giving these people something to do I suspect is long overdue

 

[Bub_rub]

University professors face uncertain future after research grants terminated by Trump

University professors say the termination of federal funding could lead the United States to relinquish its global competitive advantage when it comes to higher education and scientific research.

www.yahoo.com

Climate stretched to national security interests. Lgbqt aging. I mean i hate to say it but does sound like bullshit. Like made up funding for made up jobs.

Cancer. Duh. So many topics. But cutting the funding for jobs that honestly sound like for the sake of giving these people something to do I suspect is long overdue

I believe the DOD was funding climate research long before it became a hot button political issue.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I believe the DOD was funding climate research long before it became a hot button political issue.

This is true. They have long considered it a national security issue. Of course, Pentagon brass could probably justify calling anything a national security issue.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I believe the DOD was funding climate research long before it became a hot button political issue.

Could be. I’m not sure why that’s germane to the question of whether we need to be funding climate matters in developing countries for faculty members at Ivy League schools. Much less lgbqt aging. All of this stuff is a drop in the ocean to where our debt comes from: wars, Covid, entitlements etc. but that doesn’t speak to the principle of 1) our money and 2) doing what we can that’s easier

As a taxpayer I appreciate at least feigning like they’re desirous of being better stewards of my money

 

[Bub_rub]

Could be. I’m not sure why that’s germane to the question of whether we need to be funding climate matters in developing countries for faculty members at Ivy League schools. Much less lgbqt aging. All of this stuff is a drop in the ocean to where our debt comes from: wars, Covid, entitlements etc. but that doesn’t speak to the principle of 1) our money and 2) doing what we can that’s easier

As a taxpayer I appreciate at least feigning like they’re desirous of being better stewards of my money

Sure, let’s dig into it. but being the world’s only hyper power has costs, no?

We’re not digging and analyzing, just cutting and demonizing all the institutions of Liberal Democracy while condemning almost any research of any kind.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sure, let’s dig into it. but being the world’s only hyper power has costs, no?

We’re not digging and analyzing, just cutting and demonizing all the institutions of Liberal Democracy while condemning almost any research of any kind.

That’s overgeneralizing. For once we have a gov examining and questioning where our tax dollars go. Have you spent any time at a university? The amount of stupid shit funded can only be deemed for the sake of “making work.”

I don’t disagree that it’s coming under the guise of demonizing liberal U’s. That’s unfortunate. But it doesn’t detract from the fact, or at least it shouldn’t, that the gravy train needs to end. We don’t need gov funding six fix salaries at schools to study whatever million issues they can dream up about lgbqt or whatever so they have something to do

1.6 mil for 3 years for his climate shit at an Ivy League. No. That’s made up work

 

[snarlcakes]

Could be. I’m not sure why that’s germane to the question of whether we need to be funding climate matters in developing countries for faculty members at Ivy League schools. Much less lgbqt aging. All of this stuff is a drop in the ocean to where our debt comes from: wars, Covid, entitlements etc. but that doesn’t speak to the principle of 1) our money and 2) doing what we can that’s easier

As a taxpayer I appreciate at least feigning like they’re desirous of being better stewards of my money

It’s the dumbest f#cking shit. We could be buying Bitcoin, but instead we’re funding queer studies and climate change. Stupid people.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It’s the dumbest f#cking shit. We could be buying Bitcoin, but instead we’re funding queer studies and climate change. Stupid people.

I have this job. I have to do research to keep this job. Let’s see. What can I think of that I could research and get money for. It’s just made up work

 

[Bub_rub]

That’s overgeneralizing. For once we have a gov examining and questioning where our tax dollars go. Have you spent any time at a university? The amount of stupid shit funded can only be deemed for the sake of “making work.”

I don’t disagree that it’s coming under the guise of demonizing liberal U’s. That’s unfortunate. But it doesn’t detract from the fact, or at least it shouldn’t, that the gravy train needs to end. We don’t need gov funding six fix salaries at schools to study whatever million issues they can dream up about lgbqt or whatever

1.6 mil for 3 years for his climate shit at an Ivy League. No. That’s made up work

Who’s overgeneralizing here? It’s all just making work? Just a gravy train? Whatever million issues they can just dream up?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This is true. They have long considered it a national security issue. Of course, Pentagon brass could probably justify calling anything a national security issue.

If climate change is a national security issue, let Homeland Security study it. If climate change affects foreign politics, then the state department should study it. The DoD is all about keeping the military in a state of readiness, and developing new weapons and associated hardware so the military can do its job. I don’t see how climate change fits into the DoD job description.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who’s overgeneralizing here? It’s all just making work? Just a gravy train? Whatever million issues they can just dream up?

Hyperbolic sure. But the point stands re made up work etc. LGBTQ aging. I love seeing this shit get closer scrutiny

 

[snarlcakes]

I have this job. I have to do research to keep this job. Let’s see. What can I think of that I could research and get money for. It’s just made up work

Jobs program

 

[mcmurtry66]

If climate change is a national security issue, let Homeland Security study it. If climate change affects foreign politics, then the state department should study it. The DoD is all about keeping the military in a state of readiness, and developing new weapons and associated hardware so the military can do its job. I don’t see how climate change fits into the DoD job description.

Exactly. If it’s related fund it internally. Enough with these universities. Cut em. Raise taxes on endowments.

 

[Bub_rub]

If climate change is a national security issue, let Homeland Security study it. If climate change affects foreign politics, then the state department should study it. The DoD is all about keeping the military in a state of readiness, and developing new weapons and associated hardware so the military can do its job. I don’t see how climate change fits into the DoD job description.

you don’t think a changing climate should be a concern of the people who fight and prevent wars?

Why?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Jobs program

What’s kind of scary and sad is that woke Biden and Harris followed by Musk has crystallized just how far apart the sides are on really fundamental things. Our governance. How we see public institutions/organizations. Ideology. The role of gov. Trust. I never thought we were this far apart as people

 

[CO. Hoosier]

University professors face uncertain future after research grants terminated by Trump

University professors say the termination of federal funding could lead the United States to relinquish its global competitive advantage when it comes to higher education and scientific research.

www.yahoo.com

Climate stretched to national security interests. Lgbqt aging. I mean i hate to say it but does sound like bullshit. Like made up funding for made up jobs.

Cancer. Duh. So many topics. But cutting the funding for jobs that honestly sound like for the sake of giving these people something to do I suspect is long overdue

I’ve talked to an RN about old sex-changed people with chronic conditions and they are a medical disaster. Of course these are people in a hospital, so the sample isn’t random. The point is what is the public purpose in studying this issue? Studying aging might be worthwhile, but I don’t see why this cohort needs a special study.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I’ve talked to an RN about old sex-changed people with chronic conditions and they are a medical disaster. Of course these are people in a hospital, so the sample isn’t random. The point is what is the public purpose in studying this issue? Studying aging might be worthwhile, but I don’t see why this cohort needs a special study.

Research assistants. Fourth post doc. Apply for more grants. Keep it going. Obviously some is vital. Obviously some isn’t. Cut what isn’t

 

[twenty02]

What’s kind of scary and sad is that woke Biden and Harris followed by Musk has crystallized just how far apart the sides are on really fundamental things. Our governance. How we see public institutions/organizations. Ideology. The role of gov. Trust. I never thought we were this far apart as people

Don't confuse the people with the political parties. Parties now only play to the extremes.

We're in a bad place

 

[mcmurtry66]

Don't confuse the people with the political parties. Parties now only play to the extremes.

We're in a bad place

I’m not. I’m beginning to think parties actually represent the people. We’re seeing it play out on this board. Perhaps the parties are pushing the edges but we’re seeing fundamental differences in beliefs. As I said. Trust. Role of gov in our lives. Etc

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I’m not. I’m beginning to think parties actually represent the people. We’re seeing it play out on this board. Perhaps the parties are pushing the edges but we’re seeing fundamental differences in beliefs. As I said. Trust. Role of gov in our lives. Etc

I think the vast majority of voters probably couldn't form the first coherent thought about the "role of gov in our lives." I think the parties at this point just offer people a set of platitudes that don't amount to much more than a jersey to rally around. The interest groups that drive policy, sure, they are headed by people who understand the issues - at least the ones they care about. But the masses that are persuaded by these groups, they just follow slogans.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think the vast majority of voters probably couldn't form the first coherent thought about the "role of gov in our lives." I think the parties at this point just offer people a set of platitudes that don't amount to much more than a jersey to rally around. The interest groups that drive policy, sure, they are headed by people who understand the issues - at least the ones they care about. But the masses that are persuaded by these groups, they just follow slogans.

Just bc they can’t articulate it doesn’t mean that the parties aren’t representing their beliefs. You can reduce it to pretty basic shit and I suspect get answers that support my proposition re the role of gov in our lives etc. I think twenty is wrong at this point and I’m right. I hope it’s the opposite and I’m wrong. Clearly

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think the vast majority of voters probably couldn't form the first coherent thought about the "role of gov in our lives." I think the parties at this point just offer people a set of platitudes that don't amount to much more than a jersey to rally around. The interest groups that drive policy, sure, they are headed by people who understand the issues - at least the ones they care about. But the masses that are persuaded by these groups, they just follow slogans.

I think we are more divided over fundamental issues than I would have imagined.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I think the vast majority of voters probably couldn't form the first coherent thought about the "role of gov in our lives." I think the parties at this point just offer people a set of platitudes that don't amount to much more than a jersey to rally around. The interest groups that drive policy, sure, they are headed by people who understand the issues - at least the ones they care about. But the masses that are persuaded by these groups, they just follow slogans.

I think that correct and is a big reason lobbyists, rent seekers, academics,, bureaucrats, and of course politicians who sell power and influence have driven government so far off the rails.

I remember the Golden Fleece Awards given Senator Proxmire. One of the best things a Democrat has done. Despite Proxmire’s efforts, the problem has gotten exponentially worse both in direct governments grants, but shoveling huge sums to NGO’s run by politically connected people or relatives of public officials.

Golden Fleece Award - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I think we are more divided over fundamental issues than I would have imagined.

I definitely agree with this. I just think we've gotten to the point where the most fundamental issue for too many of us is, "Are you on my team or the other team?"

 

[CO. Hoosier]

"Are you on my team or the other team?"

Yep. Paying attention to issues takes work. It’s much easier to protest any position taken by the wrong side than to figure out if the position makes sense.

And it’s not just the people, it has subverted our elected officials as well. Any politician who pledges to “work across the aisle” is lying. All important votes are strict party line votes.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I think we are more divided over fundamental issues than I would have imagined.

Eh . . .not so sure. I think we are divided over the people more than the issues.

 

[twenty02]

I think we are more divided over fundamental issues than I would have imagined.

I completely disagree. The only parties interested in non-stop division are the the two parties. It's why party identification is at an all time low. Plurality of the country hates both parties.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I completely disagree. The only parties interested in non-stop division are the the two parties. It's why party identification is at an all time low. Plurality of the country hates both parties.

Hopefully you’re right

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I completely disagree. The only parties interested in non-stop division are the the two parties. It's why party identification is at an all time low. Plurality of the country hates both parties.

disagree. Who would have thought that a Republican president showcases electric cars at the White House while leftist protestors firebomb electric cars in various places. That’s not the political parties. That’s the voting public.

We’ve heard pretty consistently that Trump is Hitler and a Nazi, yet protestors take over his building because his administration arrested with the intention to deport a Jew hating Nazi, These are voters, not party leaders.
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[twenty02]

disagree. Who would have thought that a Republican president showcases electric cars at the White House while leftist protestors firebomb electric cars in various places. That’s not the political parties. That’s the voting public.

We’ve heard pretty consistently that Trump is Hitler and a Nazi, yet protestors take over his building because his administration arrested with the intention to deport a Jew hating Nazi, These are voters, not party leaders.
.

Everything you wrote proves my point, exactly

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

I completely disagree. The only parties interested in non-stop division are the the two parties. It's why party identification is at an all time low. Plurality of the country hates both parties.

I would like this to be correct.

 

[twenty02]

I would like this to be correct.

This poll is a couple years old but still....

Americans Value U.S. Role as Scientific Leader, but 38% Say Country Is Losing Ground Globally

Large majorities value government investments in science and consider it important for the United States to be a world leader in scientific achievement, but few think the country is gaining ground globally.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Everything you wrote proves my point, exactly

Explain.