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Trump is going to cause genuine damage

NBC told me Trump is dumb to want the Panama Canal because water literally has to be transported over literal mountains for a ship to go through it...literally.
(Lack of) Water isn’t usually a problem in a rain forest. Mudslides were one of the big problems when it was built. But I do recall reports of hydrology problems over a decade ago.
 
Isn’t SecDef in there?
An . . . Yes he is.

“Overriding Disastrous California Policies. (a) The Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of the Interior, and the Secretary of Agriculture shall expeditiously take all measures, consistent with all applicable authorities, to ensure adequate water resources in Southern California. Each shall report to me within 15 days on all authorities, including emergency authorities, available to ensure, require, maintain, or use infrastructure necessary to fight and prevent massive wildfires in Southern California”

This doesn’t authorize water the ACE released.
 
An . . . Yes he is.

“Overriding Disastrous California Policies. (a) The Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of the Interior, and the Secretary of Agriculture shall expeditiously take all measures, consistent with all applicable authorities, to ensure adequate water resources in Southern California. Each shall report to me within 15 days on all authorities, including emergency authorities, available to ensure, require, maintain, or use infrastructure necessary to fight and prevent massive wildfires in Southern California”

This doesn’t authorize water the ACE released.
Why do you keep insisting this matters? Trump took credit for it! Publicly!
 
Even if he did not order it, and no one has said it was a mistake, his bluster and demands for action over thought creates an atmosphere where overzealous mistakes happen. This could easily explain Tuskegee as well. Act now, think later
 
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Even if he did not order it, and no one has said it was a mistake, his bluster and demands for action over thought creates an atmosphere where overzealous mistakes happen. This could easily explain Tuskegee as well. Act now, think later
If the release of this water was as stupid as the articles linked here suggest, his administration is responsible, no matter how this occurred. Obviously. Trump's level of culpability in the whole thing can never be zero, but it's worth asking how exactly this happened.

We don't expect our Presidents to order certain dams to be opened at certain times, etc. without others weighing in and advising, do we? Now, is it possible, Trump said "I don't care, just do it. Open those dams no matter what, I know what's best?" Yes, yes it is. But I think it's important to know if it is that or some admin miscommunication, foul up down the chain, etc.

As for him claiming credit, Trump would boast about his morning stool if he thought it would make him seem successful. Doesn't mean we have to pay it much credence.
 
If the release of this water was as stupid as the articles linked here suggest, his administration is responsible, no matter how this occurred. Obviously. Trump's level of culpability in the whole thing can never be zero, but it's worth asking how exactly this happened.

We don't expect our Presidents to order certain dams to be opened at certain times, etc. without others weighing in and advising, do we? Now, is it possible, Trump said "I don't care, just do it. Open those dams no matter what, I know what's best?" Yes, yes it is. But I think it's important to know if it is that or some admin miscommunication, foul up down the chain, etc.

As for him claiming credit, Trump would boast about his morning stool if he thought it would make him seem successful. Doesn't mean we have to pay it much credence.
Sounds very buck stops over there.

Releasing water meant for farm irrigation to fight wildfires that have already been contained doesn't seem particularly brilliant-adjacent, but I guess mileage may vary.
 
If the release of this water was as stupid as the articles linked here suggest, his administration is responsible, no matter how this occurred. Obviously. Trump's level of culpability in the whole thing can never be zero, but it's worth asking how exactly this happened.

We don't expect our Presidents to order certain dams to be opened at certain times, etc. without others weighing in and advising, do we? Now, is it possible, Trump said "I don't care, just do it. Open those dams no matter what, I know what's best?" Yes, yes it is. But I think it's important to know if it is that or some admin miscommunication, foul up down the chain, etc.

As for him claiming credit, Trump would boast about his morning stool if he thought it would make him seem successful. Doesn't mean we have to pay it much credence.
Somebody decided to release this water from these reservoirs while violating protocols. . The release does not follow the EO. Makes ya wanna start taking some depos starting with the person who turned the valve.

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Somebody decided to release this water from these reservoirs while violating protocols. . The release does not follow the EO. Makes ya wanna start taking some depos starting with the person who turned the valve.

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Didn't Trump get elected because he says "to hell with protocols"? Maybe you should look up the word "disrupter".
 
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If the release of this water was as stupid as the articles linked here suggest, his administration is responsible, no matter how this occurred. Obviously. Trump's level of culpability in the whole thing can never be zero, but it's worth asking how exactly this happened.

We don't expect our Presidents to order certain dams to be opened at certain times, etc. without others weighing in and advising, do we? Now, is it possible, Trump said "I don't care, just do it. Open those dams no matter what, I know what's best?" Yes, yes it is. But I think it's important to know if it is that or some admin miscommunication, foul up down the chain, etc.

As for him claiming credit, Trump would boast about his morning stool if he thought it would make him seem successful. Doesn't mean we have to pay it much credence.
Of course no one is suggesting Trump himself ordered these particular dams opened. The only reason we are debating culpability is because of how quickly CO.H pivoted from "this was a good idea" to "Trump didn't do it," moving so fast, he overshot it and landed on "someone did this maliciously to hurt Trump."
 
Of course no one is suggesting Trump himself ordered these particular dams opened. The only reason we are debating culpability is because of how quickly CO.H pivoted from "this was a good idea" to "Trump didn't do it," moving so fast, he overshot it and landed on "someone did this maliciously to hurt Trump."
Speaking of malicious compliance, Hegseth promised to get to the bottom of the Tuskegee incident. Perhaps CO can direct our attention to who was fired/demoted/suspended for that.
 
Of course no one is suggesting Trump himself ordered these particular dams opened. The only reason we are debating culpability is because of how quickly CO.H pivoted from "this was a good idea" to "Trump didn't do it," moving so fast, he overshot it and landed on "someone did this maliciously to hurt Trump."
It wasn’t a pivot.. It was spitball evolution.
 
The EO said the release must be “consistent with all applicable authorities,”
It is true, in history no one has ever said one thing with a wink and a nod.

What are "all applicable authorities"? Would tradition/custom be an authority? It seems unless there are laws, we would have a hard time saying it is an "authority".

Note with Tuskegee there were people immediately stepping in and saying it was a mistake (or malicious). Note it has not been said here.
 
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