You may be right but Russia might be lees anxious about attacking Ukraine again with foreign assets there.
Trump Zelensky today.....
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Remember how everyone complained that VPs never do anything?
Well now we have one that thinks he's a foreign policy expert when he's a wet-behind-the-ears politician with zero foreign policy experience.
I'd rather go back to the boring, do-nothing VP.
Got to get them out first, before we can partner with Ukraine to get those minerals.
No sh!t. Just STFU and fade into the background.
Makes me long for Pence.
The President was being sarcastic IMO.
Agree that the reporter tried to make a thing about it.
I don't see where signing a minerals agreement changes anything on the ground, so why not sign it?
That deal is between the US and Ukraine, not Russia. So, Z can always say the deal isn't valid until Ukraine administers the area.
If the US doesn't get Putin to move, then the situation doesn't change any and Trump has no reason to withhold aid to Ukraine.
If I was Zelensky, I'd sign any agreement that didn't give Russia an inch of Ukrainian territory. He needs all the aid he can get now. He can always revisit any agreement - what is the US going to do - send troops in to enforce a business deal?
You got a map of Ukranian mineral deposits overlayed with a map of Russian controlled territory?
Let me help you.
Quite a bit there for the taking not in Russian controlled territory.
'Quite a bit' but the majority is in the contested areas. Look at where the 'rare earth' minerals are.You got a map of Ukranian mineral deposits overlayed with a map of Russian controlled territory?
Let me help you.
Quite a bit there for the taking not in Russian controlled territory.
Must be looking at different maps. I see plenty of rare earth deposits in Ukraine control.
Ceasefire, start digging.
He's willing to fight to the last Russian to see Putin's glory spread. God only knows why he has such a love for Putin.
I can't wait until they Mussolini Putin.
What we are seeing is not diplomacy nor negotiations.
Russia has managed to wrest control of about 20% of Ukrainian land from eastern Donbas and Crimea, all of which hold a significant amount of Ukraine’s rare earth elements and other critical minerals. As per a CBS report, data provided by the Institute for the Study of War shows that about 50% of Ukraine’s REE deposits are now in Russian-occupied territory.
Rare Earths in Ukraine Caught in Geopolitical Crossfire | OilPrice.com
The U.S. is negotiating with Ukraine for access to its rare earth reserves, even as Russia offers its own deals for minerals in occupied Ukrainian territory, all in an effort to diversify the global supply chain away from China.
oilprice.com
So that means 50% is still there waiting for us?Russia has managed to wrest control of about 20% of Ukrainian land from eastern Donbas and Crimea, all of which hold a significant amount of Ukraine’s rare earth elements and other critical minerals. As per a CBS report, data provided by the Institute for the Study of War shows that about 50% of Ukraine’s REE deposits are now in Russian-occupied territory.Rare Earths in Ukraine Caught in Geopolitical Crossfire | OilPrice.com
The U.S. is negotiating with Ukraine for access to its rare earth reserves, even as Russia offers its own deals for minerals in occupied Ukrainian territory, all in an effort to diversify the global supply chain away from China.
Let’s get going.
Until Russia wants it in 5 years.
IQ tests should start with, "Do you trust Vlad Putin"? If yes, they stop and say the IQ is too small to be measured.
I love this one! We can’t be sure Vlad won’t invade again, thus the death and destruction continues. We can’t stop the war, because there might be a future war.
I was drowning one time and a guy threw me a life vest. I looked at him crossly and said:
“this life vest can’t guarantee that I will never start drowning again, leave me be”
Weren't you an Army Russian language expert? If so you'd probably be arrested before you set foot on the dock.
So we cannot learn from history? A man wants to keep taking land so we can never take a stand against him because we can't guarantee he will do it once again? How has that worked in the past? Shouldn't we just give China and Russia everything they want or risk being in an infinite number of wars.
When did you guys collectively turn into Neville Chamberlain?
Russia has managed to wrest control of about 20% of Ukrainian land from eastern Donbas and Crimea, all of which hold a significant amount of Ukraine’s rare earth elements and other critical minerals. As per a CBS report, data provided by the Institute for the Study of War shows that about 50% of Ukraine’s REE deposits are now in Russian-occupied territory.Rare Earths in Ukraine Caught in Geopolitical Crossfire | OilPrice.com
The U.S. is negotiating with Ukraine for access to its rare earth reserves, even as Russia offers its own deals for minerals in occupied Ukrainian territory, all in an effort to diversify the global supply chain away from China.
‘No credible evidence’ that Ukraine has rare earth minerals, says Northeastern expert
The deal would give the U.S. a share of Ukraine’s critical raw minerals. But is it all that it is being made out to be?
news.northeastern.edu
This whole mineral thing is a ruse like 99% of what Trump does. You can find other expert takes. There are no easy rare earths to process and they may have a negative cost to mine and process. What's astonishing is the constant lying and support for outright lying.
People in another thread are talking about kids with cancer and this and that. First of all I don't care what the Democrats do or don't do. It's an opposition party that appears to exist only on paper. They are feckless and their priorities are out of whack. I feel sorry for the kid and I'm glad they did something to honor him, but all of this is right from the Putin playbook. Has anyone watched Putin? He has a yearly conference where he calls individuals in the audience and doles out a few goodies. Or when he visits a village he will direct mr so and so to do such and such for a person there or to fix X in that community. It's great retail politics, but it's all about building the leader personality. Political theater.
I actually happen to think the economy needs a serious reset and I like the idea of attacking waste, fraud, and abuse. The problem is that the people running the show are the absolute worst people for these objectives. Their objective is not to fix anything but to plunder. There is no more transparent example of this than the crypto strategic reserve announcement where even some of his staunch supporters thought it was too transparently corrupt. We are heading for very dark times. Great depression and possibly worse.
Then by all means we should take a stand against him. Put multiple American divisions on the ground. Every asset and weapons system required to evict Russia from Ukraine’s territory. That is the goal right?
No more half measures.
Or conversely, if you are not willing to advocate for that. Then it’s time for a peace deal.
Anything other than this stalemate, purgatory under the guise of “standing up to Putin”
It's strange. Before the war I got a lot of pushback from the MAGAs here when I pointed out the growing anti-Ukraine, pro-Russia, anti-NATO, isolationism sentiment in MAGA and the idea that they'd be happy with allowing Russia to occupy all of Ukraine. It was clear when MAGA congressmen delayed military aid to Ukraine for six long months (undoubtedly costing Ukrainian lives) that they'd do all they could to stop it all together after the election if they won. Now President Trump appears to be doing it for them and many here don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine. They'd be as happy to have a minerals deal with Russia in the former country of Ukraine (maybe happier) as they would with a free Ukraine.
I don't care about Ukraine or "democracy" in Ukraine. Though I do have a problem with nations invading sovereign states.
We are actually getting a fantastic return on Ukraine as is Europe. Now we are prepared to abandoned our sunk cost, which in my mind has been a phenomenal return in exchange nothing. Ofc the human suffering is enormous and sad, but I suspect without any real tripwires the state of Ukraine will completely cease to exist. This mineral deal is a non-existent trip wire. And the upfront verbal concessions from Trump make absolutely no sense.
I am all for a peace deal, it just has to have a "This ends here, no further" line. That can include NATO troops. That can include a hell of a package to Ukraine. I've suggested just leaving all sanctions on Russia until hell freezes over and seeing if they can rebuild their military with that.
Russia is burning resources and men at a FAR faster rate than we are. They are now propped up by Iran and North Korea, how long can those two countries sustain that? Evidently longer than us. If they were only killing Americans we would stay, but for God's sake don't take our old equipment. That might cost us money and we can't have that.
I thought the dark red is 'rare earth', which is in the contested areas.
Well, whatever. I still think making a commercial deal without dealing with the real problem of Russia invading a sovereign country is bizarre.
Again with the waffling. If this is a vital American interest we should defend it with American soldiers.
If not, we take what concessions we can get from Russia in the name of a peace deal.
Or at the very least be honest about what we're doing. Paying for 10,000s of young Ukrainians to get killed in hopes of grinding down Russia some more.
What are the Russian concessions? Allowing American companies to pay penalties to reenter the Russian market as someone in the thread suggested? That's one hell of a "concession".
It's hard for Americans to realize most of the world doesn't share our values. I've studied the language and the Russian culture to know they laugh at our naivete when it comes to foreign policy.
They laugh at our western liberal values. They laugh at how easily we believe promises they have no intention of keeping.
What they don't recognize is that our good intentions and sense of right and wrong are our biggest assets. It makes us stick together. It gives us a common goal. I hope we never lose that, but fear we are.
Russian society has never had that, without being at the point of a gun. They'll fight Nazis if they're on their doorstep, but they'd also gladly share the spoils of war with them until the other side turns on them.
Europe and EurAsia has always been dog-eat-dog societies until WWII beat it out of western Europe. Russia is still a predator society and only respects any force that stops it with force.
Maybe we can’t get any concessions from Russia. Or very few.What are the Russian concessions? Allowing American companies to pay penalties to reenter the Russian market as someone in the thread suggested? That's one hell of a "concession".
In that case, let’s enhance our negotiating position with American soldiers.
True. But Ukrainians are doing so willingly.
What if France would have said 'We can't continue to support the killing of British people living in America because of some silly notion of freedom"?
Trump is selling a client to Russia for the hope of a better relationship with Putin
Or paying to help a nation drive an invading army back to their shithole nation.
I was always worried about that, but at the time, relations were good before Ukraine. I felt pretty comfortable knowing that they didn't have my records from 50 years ago. Now I'm not so sure.
We had a 10 year period after separation that we couldn't travel to the Soviet Bloc countries.
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No I'm not comfortable with American troops. Personally, I'm ok with the status quo. And if it came to it we can fund any guerilla efforts.
As I recall, the French Navy engaged the British at Yorktown. By the end of the war approximately 12K French troops were fighting with the Continental Army.
We should act similarly in Ukraine, lest someone accuse us of being Neville Chamberlain.
I was planning a long trip across Russia and doing the Siberian rail until this nonsense took place.
All the Ukrainians joined the military freely? Also, no we shouldn't continue getting them killed if we don't think there is a very high probability they will win. It's a terrible thing to do to other humans.
Russia already uses 3rd country troops. NATO should provide air power to Ukraine.
The US loves to put rules on war that our enemies don't, which is why we don't win wars anymore.
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