Trump Zelensky today.....
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Russia could always use an expendable that is able to catch a lot of bullets
Funny how both of you went there, reflexively. “Putin lover!”.
Like arguing with a couple of children, so juvenile. But most pro-Ukraine war arguments devolve to that at some point because they don’t have any firm logical footing.
Why is it that you gentlemen feel the need to thump your chest about your military service when I call out the hypocrisy of you two being all talk and no action with respect to supporting Ukraine? Donyou often cite your military service when put in uncomfortable situations? It’s not a get out of jail free card you know.
Seems I’ve hit a nerve, and now your bullshit is on display for all to see.
You gentlemen are not tough. Stop posting like your tough.
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Should the US have quit in WW2 after we were attacked, let bygones be bygones? So why should Ukraine?
What you’re been posting is juvenile and dumb. You have also effectively taken Putin’s side in reality whether you like it or not so why not volunteer to support Russia? That’s only right per your asinine logic. You wouldn’t even serve your own country so there’s that too.
I’ve never taken Putin’s side. That straw man that you build in your head and attribute everyone who has misgivings about this war is the reason you can’t approach it reasonably.
My logic is sound. You have described this conflict as existential. A threat to greater Europe, the existence of Democracy worldwide and potentially even U.S. security.
Endless, ham fisted WW2 analogies make clear that you and others believe this to be a conflict on which the future of the free world hinges.
If you believe that, then yes voicing support on a message board and advocating for more spending is not enough. You need to fight.
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We cut oil production when? It dropped during COVID, oil prices plummeted and a lot of oil companies went bankrupt. Shale oil costs more to get to than Saudi oil.
We struggled to ramp up, with a lot of retirees from oil like everywhere else and investors skittish from the bankruptcies. In 22 we produced as much as 19, and set the record in 23.
Saudi Arabia cut oil production significantly in a deal with Russia.
U.S. oil production 2023 | Statista
Oil production in the United States amounted to around 827.1 million metric tons in 2023, an increase when compared to the previous year and the highest figure recorded within the period of consideration.www.statista.com
Saudi Arabia and Russia are cutting oil supply again in bid to boost prices
Saudi Arabia and Russia are extending cuts to the amount of oil they pump to the world to try to prop up prices.apnews.com
I should have phrased better. Biden's campaign rhetoric and actions to halt drilling on fed lands, reversed drilling in ANWR, and canceling XL during a time of economic recovery from the pandemic facililitated the increase in worldwide oil prices that allowed Russia to have increased profit to fund an invasion. And the US added to those profits by increasing it purchases of Russian oil in 2021.
Nice story, but it it doesn't fit the facts. There was a COVID plunge in oil prices in 2020, but by March 2021 oil prices were at ~$65/barrel, right at the average of the price during the entire Trump administration. As of yesterday, it was at $66/ barrel. Pretty stable, in an historical context
There indeed was a spike in price March-June 2022, AFTER the invasion of Ukraine, not before. It didn't fund an invasion, it was a natural response to a hot war breaking out.
WTI Crude Oil Prices - 10 Year Daily Chart
Interactive chart showing the daily closing price for West Texas Intermediate (NYMEX) Crude Oil over the last 10 years. The prices shown are in U.S. dollars.
www.macrotrends.net
Nice story, but it it doesn't fit the facts. There was a COVID plunge in oil prices in 2020, but by March 2021 oil prices were at ~$65/barrel, right at the average of the price during the entire Trump administration. As of yesterday, it was at $66/ barrel. Pretty stable, in an historical context
There indeed was a spike in price March-June 2022, AFTER the invasion of Ukraine, not before. It didn't fund an invasion, it was a natural response to a hot war breaking out.
WTI Crude Oil Prices - 10 Year Daily Chart
Interactive chart showing the daily closing price for West Texas Intermediate (NYMEX) Crude Oil over the last 10 years. The prices shown are in U.S. dollars.
Are we shocked that their news sources are lying to them?
Nice story, but it it doesn't fit the facts. There was a COVID plunge in oil prices in 2020, but by March 2021 oil prices were at ~$65/barrel, right at the average of the price during the entire Trump administration. As of yesterday, it was at $66/ barrel. Pretty stable, in an historical context
There indeed was a spike in price March-June 2022, AFTER the invasion of Ukraine, not before. It didn't fund an invasion, it was a natural response to a hot war breaking out.
WTI Crude Oil Prices - 10 Year Daily Chart
Interactive chart showing the daily closing price for West Texas Intermediate (NYMEX) Crude Oil over the last 10 years. The prices shown are in U.S. dollars.
Maybe you should look at the monthly prices. Nov 9, 2020 it was 40. By inauguration, it was 52. By Jan 31, 2022 it was 90. After the invasion it was 112.
Or you could learn to read and understand he was using annual data averages instead of actual monthly prices from 2020, 2021, and 2022. But I guess that would cause you to think critically. Something way outside of your abilities.
He has a good point, but in a roundabout way. The war would have been finished had Biden enforced secondary sanctions. In reality the only thing the sanctions did was to allow India and China to buy Russian crude products at a discount and in some cases resell those products for a profit. But if secondary sanctions were properly enforced perhaps oil would have spiked to perhaps $200! Westerners are unwilling to suffer for even 5 minutes.Nice story, but it it doesn't fit the facts. There was a COVID plunge in oil prices in 2020, but by March 2021 oil prices were at ~$65/barrel, right at the average of the price during the entire Trump administration. As of yesterday, it was at $66/ barrel. Pretty stable, in an historical context
There indeed was a spike in price March-June 2022, AFTER the invasion of Ukraine, not before. It didn't fund an invasion, it was a natural response to a hot war breaking out.
WTI Crude Oil Prices - 10 Year Daily Chart
Interactive chart showing the daily closing price for West Texas Intermediate (NYMEX) Crude Oil over the last 10 years. The prices shown are in U.S. dollars.
On another note, should Democrats vote for the CR I will never vote for another democrat in my lifetime and the opposition will effectively cease to exist.
lol. The day you think critically would be the first.
and if you're comparing month to month, it's still valid in showing a trend. You're just upset OS showed up your fellow MAGA sheep.
Not sure where you get that crazy idea... My link shows WEEK BY WEEK pricing of oil
joe biden. pic a topic. murders. border. gas. joe biden spike. @outside shooter you radical lefties are hard to kill off. roaches
Crude Oil vs Gasoline Prices
This interactive chart compares the monthly price performance of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) Crude Oil vs national average gasoline prices back to 1986.
www.macrotrends.net
Why won’t you admit you’re Hickory? Are you ashamed of your past? Do you believe you’re more erudite in your new skin and are pulling the wool over our eyes?
why would i admit to something i'm not. that would be like me asking why you don't admit that you're putin.
For those pushing for peace, I think those answers would be easy. The US didn't quit because they could win. Ukraine should quit (in the minds of those pushing for it) because they cannot. I think that's what this all comes down to. Those calling for Ukraine to quit now and cede the territory Russia has taken believe Ukraine can't win and will lose more land and people if they continue to fight.
When I clicked your link on my phone, it took me to the chart and showed the annual data. The screen is too small to see the details. Now that I am on a PC, I can see the details, and it is exactly as I stated. Nov 4th, it was at 39.15. Jan 22, 52.27, and Jan 31, 2022, it was 88.20 and peaked at 123 after the invasion.
So from Biden's election (and months of campaigning to end oil) to his inauguration, oil spiked 33%. About a year late, it jumped again 69%. One could say those increases were due to the economy coming back online. Maybe part of it. But economic data from Q420 showed the economy was coming back. Only an incompetent fool would put a damper on the recovery by limiting oil supply with regulations. Biden could have waited a year or 2 before adding those regulations to allow us to recover from the pandemic. But bowing to the climate zealots was more important.
I agree. You’re not at Hickory’s level, yet. Hickory was a 11 on the snarlcakes shit lib scale. You’re still in pull ups and a 5.1.
We are going to have to debate "win". Let's start with an issue that will be contentious, Ukrainian children sent to Russia. I suspect Ukraine wants them back. We don't know what Russia's position is. So, would it be a win if the children are repatriated?
Is it a win if Ukraine gets something like an EU presence to stop yet another bite at the apple?
We seem to define not losing as "we'll let you keep a sliver that we will come back for in 4 years." I am not sure Ukraine sees that as not losing here and now.
Even Russia has a breaking point. They have already suffered many more casualties than in Afghanistan, that they lost. So there is some reason to wonder how long they will keep up with these losses. We know the Czar was the first WW1 government to fall to war dissatisfaction. There are precedents.
I suspect if security guarantees and repatriation of children are offered, Ukraine might deal with Russia taking the land. We won't know until Russia offers those concessions. But we don't know Russia WILL offer those concessions.
I don't know what's a win and what isn't a win. It'll probably change from person to person.
But if Ukraine can't win without US boots on the ground, and we all agree that the US shouldn't put boots on the ground, certainly you can see the logic behind a push for a brokered peace? One that doesn't require calling those in favor of it "Putin's boys?"
As for your sliver comment on what Ukraine will be left with, that is hyperbole given the current maps and what I've seen as assumptions about what would be likely to be accepted by the US and Ukraine.
As for whether Russia will capitulate if the war continues, no one really knows.
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