Trump Zelensky today.....

[twenty02]

Hell no, not if she's Jewish! Now, is she were Christian, then yeah, sure, I'd be OK with it. Thankfully you included that relevant detail to help me make a better decision.

Now that I've researched her a bit, though, she's pretty damned impressive:

Claudia Sheinbaum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mas going after Jews?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Hell no, not if she's Jewish! Now, is she were Christian, then yeah, sure, I'd be OK with it. Thankfully you included that relevant detail to help me make a better decision.

Now that I've researched her a bit, though, she's pretty damned impressive:

Claudia Sheinbaum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like always, always referring to 'Billionaire' Elon Musk
Got it!

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Do you think Colonel Douglas Mcgregor is legit? Or Jeffrey Sachs? I heard them both on Tucker's podcast (can't stand Tucker) and I find them interesting. Hard to believe that they are Putin lovers.

Check out Prof. John Mearshimer,
Get a free subscription to Substack.
Check out Judge Andrew Napolitano, 'Judging Freedom'.
Check out 'Amuse on X'

Straight up Russian...

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

He is just quoting official Russian propaganda about fictitious biolabs. Yet he bristles about being called a Russian asset. I don't know what else to call someone who takes everything the FSB says as gospel.

..'fictitious biolab'.....

Our Director of National Intelligence disagrees with your lie.

 

[ribbont]

Ya, God forbid a nation on Russia’s border should have the right to choose their own path, like the Baltic countries have been doing for 30 years.

Now populists want the world to accept that democracy depends on how far you are away from one-party superpowers? And Liberal Democracies just need to accept it? Where was this talk during his first term?

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

..'fictitious biolab'.....

Our Director of National Intelligence disagrees with your lie.

Ignoring her backtrack are you

Tulsi Gabbard Clarifies Ukraine Bio Labs Remarks After Widespread Outrage

The former Democratic congresswoman was accused of being a "Russian asset" for her comments about biological labs in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Ignoring her backtrack are you

Tulsi Gabbard Clarifies Ukraine Bio Labs Remarks After Widespread Outrage

The former Democratic congresswoman was accused of being a "Russian asset" for her comments about biological labs in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

She didn't backtrack SHIT!
There are several MILLION dead across the world from EXACTLY this kind of doublespeak Orwellien parsing of terms.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

Well, ya see, that's different...

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

She didn't backtrack SHIT!
There are several MILLION dead across the world from EXACTLY this kind of doublespeak Orwellien parsing of terms.

The Ukrainian bioweapons lab nonsense is straight up Russian disinformation and propaganda. Of course you spread that disinformation.

 

[Bub_rub]

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what nations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what n?ations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

The Bank of Unique Ability is broke; $36Trillion and fading fast...
Feelz good ran out several 10s of thousands of new graves ago..

Time for a new Paradigm .

 

[ribbont]

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what nations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

Didn't Victoria Nuland select Zelenskyy after deciding Klitchko was not suitable for NATO(US) employment?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Didn't Victoria Nuland select Zelenskyy after deciding Klitchko was not suitable for NATO(US) employment?

How many NATO troops were involved?

BTW, where are all those NATO casualties you knew about early on in that war?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

How many NATO troops were involved?

BTW, where are all those NATO casualties you knew about early on in that war?

Some of them are found dead of undisclosed cause in places far away from their previous duty station, coincidentally following a strike on NATO(US) assets in Ukraine.

 

[Bub_rub]

The Bank of Unique Ability is broke; $36Trillion and fading fast...
Feelz good ran out several 10s of thousands of new graves ago..

Time for a new Paradigm .

We didn’t put all $36 Trillion into worldwide democracy; Boomers et al. have a lot of it sitting in their homes and IRA accounts.

I don’t think you’d be as enthused if you thought out what a paradigm shift like that would entail.
Having other countries dictating US security and fiscal policy? Hong Kong-like regressions in personal liberties dotting the globe? China, Canada, Mexico forcing policy concessions via trade wars? That’s the game we are playing.

 

[Bub_rub]

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

More so than the Russians did or would, by a large margin. Being our partner requires certain behaviors. All but the top dogs have to bend the knee occasionally, even countries as rich and strong as the UK, France, Germany, Japan. A story as old as time.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Some of them are found dead of undisclosed cause in places far away from their previous duty station, coincidentally following a strike on NATO(US) assets in Ukraine.

God, there is nothing you won’t believe and nothing you will source.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

God, there is nothing you won’t believe and nothing you will source.

He’s so far gone he can never return to the real and rational world. It’s very sad.

 

[ribbont]

More so than the Russians did or would, by a large margin. Being our partner requires certain behaviors. All but the top dogs have to bend the knee occasionally, even countries as rich and strong as the UK, France, Germany, Japan. A story as old as time.

We had no national security interest in Ukraine. Russia did and does. Of course it will try to influence Ukraine more than us. Duh. But why so much interest by the US in 2014? Why should the US have cared so much to threaten a sovereign nation's president to fire its Prosecutor General?

 

[Bub_rub]

We had no national security interest in Ukraine. Russia did and does. Of course it will try to influence Ukraine more than us. Duh. But why so much interest by the US in 2014? Why should the US have cared so much to threaten a sovereign nation's president to fire its Prosecutor General?

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

-Ministry of Truth, '1984'

 

[ribbont]

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

Yeah. I used to think that way. Now I see it as arrogance. We think we can, no, we should, make every nation like ours, under the banner of "spreading democracy." And where has it gotten us over the past 35 years? Multiple wars, thousands dead, trillions spent, only to be no closer to "world peace" that where we started.

I think we need a new approach. One that doesn't have us as the world's police. One where we understand we don't need to control and manipulate every country. One that keeps our nose out of others countries business, unless 1) they ask, or 2) it is for our defense. I realize that the defense part can be murky, but we need to be wiser in our decision making.

 

[Bub_rub]

-Ministry of Truth, '1984'

Haha. Hey, I can’t get with that characterization, for sure. At our core I think humans are still in our “conquered, we conquer” mode. But you’ve got to realize there are some trade offs adult humans, as individuals or as nations, make when it comes to how to best live and how to provide for oneself and loved ones. You pick the least bad option when the all others are horrific.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yeah. I used to think that way. Now I see it as arrogance. We think we can, no, we should, make every nation like ours, under the banner of "spreading democracy." And where has it gotten us over the past 35 years? Multiple wars, thousands dead, trillions spent, only to be no closer to "world peace" that where we started.

I think we need a new approach. One that doesn't have us as the world's police. One where we understand we don't need to control and manipulate every country. One that keeps our nose out of others countries business, unless 1) they ask, or 2) it is for our defense. I realize that the defense part can be murky, but we need to be wiser in our decision making.

Hubris

 

[DANC]

Do you think Colonel Douglas Mcgregor is legit? Or Jeffrey Sachs? I heard them both on Tucker's podcast (can't stand Tucker) and I find them interesting. Hard to believe that they are Putin lovers.

I don't know Sachs. I only hard Macgregor when he was on Fox on Tucker's show.

I have no idea what his deal is. I know many were against aid to Ukraine because Biden supported Ukraine and, obviously, the Bidens benefitted monetarily from Hunter's influence peddling in that country.

But that was before Zelensky was elected and I think he was elected because he wasn't part of the political corruption there. He was pretty middle of the road, as I remember it.

I don't know what Macgregor's deal is, but every prediction he's made has been wrong. Not only that, but I find him personally repugnant - just an arrogant prick.

I just find it really odd that an enemy we've built up a huge military to fight for over 80 years suddenly turns into the victim with these guys.

 

[DANC]

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

One difference is that Cuba did not have an elected government. Castro took over by force, helpe by the Soviet Union.

Ukraine is a democracy - one whose sovereignty both the US and Russia agreed to support.

On the surface, they look like similar situations, but the circumstances are different.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I don't know Sachs. I only hard Macgregor when he was on Fox on Tucker's show.

I have no idea what his deal is. I know many were against aid to Ukraine because Biden supported Ukraine and, obviously, the Bidens benefitted monetarily from Hunter's influence peddling in that country.

But that was before Zelensky was elected and I think he was elected because he wasn't part of the political corruption there. He was pretty middle of the road, as I remember it.

I don't know what Macgregor's deal is, but every prediction he's made has been wrong. Not only that, but I find him personally repugnant - just an arrogant prick.

I just find it really odd that an enemy we've built up a huge military to fight for over 80 years suddenly turns into the victim with these guys.

Macgregor knows what he is talking about,
tactically, historically, ideologically. He has the experience, education and commanded real shooters in real war.
..'suddenly turns into a victim'....
You are so wrong-headed on this entire Russia, Russia, Russia mantra . To say every prediction he has made is wrong simply illustrates your ****ing ignorance of what he has warned about time after time. NATO(US) has provoked Russia continually for 60 years and now finds itself painted into a corner. There is no way The West comes out on top in this one. Putin, for better of worse, holds the cards.
Virulent jingoists such as you and your rhetoric have dragged the US to the edge of a very, very dangerous place.

 

[ribbont]

I don't know Sachs. I only hard Macgregor when he was on Fox on Tucker's show.

I have no idea what his deal is. I know many were against aid to Ukraine because Biden supported Ukraine and, obviously, the Bidens benefitted monetarily from Hunter's influence peddling in that country.

But that was before Zelensky was elected and I think he was elected because he wasn't part of the political corruption there. He was pretty middle of the road, as I remember it.

I don't know what Macgregor's deal is, but every prediction he's made has been wrong. Not only that, but I find him personally repugnant - just an arrogant prick.

I just find it really odd that an enemy we've built up a huge military to fight for over 80 years suddenly turns into the victim with these guys.

Well, I appreciate the response. I didn't get that sense from him during his recent hour long talk with Tucker. Sachs is a Harvard prof with 40 plus years in international economics who designed Poland's economic recovery after the wall fell.

Both of them, along with many others believe that while Putin is an evil dictator, US policy since the wall fell has backed Russia and Putin into a corner over the past 30+ years. NATO movement towards Russia has made it very defensive. We have broken many promises ourselves.

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

Well, I appreciate the response. I didn't get that sense from him during his recent hour long talk with Tucker. Sachs is a Harvard prof with 40 plus years in international economics who designed Poland's economic recovery after the wall fell.

Both of them, along with many others believe that while Putin is an evil dictator, US policy since the wall fell has backed Russia and Putin into a corner over the past 30+ years. NATO movement towards Russia has made it very defensive. We have broken many promises ourselves.

I think back in the day, there was this naive, aspirational view among many (rarely spoken of in detail, but teased a few times in interviews) that the future of Europe would eventually involve a great NATO-Russia partnership (perhaps even with Russia as a full member), which on a global scale, the West could use to balance against China. Honestly, it's really Putin's rise to power that made such a partnership impossible. Had Russia moved in a different direction post-Yelstin, it may have been in the cards.

 

[ribbont]

The Ukrainian bioweapons lab nonsense is straight up Russian disinformation and propaganda. Of course you spread that

So are bioweapons labs better or worse than biological labs? Now that we've seen what covid can do.

 

[Bub_rub]

Macgregor knows what he is talking about,
tactically, historically, ideologically. He has the experience, education and commanded real shooters in real war.
..'suddenly turns into a victim'....
You are so wrong-headed on this entire Russia, Russia, Russia mantra . To say every prediction he has made is wrong simply illustrates your ****ing ignorance of what he has warned about time after time. NATO(US) has provoked Russia continually for 60 years and now finds itself painted into a corner. There is no way The West comes out on top in this one. Putin, for better of worse, holds the cards.
Virulent jingoists such as you and your rhetoric have dragged the US to the edge of a very, very dangerous place.

The Soviet Union provoked NATO into existence.

The only card Putin holds is that no western nations want to get involved in a major war. That’s it. That’s the whole shebang. His goal is to have dominant influence over Ukraine. He army was too weak to topple its govt outright so the long game has become waiting out the western coalition. He’s had some success here but that all that did was wake Europe up. In 1 1/2 years he’ll likely be facing a less compliant US Congress. I’m 3 1/2 years he’ll have to deal with a new prez. He’s got demographic issues out the ass and that was before he started feeding the meat grinder. He’s slipping generations behind on technology. His “friends” like China and India just want his resources as they try to build out their economies. And all the while, palace intrigue swirls around him.

So, ya, he’s got that one card.

 

[ribbont]

One difference is that Cuba did not have an elected government. Castro took over by force, helpe by the Soviet Union.

Ukraine is a democracy - one whose sovereignty both the US and Russia agreed to support.

On the surface, they look like similar situations, but the circumstances are different.

Some would argue we took over Ukraine's govt by force.

Glenn Greenwald: U.S. Role In Ukrainian Coup Revealed (w/ Scott Horton)

By Glenn Greenwald / System Update

scheerpost.com

I find Greenwald to be an independent, honest journalist and respect his take and Horton's.

 

[ribbont]

I think back in the day, there was this naive, aspirational view among many (rarely spoken of in detail, but teased a few times in interviews) that the future of Europe would eventually involve a great NATO-Russia partnership (perhaps even with Russia as a full member), which on a global scale, the West could use to balance against China. Honestly, it's really Putin's rise to power that made such a partnership impossible. Had Russia moved in a different direction post-Yelstin, it may have been in the cards.

What time period are you thinking?

 

[Bub_rub]

Some would argue we took over Ukraine's govt by force.

Glenn Greenwald: U.S. Role In Ukrainian Coup Revealed (w/ Scott Horton)

By Glenn Greenwald / System Update

scheerpost.com

I find Greenwald to be an independent, honest journalist and respect his take and Horton's.

He seems to list lots of culprit organizations but fails to offer a smoking gun. by force? huh?

92% of Ukrainians voted for independence., are we to believe they did so at gunpoint? Ukraine then flirted with the West, flirted back with Russia, before settling on Western orientation. Did the US have its tentacles in all that? it sure did, with bipartisan support in the US. but so did Russia and probably a half dozen other countries with a vested interest in the outcome. To that I'd say, welcome to earth.

What I find rich, and this isn't directed at you, is the reverse engineering of Ukraine's independence that's taken place in the last 6 weeks. F*cking maddening. The fall of the USSR and the rise of independent states around it have been well documented. Lots of people were paying attention the whole time but now, suddenly, the populists are doing their "homework," starting with the false premise that Ukraine was turned to the west by force. some very bonkers shit right there.

It was disgusting when the left decided to rewrite Levant history to justify 10/7. but at least with that you could squint your eyes and maybe find some nefarious crap the Israelis had done. maybe. but this? it's a full rewrite; it's a brand new script written by dumbasses. Ukrainians chose independence and chose a path leading west. that's the starting point.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Some would argue we took over Ukraine's govt by force.

Glenn Greenwald: U.S. Role In Ukrainian Coup Revealed (w/ Scott Horton)

By Glenn Greenwald / System Update

scheerpost.com

I find Greenwald to be an independent, honest journalist and respect his take and Horton's.

When Greenwald and Taibbi wrote for Rolling Stone and Mother Jones, the Bolshevik establishment loved them.

Over the past few years, as they reported on the corruption and crimes of the left, this adulation waned.

Wonder why?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Interesting poll results, only 2 percent are sympathetic towards Russia in their war against Ukraine. However, 49 percent think our President's sympathies are with Russia over Ukraine.

Poll: Most Americans are rooting for Ukraine. But nearly half think Trump prefers Russia.

The NBC News poll shows 49% of registered voters think Trump sympathizes with Russia in its war against Ukraine, while only 2% support Russia themselves and 61% back Ukraine.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Spartans9312]

 

[ribbont]

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What does "help" mean? More money and weapons so they can keep killing each other? Or negotiate a peace deal to stop the war?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

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Quite a shift.

I wonder what public polling would show for a new Ukraine tax in order to fund “doing more”.