Putin couldn't be more pleased.
It's really quite sad.
It's really quite sad.
Trump wants new Ukrainian elections and Musk castigates Zelensky: "He doesn't want peace."
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Everyone knew this was coming. most who voted for Trump couldnt care less. They still believe he can somehow lower the price of eggs and will kick out all the Mexicans and couldnt give a crap about promoting democracy
He’s in bed with Putin. It’s disgusting.
I figure Trump and Putin are figuring out a way to divide up the world
The parroting of Russian disinformation and lies is disturbing. This war/"special military operation existed in the physical sense since 2014. In 2004, Russian Russian agents actually poisoned Viktor Yushchenko because he wasn't a puppet. Before that, it was the false flag operation in 1999 when Putin's agent's bombed a Russian apartment complex, then claimed it was done by Chechen muslim separatists. Each event backed by one lie after the next. There are several authors who written about these issues as early as 2001 and raised the disinformation flag. Timothy Snyder is one. A later book, by Thomas Rid, traces this history of the disinformation from the Russian revolution forward, complete with references to source documents. Just history repeating itself--except this time, we've bought in.
Then there is logic. In 2020, the Ukrainian Army had 298k active personnel, which is twice the number Ukraine had when Russia invaded Crimea. How could Ukraine be the aggressor? Or as our president stated, Zelensky "started it"..... Or was it that Ukraine asked for NATO Membership dating back to 2002?
Yesterday Trump blamed Ukraine for starting the war! Then, Musk claimed Zelensky “doesn’t want peace, ” and Trump and Putin have called for new elections in Ukraine.
Trump and Musk are making Zelensky the villain as they kneel before Putin.
Finally, Trump and Putin, of all people, calling for new elections in Ukraine is a joke. Putin has maintained his grip on power for 20 years by holding sham elections, and Trump tried to overturn an election he lost. Despicable.
(Zelensky) "should never have started it"
Dear god
Sadly the sheep will eat it up.
Dear god
Sadly the sheep will eat it up.
The MAGA crowd won't care - or even see it this way - but Trump and Musk will have Ukrainian blood on their hands when this is all said and done. I believe this also includes Zelensky. What will be crazy is when a plane he's on crashes, or he 'falls' out an open high rise window or chokes on some food, Trump will tell some Fox News or NewsMax lackey that it was a terrible accident and the MAGA crowd will shrug and say something akin to 'accidents happen.'
I mean it would only be the 4th time Russia would have tried to assassinate the head of the Ukrainian government. It has become a banality at this point
Even the New York Post has turned on Trump over this.
Putin is a war criminal. Trump is working hard to restore his world standing. Screw the both of them.
And the overcompensating for small male member crowd are happy at the tough guy winning. Imagine that.
Ad hominem attacks are low-hanging fruit and entirely predictable when someone has no counter to legitimate issues being pointed out. Seems to be a pattern with the MAGA cult members on this board.
Sheep aren't very smart, they just do what they are told until they are killed and eaten for dinner.
Wait Democrats have been fueling this war for years now. Putin invaded under Democrats not Trump. If Trump is a Putin puppet why did they wait until Trump was gone from office? No one knows what the terrms of ending this war yet.
Do you really think Trump would have stopped an invasion of Ukraine?
what do you actually think the timing of the invasion proves? Do you think Bill Clinton being in office would have prevented 9/11 or Herbert Hoover would have prevented Pearl Harbor?
I get that Trump has said Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine on his watch and that you believe him, but what about his actual actions would make you think that hypothetical scenario makes sense?
I've heard this tired canard far too much. Putin invaded Georgia under George Bush. Putin tried to assassinate the Ukrainian President under George Bush. Putin engaged in 20 plus years of overt election interference and outright assassination attempts of Ukrainians under multiple presidents. An event doesn't engender a why. The why goes all the way back to the fall of the Soviet Union.
A far more plausible scenario than the speculation you offered, would be that if Trump was still president, Trump would have acquiesced to the annexation of Ukraine or part of Ukraine outside of Crimea, etc. Trump's statements yesterday all but confirmed that. It certainly shouldn't be lost on people that Russia is taking advantage of the current administration. Specifically, during the peace talks, Russian launched a massive operation in Odessa-destroying civilian infrastructure, kindergartens, children's clinics and various high rise buildings.
Trump said it was "unlikely that Ukraine will get all land back". It won't get any land back. Here we are, drawing up maps again that has worked out so well. Keep in mind that the Russia is the one who gave the Ukraine nukes and drew the map back during the fall of the Soviet Union.
I find it incredible to believe that the United States has taken a position that: (1) this is Ukraine's fault; (2) this is a just war by Russia; and (3) Russia and the United States should work together economically--which of course would benefit Russian interests far more than ours.
The current administration is doing nothing more than engaging in appeasement.
A large faction of MAGA is pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian and anti-NATO. That has been obvious for a long time.
You’re a dishonorable POS. Your opinions are worthless.
Your last sentence is the one that has me scratching my head at the histrionics in this thread.
Again you speak of Russian aggressions under different administrations. However the one administration you don't mention any aggressions is the first Trump administration. As far as this war, are you against brining both sides to the table to end death and destruction and to bring peace? I am not sure how you know what the terms are for peace when the 2 sides have not even sat down yet. I myself do agree it is not right that Ukraine have to to unwillingly cede any territory. That should be something they willingly agree to. I have heard what Vance , Rubio and Trump have mentioned , however that does not mean that it is going to be agreed upon. At least we are trying to get them to the table to talk. Not just continuing to arm one side.
Hasn't it been reported that Trump and Putin are negotiating without Zelensky there?
How is that getting everyone to the table?
This thread illustrates how politics has divided us.
This concerns me as it plays into the steady hand of Putin who maintains control as we flounder under our own failure to be unified.
What "peace?" Peace talks are a sham when one of the critical parties isn't viewed as an equal partner and still doesn't have a seat at the table.
Here's what's going to happen. There will ultimately be an agreement that constitutes a sweetheart deal for Putin. There will be a cessation of a hostilities for a time and then, in the not too distant future, Putin will come up with some pretext for invading Ukraine again. And when that happens (and it will happen), Ukraine won't be getting any help from the US.
And do you know why it will proceed this way? Because Vlad's Trump's dad.
First, the absence of evidence that you point out is not proof of a specific proposition. Second, you are not correct. Take for example the Russian attack on Ukrainian naval vessels during the trump administration. Here's what was written when that happened: "The Kremlin is betting that he will not hold his Russian counterpart accountable in a meaningful way, especially before the G20 meeting in Buenos Aires this weekend when they are expected to meet one-on-one."
A history of Russian Aggression toward Ukraine during the Trump administration is here:
Way to go Palm...the first step to recovery is actually admitting you have a problem. Best of luck. I'm rooting you on. You got this.
Just think, in another year or two when you're just kind of dumb we'll look back on this day and marvel at the progress you've made.
You’re low T and you know it. Diet and exercise could work wonders for you. Good luck brother.
And you know this how? Because you heard it on main stream media.
Americans are entitled to their opinion about our support for Ukraine. Only 45% of Americans believe our support is adequate or should be increased. That figure will only continue to decrease as the war continues.
The real question is, given that American support will only wane, is Ukraine/ U.S. in a better negotiating position now, or a year from now? Three years from now?
Let’s see what concessions are made. Ukraine will not get all its territory back. They will not be in NATO. An acknowledgement of that from our end is the predicate to hammering out the rest of the details. That is unless and until the rest of NATO steps up and decides they want to own this conflict with minimal or no U.S. support.
You are a dishonorable POS. There are posters here that deserve no respect and you're one of them. Just pass by my posts, I have no desire to converse with you.
Because Putin believes Ukraine has no right to sovereignty, and that Ukraine and Russia are "one people."
And because Vlad's Trump's dad.
Get your head out of your ass.
