Trump Zelensky today.....

[twenty02]

Hell no, not if she's Jewish! Now, is she were Christian, then yeah, sure, I'd be OK with it. Thankfully you included that relevant detail to help me make a better decision.

Now that I've researched her a bit, though, she's pretty damned impressive:

Claudia Sheinbaum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mas going after Jews?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Hell no, not if she's Jewish! Now, is she were Christian, then yeah, sure, I'd be OK with it. Thankfully you included that relevant detail to help me make a better decision.

Now that I've researched her a bit, though, she's pretty damned impressive:

Claudia Sheinbaum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like always, always referring to 'Billionaire' Elon Musk
Got it!

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Do you think Colonel Douglas Mcgregor is legit? Or Jeffrey Sachs? I heard them both on Tucker's podcast (can't stand Tucker) and I find them interesting. Hard to believe that they are Putin lovers.

Check out Prof. John Mearshimer,
Get a free subscription to Substack.
Check out Judge Andrew Napolitano, 'Judging Freedom'.
Check out 'Amuse on X'

Straight up Russian...

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

He is just quoting official Russian propaganda about fictitious biolabs. Yet he bristles about being called a Russian asset. I don't know what else to call someone who takes everything the FSB says as gospel.

..'fictitious biolab'.....

Our Director of National Intelligence disagrees with your lie.

 

[ribbont]

Ya, God forbid a nation on Russia’s border should have the right to choose their own path, like the Baltic countries have been doing for 30 years.

Now populists want the world to accept that democracy depends on how far you are away from one-party superpowers? And Liberal Democracies just need to accept it? Where was this talk during his first term?

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

..'fictitious biolab'.....

Our Director of National Intelligence disagrees with your lie.

Ignoring her backtrack are you

Tulsi Gabbard Clarifies Ukraine Bio Labs Remarks After Widespread Outrage

The former Democratic congresswoman was accused of being a "Russian asset" for her comments about biological labs in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Ignoring her backtrack are you

Tulsi Gabbard Clarifies Ukraine Bio Labs Remarks After Widespread Outrage

The former Democratic congresswoman was accused of being a "Russian asset" for her comments about biological labs in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

She didn't backtrack SHIT!
There are several MILLION dead across the world from EXACTLY this kind of doublespeak Orwellien parsing of terms.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

Well, ya see, that's different...

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

She didn't backtrack SHIT!
There are several MILLION dead across the world from EXACTLY this kind of doublespeak Orwellien parsing of terms.

The Ukrainian bioweapons lab nonsense is straight up Russian disinformation and propaganda. Of course you spread that disinformation.

 

[Bub_rub]

Remind me what the US response was in 1962 when Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose its own path to host Soviet missles and Soviet troops? Did Kennedy sit back and allow the ships to deliver the missles?

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what nations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what n?ations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

The Bank of Unique Ability is broke; $36Trillion and fading fast...
Feelz good ran out several 10s of thousands of new graves ago..

Time for a new Paradigm .

 

[ribbont]

Good point but I think Russian shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba makes it a much different discussion . We’d never consider doing the same in Latvia.

Listen. I get your point. In a dog-eat-dog world, Russia is trying to reclaim/ neutralize the buffers states it can while it can. That’s what nations need to do. But for all our awful warts, the US has been blessed with a unique ability to give nations — even those that border powerful, insecure empires — a chance to rule their own affairs. And we get more benefits from it than just good feels.

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

Didn't Victoria Nuland select Zelenskyy after deciding Klitchko was not suitable for NATO(US) employment?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Didn't Victoria Nuland select Zelenskyy after deciding Klitchko was not suitable for NATO(US) employment?

How many NATO troops were involved?

BTW, where are all those NATO casualties you knew about early on in that war?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

How many NATO troops were involved?

BTW, where are all those NATO casualties you knew about early on in that war?

Some of them are found dead of undisclosed cause in places far away from their previous duty station, coincidentally following a strike on NATO(US) assets in Ukraine.

 

[Bub_rub]

The Bank of Unique Ability is broke; $36Trillion and fading fast...
Feelz good ran out several 10s of thousands of new graves ago..

Time for a new Paradigm .

We didn’t put all $36 Trillion into worldwide democracy; Boomers et al. have a lot of it sitting in their homes and IRA accounts.

I don’t think you’d be as enthused if you thought out what a paradigm shift like that would entail.
Having other countries dictating US security and fiscal policy? Hong Kong-like regressions in personal liberties dotting the globe? China, Canada, Mexico forcing policy concessions via trade wars? That’s the game we are playing.

 

[Bub_rub]

Yet we didn't let Ukraine rule its own affairs, did we?

More so than the Russians did or would, by a large margin. Being our partner requires certain behaviors. All but the top dogs have to bend the knee occasionally, even countries as rich and strong as the UK, France, Germany, Japan. A story as old as time.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Some of them are found dead of undisclosed cause in places far away from their previous duty station, coincidentally following a strike on NATO(US) assets in Ukraine.

God, there is nothing you won’t believe and nothing you will source.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

God, there is nothing you won’t believe and nothing you will source.

He’s so far gone he can never return to the real and rational world. It’s very sad.

 

[ribbont]

More so than the Russians did or would, by a large margin. Being our partner requires certain behaviors. All but the top dogs have to bend the knee occasionally, even countries as rich and strong as the UK, France, Germany, Japan. A story as old as time.

We had no national security interest in Ukraine. Russia did and does. Of course it will try to influence Ukraine more than us. Duh. But why so much interest by the US in 2014? Why should the US have cared so much to threaten a sovereign nation's president to fire its Prosecutor General?

 

[Bub_rub]

We had no national security interest in Ukraine. Russia did and does. Of course it will try to influence Ukraine more than us. Duh. But why so much interest by the US in 2014? Why should the US have cared so much to threaten a sovereign nation's president to fire its Prosecutor General?

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

-Ministry of Truth, '1984'

 

[ribbont]

Disagree, helping friendly nations is one of our best features. It’s also our best PR look. That guarantee is the bedrock of Pax Americana. Our sphere of influence has few bounds, our ideals foster peace with, of course, applicable strings attached. Different administrations will want different things from these partners, for better or worse, but the basic principles make lives better. Eastern Europe, Ukraine included, jumped at the chance. We turned enemies like Republic of China and Vietnam into vital allies, drastically improving their economies and/ or security. We allowed Israel to thrive in the liberty-starved Middle East. The US Navy allows sovereign nations to trade freely.

I think we’re in a decadent period now, taking our role for granted, not understanding how it benefits our daily lives. Can we do it cheaper? Sure, I’m for it but the alternative costs much more in cash, reputation, lives, some of whom will be American.

Yeah. I used to think that way. Now I see it as arrogance. We think we can, no, we should, make every nation like ours, under the banner of "spreading democracy." And where has it gotten us over the past 35 years? Multiple wars, thousands dead, trillions spent, only to be no closer to "world peace" that where we started.

I think we need a new approach. One that doesn't have us as the world's police. One where we understand we don't need to control and manipulate every country. One that keeps our nose out of others countries business, unless 1) they ask, or 2) it is for our defense. I realize that the defense part can be murky, but we need to be wiser in our decision making.

 

[Bub_rub]

-Ministry of Truth, '1984'

Haha. Hey, I can’t get with that characterization, for sure. At our core I think humans are still in our “conquered, we conquer” mode. But you’ve got to realize there are some trade offs adult humans, as individuals or as nations, make when it comes to how to best live and how to provide for oneself and loved ones. You pick the least bad option when the all others are horrific.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yeah. I used to think that way. Now I see it as arrogance. We think we can, no, we should, make every nation like ours, under the banner of "spreading democracy." And where has it gotten us over the past 35 years? Multiple wars, thousands dead, trillions spent, only to be no closer to "world peace" that where we started.

I think we need a new approach. One that doesn't have us as the world's police. One where we understand we don't need to control and manipulate every country. One that keeps our nose out of others countries business, unless 1) they ask, or 2) it is for our defense. I realize that the defense part can be murky, but we need to be wiser in our decision making.

Hubris