Here's the thing... If you are Ukrainian and hear that kind of language how can you trust this administration to be an honest peace broker? First of all they cut them off from being included in the initial negotiations... then that kind of language? Where's the neutrality? Zelensky will run his mouth as Putin will. But this should be done behind closed doors in any case. But how could Ukraine possibly trust this administration to be neutral brokers?
Trump Zelensky today.....
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No it was not a thank you for the war support. It was a thank you for the intro and thank you for the invite.
Come with facts, not "some are saying". No. I do not believe it was a plant.
You don't know what would have happened. How about it would have moved forward if Z hadn't opened his trap by doubting Trump can solve this diplomatically?
It is true that Putin is celebrating.
Putin allies rejoice after heated Trump-Zelensky White House meeting
The Trump-Zelensky meeting stunned American observers and was widely celebrated by allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
www.newsweek.com
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I saw where Fareed Zakaria said Z should have presented Trump with some 'Hero of Ukraine' award and told him it was for heroism in defending Ukraine. Trump would have eaten it up.
Everyone who has observed Trump over the last 8 years knows the way to get along with him is to stroke his ego. It's a mystery to me why Z doesn't realize that, if he needs the aid.
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What if Ukraine has elections and elects Zelensky again? Do we still sell Ukraine out then?
Remember the phone call to Ukraine that Trump made his last presidency?
I will guarantee that he's still holding a grudge over that one.
Then he is as naive and incompetent as you are.
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If NATO is the problem and Putin doesn't want it on his border, why is he annexing only Donbas and other regions just on Russia's border? Why would he be satisfied with just that small area?
The whole NATO discussion is a red herring. The Baltic states have been NATO for a long time and Putin hasn't invaded them. Putin's adventure in Ukraine are nothing but a land grab. Period.
I don't blame him, but that wasn't Zelensky's fault.
After hearing Zelensky thank America for the last 3 years for aid and support, isn't it disingenuous to say "You didn't thank us..... in this meeting"?
That is some grade school shit.
Doesn't explain why they didn't invade the Baltic states for going NATO
Lots of things to be concerned with here, but one that isn’t getting enough play was Trump’s response and the information that can be gleaned from it.
Not because he was wrong about everything he said, but because it was impromptu and emotional and gave Putin information as to what Trump is thinking and scared of.
Like Sonny with Sollazo. Unforced error.
Not because he was wrong about everything he said, but because it was impromptu and emotional and gave Putin information as to what Trump is thinking and scared of.
Like Sonny with Sollazo. Unforced error.
I’m sure the Baltic’s NATO membership is an irritant as well. We pushed Putin to a breaking point. A breaking point clearly defined and warned of by William Burns in 2008, and act surprised by the result.
Why a breaking point? Can you name all the times that NATO has attacked Russia? We were angered over Cuba, it is still there.
My goal is not to justify or rationalize Putin’s actions. Rather point out the massive failures of American/ NATO foreign policy that got us to this point.
It's also grade school shit to show up late to meet the US Sec of Treasury because Z overslept.
I think that was Sonny Bono’s partner after Cher left. They had a minor hit with “don’t crimea a river”
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Putin wasn't challenged when he invaded Crimea. We should have started arming Ukraine then. Instead, Obama/Biden sent blankets.
No offense, but breaking point my ass. He was seeing what he could get away with and we didn't challenge him at all.
The only surprise, I think, was that the US and NATO stood by and let it all happen. At least Trump warned Europe not to depend on Russia for their energy, but they didn't listen to him.
Zelensky had just got back from traveling to the Middle East.
How late was he? I mean, the guy is only fighting a war for his country's survival. Think maybe waiting 10 minutes isn't that big a deal when you're fighting Russia?
Oh. My. God.
@mcmurtry66 . I don’t know if this is any good, since I haven’t listened to it, because I’ve seen the best movie of all time, but maybe right up your alley.
Mmhmm. Do you guys all have framed Scarface posters in the living room too?
No, but the one with him sitting behind a mountain of coke is good. That movie is mid though…
Edit @mcmurtry66 : Comparing Scarface to The Godfather is like comparing Alexi Lallas to Messi (did I do that right?)
c'mon.......it was a perfect call
the most perfect call ever made in the history of phone communication
Without disagreeing with the intent, I think Trump would have seen it as patronizing and an insult.
Simpler way to say it.. "Too Soon man".
No. I’m going to tell you your Twitter Twit is almost certainly providing false information like they do 95% of the time. Link something credible.
Seriously! You just said he's "fighting a war for his country's survival" and he can't make a meeting with his financier? I'll bet DANC if you had to make a meeting tomorrow at 5am to save your house and lives of your family/friends, you would f'ing sleep outside the building the night before.
Z blew off the meeting, delayed the signing to Munich, demanded it happened in the US with the President. He demands were met and all he had to do was smile, eat lunch, and sign. He couldn't do that.
He had to spend the time telling Trump how to negotiate with Putin. That's like telling RMK how to beat a zone. F'ing stupid of Z and totally insulting.
Vance called him out on it. Z probably thought he could walk all over Trump like he did Biden. Get anything he wants. Not gonna happen. Gotta respect this President. It's a new day.
It’s not $350B. As usual from our President that’s false:
How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?
Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.
www.cfr.org
The problem with your theory is that none of that stuff Z was saying bothered Trump at all, until Vance opened his big mouth and tried to pick a fight.
Trump told you that? You have telepathic ability with Trump? Wow! I never knew that.
Excuse me. None of it appeared to bother Trump. They looked like they were getting along great. Trump thought Z's outfit was great. When Z insisted on bringing up security guarantees, Trump had no problem with that. He said security was the easy part, they just had to get the deal done first. Z agreed. Even when Vance started getting heated, Trump's body language suggested he was still great buds with Z. And then something flipped.
I hope our Prez didn't get played that badly by his own Veep, but that's certainly what it looks like if you watch the entire conversation, and not just the parts they put on the news.
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