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Trump Takes the Fifth

Unleashing a legion of stolls and Marvins onto the middle class! Oh, the Humanity!!!
I'd say it's a little more serious than that...

Stoll and Marvin are reasonable guys who I believe would check themselves before they went full Stormtrooper on you...

The people Biden is looking to employ..., not so much...

Be careful what you wish for; your political enemies just might not be the only ones to find themselves ensnared by these people...

 
I live in indiana and work in Kentucky. 80 cents. Difference. That’s what I said. Didn’t say it was all tax. It’s funny when you are so biased you didn’t read it.
My mistake bud. Must b my age. There was no bias on my part. And what exactly would b my bias on fuel taxes? Just thought since we were talking about taxes it was about the difference between state fuel taxes. Just didn’t read it carefully. I lived in Indiana but worked in multiple states and experienced the differences myself. Geez I can go 5 miles and find a 10 cent difference in gas prices here in Florida. Explain that. I have no bias in reporting the 10 cent difference.
 
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His attorney actually stated publicly that the govt was looking for classified documents

What I want to see at this point are:

1. The application for the June grand jury subpoena;
2. The June grand jury subpoena itself;
3. The government's receipt given to Trump to record the documents taken from Mar-a-Lago under the June grand jury subpoena;
4. The application for the August search warrant;
5. The August search warrant itself; and
6. The government's receipt given to Trump to record the documents taken from Mar-a-Lago under the August search warrant

Trump and his lawyers surely have some of these documents already, so he could release them if he wanted. (Or, maybe he just wants to keep whining.)
All he does is whine.
 
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All he does is whine.
Dogs in pain usually whimper.

I'd hate to be Trump right now. One of his sons has also taken the fifth several hundred times. Probably will be a tense Thanksgiving table this November.
 
That application won't be forthcoming any time soon. That's why dbm says they need to release it. He knows they won't (can't?) and the cult will point to that and holler Coverup!
Well the government has applied to the court to release it. Now will the conspiracy theorists still insist they b released after Garland called their bluff? And what will they say when they c that he lied when he said he’d returned all requested documents and that he was illegally keeping top secret documents? He got way more deference than u or I would if we stole classified documents. The FBI would have come in with guns drawn if it were us. This is a simple case of theft of government property. And documents that may compromise national security. How on earth do they possibly defend that?
 
My mistake bud. Must b my age. There was no bias on my part. And what exactly would b my bias on fuel taxes? Just thought since we were talking about taxes it was about the difference between state fuel taxes. Just didn’t read it carefully. I lived in Indiana but worked in multiple states and experienced the differences myself. Geez I can go 5 miles and find a 10 cent difference in gas prices here in Florida. Explain that. I have no bias in reporting the 10 cent difference.
My apologies. So many arguments(myself included) are political. It’s hard for a middle of the road guy to fit. I try not to be biased but I get pigeon holed by both sides.
 
My apologies. So many arguments(myself included) are political. It’s hard for a middle of the road guy to fit. I try not to be biased but I get pigeon holed by both sides.
Drove south in June and every state got cheaper as we drove to NC.
 
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They'd better release the application immediately or Trump was just handed 2024 on a platter.
Garland has outwitted Trump (admittedly a low bar) by filing the motion with the Court that actually issued the warrant. Trump now has the option to allow the info to be released or to object to it's release. But if he objects then the question most normal folks will have is WHY doesn't he want the info released to the public? How terrible are the crimes they are accusing him of? ...


I'd say some GOP politicians who rushed blindly to defend Trump are a little nervous about finding out exactly what the man they are currently defending is actually hiding...Potential for some egg on face moments...



3:00 pm tomorrow Donnie... Clock is ticking...
 
Well the government has applied to the court to release it. Now will the conspiracy theorists still insist they b released after Garland called their bluff? And what will they say when they c that he lied when he said he’d returned all requested documents and that he was illegally keeping top secret documents? He got way more deference than u or I would if we stole classified documents. The FBI would have come in with guns drawn if it were us. This is a simple case of theft of government property. And documents that may compromise national security. How on earth do they possibly defend that?
The warrant itself and the application are two different things. I don't think the application will be released.
 
Fair is paying period. Had personal experience with a family member who kept two sets of books and banked offshore to hide taxable income. Was a multimillionaire and could afford to pay but did everything possible to avoid taxes. I’d approve of hiring a hundred thousand IRS agents if it meant they’d catch the tax cheats. We all know that won’t happen. Personally I’d audit anyone with income over $500k. And I’d make sure anyone caught cheating did real jail time in a real prison. Not in a club fed. Have to incentivize the cheats enough that they comply and pay their fair share.
Should they come with guns? GD man lets bring the gestapo ! Lets audit everybody just because Sman has a unsavory relative, not that anyone is surprised by that are they? I bet you are for defunding the police too like any goose steeping good liberal right? I dont think any one is opposed to your brother in law getting in trouble if true but the noion of hey lets audit everyone because my brother in law is a tax cheat and I dont like him banging my sister seems a bit extreme. Its more jealousy isnt it and be honest?
 
How do u possibly defend a guy who allegedly took nuclear secrets and intelligence sources and methods. What possible reason for such a theft justifies this? U certainly won’t admit it but it’s obvious to me. He was intending to sell them. It’s always about the money for him. But keep supporting this traitor to r country. Democrat, Republican or Independent we should all b on the same page on this. Put him in jail if this is proven in a court of law.
 
How do u possibly defend a guy who allegedly took nuclear secrets and intelligence sources and methods. What possible reason for such a theft justifies this? U certainly won’t admit it but it’s obvious to me. He was intending to sell them. It’s always about the money for him. But keep supporting this traitor to r country. Democrat, Republican or Independent we should all b on the same page on this. Put him in jail if this is proven in a court of law.
alledgedly , Just what secrets do you think he might have had? The secrets to building the a bomb in 1n 1945 Amazes me how liberals will say the president really has nothing to do with inflation, gas prices etc but he has the secrets to nuclear war. If that is true Id be a whole lot more worried about the current potato you elected
 
I'd say some GOP politicians who rushed blindly to defend Trump are a little nervous about finding out exactly what the man they are currently defending is actually hiding...Potential for some egg on face moments...
I am of the opinion that most politicians shed whatever scrap of capability they have of feeling guilt as soon as they reach upper office levels.
Maybe 20 years ago, but not now.
 
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Believe me they aren’t great and I’m very critical of them. Still not an answer to the question. (Without bias)What is “fair”.
Kentucky gets $2.15 from the federal government for every tax dollar it sends to Washington. By comparison Indiana gets $1.37 for each dollar sent to Washington. So that is an unbiased fact. Now is that fair? You will have to determine that for yourself. Getting those dollars might have something to do with who is the Senate minority leader. Also, the federal gas tax hasn’t been adjusted since 1993. Adjusted for inflation, it 45% less than in 1993. I have no problem with it being raised as long as the additional revenues are used for road infrastructure.
 
I realized the Kennedy school was for business, but thought I'd leave it in as sort of a subtle dig at lawyers...I think he got a loan from his folks of around $50,000 which was no doubt fodder in the 2018 ad war when he ran for Lt Governor. But I'm fairly certain that after winning the LT Governorship he'd be making enough $$ to be able to pay his folks back whatever amount they deemed he owed. Not really any different than kids whose parents pay for college, house etc... The problem for OZ is that this was all likely publicly litigated in 2018, which Oz might known if he hadn't been living in NJ and floating from among his 9 other mansions at the time...

You're really stretching here if the implication is somehow that Oz "relates" to blue collar people and Fetterman doesn't. Fetterman came from privilege, as his father built a successful insurance business. His parents were both Conservative republicans and he played college football for 4 yrs at Albright his fathers alma mater, prior to going to UCONN for his MBA.

While at UCONN a close friend's death caused him to re-evaluate his life and alter his plans to join the family business. He joined Big Brothers and Americorps and started teaching kids how to prepare for the GED. He was working as an insurance adjustor and decided to go to Kennedy for his MPP, and then seemed to throw himself into urban renewal after graduating. In 2004 he moved to Braddock a once booming steel town that had been declared a financially distressed municipality in 1988. He became the part time Mayor (paid $150/mo), but his actual job (also low paying) was as the director of the city's Youth Services program.

One of his achievements was to found a non-profit (Braddock Redux) whose goal was to but up and renovate/save properties and repurpose them for the town's use. One of his purchases was an old church which he purchased for $50,000 and after living in the basement for a while he turned it into the town's community center. He has many tattoos but the two that seem to stand out the most are the zipcode of Braddock on one arm and the listed dates of the 9 murders which occurred in the town over the 13 yr period he was Mayor on the other. That decline represented a major shift in the crime/murder rate, and he seems particularly proud of that accomplishment...




The Lt Governor has to go thru a primary process to win the nomination in PA, and when he ran in 2018 he had the endorsement of Bernie, Ed Rendell and Bill Peduto who would all be described as pro-worker in the context of PA politics. He actually ran in the 2016 Senate primary and lost when his name recognition was non-existent and he had no funding. But two years laterhe ran away with the Lt Governor race,and this year he beat a guy I actually like (Connor Lamb) because he advocated workers issues like $15 min wage and medicare for all. He's more pro-Israel than I am, and there are other issues I might personally disagree on, but in retrospect he is the best choice over Lamb, despite his atrial fibrillation...


Oz's worker ethos on full display...At a grocery store in New Jersey, with a film crew... "shopping" for crudite?






There was no whataboutism in my post. Simply pointing out that the same people who contend that politicians are living off the public dole turn around and criticize a guy like Fetterman for doing the exact opposite.If he borrowed money from his folks as Mayor and his other duties, he could have easily worked at a different occupation and made a lot of money if that was his goal. it's like damned if you do and damned if you don't with the folks I was referencing, and in this case I don't think I intended that to mean you.
How can you attack Oz for his real estate when the guy you you seem to support lived off his millionaire parents and in a $70k loft he bought from his sister for a dollar. It’s gaslighting by Fetterman and you keep repeating
 
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