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Trump admin involved in fake-electors plot in Georgia?

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What will be interesting when adopted children of homosexuals start suing their adoptive parents. There was some case in the UK where some natural child of a normal couple was suing just for having been born. Just wait until some of these kids get old enough. So what is going to happen and you know it will at some point ?
 
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Excuse me but he still did nothing illegal dumbshit
So barely. Again this is why you shouldn't be on this board. You are just too stupid to be blunt. Gay has nothing to do with anything. No one said his actions were illegal. I said he availed himself of a benefit not available to others. That's not illegal. Fed paternity leave act operates in tandem with the fmla. To be eligible under the fmla you have to first work 12 months. He didn't do that. As a cabinet member he requested permission to take paid paternity leave and was granted same - a benefit not available to any other federal ees. In theory only cabinet members with the temerity to do such a thing. When millions of gov eees can't take paid leave but he does (at $250k) after barely being on the job during the throes of a crisis that falls under his agency it's pathetic.

Now slither off.
 
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Persons who hadn't worked for 12 months or 1.250 hours of fed service
Anyone in America is entitled to that benefit if the person with the power authorized it.

You want to know a real honest problem. When Jack Welsh took over GE, the CEO before him made $200,000/year and that was standard. That would be $730,000 or so in today's money. The average fortune 500 CEO today makes north of $17 million. That is the big robbery happening in America today, not somebody asking for a month of paid leave. But the conservatives that hate Pete for one month off don't care about the big robbery. Probably would if CEOs were gay.

That stat on CEO executive pay is from the book The Man Who Broke Capitalism on Welsh and I just started reading.
 
As long as Trump-endorsed candidates are winning elections, your candidate in 2024 is going to be Trump, not DeSantis or Pence or some other Republican you like more. If the Republicans nominate Trump again for 2024, we'll stay in the same crap we're already suffering for two more years.

Because Trump ran his own campaign, he had quite a lot to do himself with getting Biden elected. Biden won, but it wasn't due to brilliant politics on Biden's part. I'm not sure Biden could have beaten anyone other than Trump in 2020. Current comments from Republicans hint that Trump's GOP support may not be as strong as last time. The situation would begin clarifying quicker if Trump was out of the picture.
I'm not sure that Trump could have/ would have beaten anyone but Hillery!
 
Anyone in America is entitled to that benefit if the person with the power authorized it.

You want to know a real honest problem. When Jack Welsh took over GE, the CEO before him made $200,000/year and that was standard. That would be $730,000 or so in today's money. The average fortune 500 CEO today makes north of $17 million. That is the big robbery happening in America today, not somebody asking for a month of paid leave. But the conservatives that hate Pete for one month off don't care about the big robbery. Probably would if CEOs were gay.

That stat on CEO executive pay is from the book The Man Who Broke Capitalism on Welsh and I just started reading.
Probably would if the CEOS were gay? Lame. I have no idea what CEOs are gay. Don't care. What's more CEOs typically built something. Musk sleeps in his office. Pete stays home. You can't compare Pete to CEOs. Different class. Pete was on the job a few months. And he took a benefit available to none of the other 2 million fed Ees prescribed by law. He had the temerity to ask for it knowing how entitled it would look.

Very weak post Marv. I'm not a fan of golden parachutes but I trust most high paid CEOs produce for shareholders. Pete. Please.
 
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Probably would if the CEOS were gay? Lame. I have no idea what CEOs are gay. Don't care. What's more CEOs typically built something. Musk sleeps in his office. Pete stays home. You can't compare Pete to CEOs. Different class. Pete was on the job a few months. And he took a benefit available to none of the other 2 million fed Ees prescribed by law. He had the temerity to ask for it knowing how entitled it would look.

Very weak post Marv. I'm not a fan of golden parachutes but I trust most high paid CEOs produce for shareholders. Pete. Please.
CEOs, our elected officials, our cabinet members ALL get benefits we mortals do not. Trump played golf all the time, all the time, how many factory workers have that benefit? I am not criticizing him for it, just stating it happened. If it made him a better president, great. But dif we are going to be fair, why aren't you complaining he left work early so often while your average clerical worker at DoJ could not?

Should I look for other perks presidents, cabinet secretaries, governor's get. Do you think DeSantis has to clock in and out?

Pete asked for a benefit and received it. If someone ever asked for a raise and received it, shame on them for taking a benefit they asked for they must be a horrible person asking for a benefit. BTW, I have never asked for a raise, I believe the work should speak for itself.

All those CEOs we had until 1980 were not producing anything for their companies? Of course they were, it is just they did it at a time before conservatives said greed is a virtue. You want to reward greed is a virtue for them but not for Pete wanting time with his family which I do not believe is greed.

America started suffering when we rewarded CEOs for moving jobs to other countries, but every conservative here finds that a great thing we should reward them for because these CEOs are gods that walk among us mortals. But Pete takes one month with pay, and takes meetings remotely in that month, and you find it the end of the Republic. Nope, paying people $17 million to offshore is at least 17 million times worse, but you and the people that liked your post cannot see it.

I can see being a little unhappy at Pete, I seriously can. But you are obsessed with it, you have worked
Pete into a lot of threads over the months. Ask yourself why you are as obsessed as you are but don't give a damn we are paying people so well to screw over American workers.
 
CEOs, our elected officials, our cabinet members ALL get benefits we mortals do not. Trump played golf all the time, all the time, how many factory workers have that benefit? I am not criticizing him for it, just stating it happened. If it made him a better president, great. But dif we are going to be fair, why aren't you complaining he left work early so often while your average clerical worker at DoJ could not?

Should I look for other perks presidents, cabinet secretaries, governor's get. Do you think DeSantis has to clock in and out?

Pete asked for a benefit and received it. If someone ever asked for a raise and received it, shame on them for taking a benefit they asked for they must be a horrible person asking for a benefit. BTW, I have never asked for a raise, I believe the work should speak for itself.

All those CEOs we had until 1980 were not producing anything for their companies? Of course they were, it is just they did it at a time before conservatives said greed is a virtue. You want to reward greed is a virtue for them but not for Pete wanting time with his family which I do not believe is greed.

America started suffering when we rewarded CEOs for moving jobs to other countries, but every conservative here finds that a great thing we should reward them for because these CEOs are gods that walk among us mortals. But Pete takes one month with pay, and takes meetings remotely in that month, and you find it the end of the Republic. Nope, paying people $17 million to offshore is at least 17 million times worse, but you and the people that liked your post cannot see it.

I can see being a little unhappy at Pete, I seriously can. But you are obsessed with it, you have worked
Pete into a lot of threads over the months. Ask yourself why you are as obsessed as you are but don't give a damn we are paying people so well to screw over American workers.
Because it's apples to oranges. Pete didn't work his way up. Pete didn't win an election. Pete didn't spend 25 years at DOT. He was literally gifted a $250,000 job that he had zero qualifications for and instead of saying "Wow!! I'm so blessed. I'm going to repay the people I am in service to by working around the clock to get us out of this crisis." No. He asked for a benefit that he knows he wasn't eligible for as you have to work a year first, virtue signaled, and went "offline" for a month. What do you think the average joe on the GS at DOT thought of that. There's us and there's them.

CEOs didn't go into "public service."

As Crazy wrote in the gas thread Pete is totally incompetent and hopefully this disqualifies him from future office. He represents the worst of gov. Gov should be a calling.

And it has zero to do with being gay. We could have a tranny sitting in a lawn chair down at the port with one hand on his clay pecker and the other on the cfr trying to find regs to suspend and i'd say you go They are Ze are whatever you want to be called. Run for prez after this. I'm all in on our first tranny prez.
 
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Because it's apples to oranges. Pete didn't work his way up. Pete didn't win an election. Pete didn't spend 25 years at DOT. He was literally gifted a $250,000 job that he had zero qualifications for and instead of saying "Wow!! I'm so blessed. I'm going to repay the people I am in service to by working around the clock to get us out of this crisis." No. He asked for a benefit that he knows he wasn't eligible for as you have to work a year first, virtue signaled, and went "offline" for a month. What do you think the average joe on the GS at DOT thought of that. There's us and there's them.

CEOs didn't go into "public service."

As Crazy wrote in the gas thread Pete is totally incompetent and hopefully this disqualified him from future office. He represents the worst of gov.

Just be sure to work this into another thread to prove you are not obsessed.

Are you saying no one else in America could ask for this. I flat out guarantee you places hire people they think will be superstars and would let them do this if it meant keeping them. I bet law firms, corporations, etc, would do this for someone they really want to keep. Hell, in my lowly post I see "stars" brought in that are given accommodations.

As for Pete being terrible, can you show statistics? What is his 3 pt shooting percentage? Blocks, steals, rebounds?
 
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Just be sure to work this into another thread to prove you are not obsessed.

Are you saying no one else in America could ask for this. I flat out guarantee you places hire people they think will be superstars and would let them do this if it meant keeping them. I bet law firms, corporations, etc, would do this for someone they really want to keep. Hell, in my lowly post I see "stars" brought in that are given accommodations.

As for Pete being terrible, can you show statistics? What is his 3 pt shooting percentage? Blocks, steals, rebounds?
For the 50th time he's in gov. I don't care what people contract for in business. That's their business. We aren't paying their salary. They aren't working for nor serving us

The Fed gov has a statute that govs its paid leave. It's easy to find. Pete circumvented it
 
For the 50th time he's in gov. I don't care what people contract for in business. That's their business. We aren't paying their salary. They aren't working for nor serving us

The Fed gov has a statute that govs its paid leave. It's easy to find. Pete circumvented it
I bet that statue covers career workers, the civil service. Pete ain't that. You know that. Political appointees are not covered by a hell of a lot that career employees are covered by. Starting with salary, political appointees do not have the same salary structure. I was just reading an OSHA staffer say if asked to testify at Congress, he had to ask for unpaid leave. Do you think cabinet secretaries don't get paid for their testimony?
 
I bet that statue covers career workers, the civil service. Pete ain't that. You know that. Political appointees are not covered by a hell of a lot that career employees are covered by. Starting with salary, political appointees do not have the same salary structure. I was just reading an OSHA staffer say if asked to testify at Congress, he had to ask for unpaid leave. Do you think cabinet secretaries don't get paid for their testimony?
That is correct. Cabinet members are separate. Yet he's the head of an agency. Those rules apply to everyone of his employees. Every Federal employee. You'd think based on optics alone he wouldn't ask much less the throes of a crisis
 
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That is correct. Cabinet members are separate. Yet he's the head of an agency. Those rules apply to everyone of his employees. Every Federal employee. You'd think based on optics alone he wouldn't ask much less the throes of a crisis
And now you are making the exact same argument as those who said Trump should not be golfing during the COVID crisis.
 
Just be sure to work this into another thread to prove you are not obsessed.

Are you saying no one else in America could ask for this. I flat out guarantee you places hire people they think will be superstars and would let them do this if it meant keeping them. I bet law firms, corporations, etc, would do this for someone they really want to keep. Hell, in my lowly post I see "stars" brought in that are given accommodations.

As for Pete being terrible, can you show statistics? What is his 3 pt shooting percentage? Blocks, steals, rebounds?
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. He bilked the people by abandoning a post he was given as much for his sexual orientation as any real qualification, a common theme for this admin….
 
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For the 50th time he's in gov. I don't care what people contract for in business. That's their business. We aren't paying their salary. They aren't working for nor serving us

The Fed gov has a statute that govs its paid leave. It's easy to find. Pete circumvented it
Is your problem because he is a dem or because he is gay?

You have had no issue with other govt officials using benefits that taxpayers pay for so it is either being hyper partisan or homophobia.


And CEOs making millions of dollars does affect the rest of us as well. If they made a normal salary like the rest of us, then people at the bottom could be paid a living wage without driving up the cost of goods. When the resource is finite, people taking a large chunk of that resource does have an effect on everyone else. There is more to the haves and the have nots than your crusade against the gay dem
 
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Is your problem because he is a dem or because he is gay?

You have had no issue with other govt officials using benefits that taxpayers pay for so it is either being hyper partisan or homophobia
Oh my God dumb hickory is back. Name the benefits and cite any and all relevant statutes regarding same. Then name the official who availed himself of it. And make it temporally relevant. Like during a crisis. Go!
 
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I'm curious how you think anything Trump would have said would have affected a full-scale riot?

If he makes a statement, are the rioters going to stop what they're doing to listen to him?

No, they're rioting - you can't listen to a car radio or iTunes while you're rioting.

He offered the National Guard and no one acted on it. How was he supposed to stop a riot with a statement?
It's a known fact our former Prez was a habitual liar. But for you to repeat his lies is where I have a problem. There is NO record Trump offered up the National Guard for the Jan. 6th rally/insurrection. And for Trumps inaction the day of the rally/insurrection for him to say Pelosi didn't order in the National Guard the day of is also bullshit. Pelosi has a House Sargent at Arms as well as McConnell. They both share the responsibility equally but in actuality it falls on their underlings as well as the Capital Police. Be careful when you parrot your Cult Leaders statements. They are easy to fact check and it come back to make you look stupid.
 
I'm curious how you think anything Trump would have said would have affected a full-scale riot?

If he makes a statement, are the rioters going to stop what they're doing to listen to him?

No, they're rioting - you can't listen to a car radio or iTunes while you're rioting.

He offered the National Guard and no one acted on it. How was he supposed to stop a riot with a statement?
The point is not that it would have actually made a difference. The point is what he should have done as President of the United States. He should have made a strong statement discouraging rioting and invading government buildings. As it was, first his silence, and then his soft statement, appeared to give his tacit consent to what the rioters were doing.

It was a sad moment for me. Despite his many short comings, I felt Trump had done a good job as President. But, his behavior on that day was unacceptable. I felt he was clueless about his responsibility to the country as President. For one brief moment, he need to overcome his narcissism, he couldn't do it.
 
Anyone in America is entitled to that benefit if the person with the power authorized it.

You want to know a real honest problem. When Jack Welsh took over GE, the CEO before him made $200,000/year and that was standard. That would be $730,000 or so in today's money. The average fortune 500 CEO today makes north of $17 million. That is the big robbery happening in America today, not somebody asking for a month of paid leave. But the conservatives that hate Pete for one month off don't care about the big robbery. Probably would if CEOs were gay.

That stat on CEO executive pay is from the book The Man Who Broke Capitalism on Welsh and I just started reading.
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It's a known fact our former Prez was a habitual liar. But for you to repeat his lies is where I have a problem. There is NO record Trump offered up the National Guard for the Jan. 6th rally/insurrection. And for Trumps inaction the day of the rally/insurrection for him to say Pelosi didn't order in the National Guard the day of is also bullshit. Pelosi has a House Sargent at Arms as well as McConnell. They both share the responsibility equally but in actuality it falls on their underlings as well as the Capital Police. Be careful when you parrot your Cult Leaders statements. They are easy to fact check and it come back to make you look stupid.
There is absolutely a record of him offering NG troops, but MSNBC doesn't tell you that, so you remain ignorant.

I take it back - Hickory/Amber does have competition for dumbest poster on the board.
 
Covid? Are you serious? Like the part where he wanted to only send tests to the red states? Or his secret testing plan he never let us in on? Were you impressed with his handling in helping cover up the murder of a journalist? I thought Kim Kardashian was the First Step Act, but I’ll give him an assist for that one. I’m not sure how successful the Abraham Accords actually was, but just like his father in law he failed at multiple businesses. How do you fail in real estate in New York? He couldn’t even get a security clearance without Trump intervening. Assume there was a reason for that, in addition to all the times he lied on his form. I don’t see much to like about Kushner. Ivanka might be smarter.
Don’t be so hyper-partisan. The Abraham Accords was, and is, an achievement. It shouldn’t matter what political team the US guy was on, it’s an American team score.
 
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politics aside, Israel and the UAE relations were pretty normalized before the deal. the timing to me looked like hardliners in Israel thought the deal would give Trump a bump in the run up to the elections as the average American might still think Israel and its neighbors are still always about to go to war. hasn't been the case for awhile,.
You couldn’t fly to most countries in the Middle East if you had an Israeli visa stamp in your passport. The Accords were a positive accomplishment and it shouldn’t be discounted because you’re a Democrat.!
 
Covid? Are you serious? Like the part where he wanted to only send tests to the red states? Or his secret testing plan he never let us in on? Were you impressed with his handling in helping cover up the murder of a journalist? I thought Kim Kardashian was the First Step Act, but I’ll give him an assist for that one. I’m not sure how successful the Abraham Accords actually was, but just like his father in law he failed at multiple businesses. How do you fail in real estate in New York? He couldn’t even get a security clearance without Trump intervening. Assume there was a reason for that, in addition to all the times he lied on his form. I don’t see much to like about Kushner. Ivanka might be smarter.

He was harmless when he was just a clown everyone laughed at. He was the guy no one wanted to sit next to at the dinner party because if you were a female he hit on you and all he did was talk and brag about himself, No one had any idea how many rubes would vote for him. And join his cult.
You seem to be pretty capable at failing, at the very least failing at any sort of rational thinking .

You would have had no worries whatsoever sitting next to him at a dinner party or anywhere for that matter. You seem to rather enjoy bragging about yourself quite a bit on here. Maybe Trump would have to worry about sitting next to you at a dinner party.
 
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You couldn’t fly to most countries in the Middle East if you had an Israeli visa stamp in your passport. The Accords were a positive accomplishment and it shouldn’t be discounted because you’re a Democrat.!

Ya, def positive but the accomplishments were overstated. I do get that’s part of the game. Timing was pretty funny. But I do think Israel and neighbors had momentum headed in this direction either way. Giving Jared Kushner a star for this one is a stretch. I also wouldn’t have given Chelsea Clinton credit for being the figure head of a deal like this either. She and Jared had the same level of expertise on ME relations when their dad’s got elected. Lol. Lots of serious people put serious work into paving the way for this.

srsly, wasn’t exactly a political view. I lean right re: Israel. Dems have been antagonizing Israel’s conservatives for years and while I thought the nuclear deal w Iran was the best of many bad options, I generally support an aggressive Israel.
 
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No, I just ignore you asshat. I made a one time exception here . Funny you knew exactky who i meant though.
Your first sentence makes no sense. 🤣

It wasn't that tough when you described the exact post you were referencing, even though you were too scared to mention my name.

Oh, and "exactky"? English, please.
 
So barely. Again this is why you shouldn't be on this board. You are just too stupid to be blunt. Gay has nothing to do with anything. No one said his actions were illegal. I said he availed himself of a benefit not available to others. That's not illegal. Fed paternity leave act operates in tandem with the fmla. To be eligible under the fmla you have to first work 12 months. He didn't do that. As a cabinet member he requested permission to take paid paternity leave and was granted same - a benefit not available to any other federal ees. In theory only cabinet members with the temerity to do such a thing. When millions of gov eees can't take paid leave but he does (at $250k) after barely being on the job during the throes of a crisis that falls under his agency it's pathetic.

Now slither off.
You are correct on this one. Pete, like HRC, practiced “do as I say, not as I do” leadership. It’s why I couldn’t vote for HRC over Trump even though I thought he was unfit. Leadership IS THE most important quality a President needs. Trump and HRC didn’t have it. Sadly, neither does Biden. Maybe the next batch of candidates will have a leader among them.
 
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It’s not going to be possible to have a reasonable discussion with you about any member of the Trump administration, you are far too jaded and emotional.

You and I differ in opinion on the severity of Covid so as such we’re going to differ on our opinion of Jared’s more nonchalant response.

And lastly, I don’t care enough about Jared Kushner to get into a drawn out debate over him. I just know in my heart he’d be a better POTUS than Trump or Biden.
I just know in my heart. Lol. Now who’s the one that’s emotional? Good one.
 
You enjoying the economy we're in now?? At least he cared. I wasn't voting for a pastor to a church, I was voting for someone who actually understood finance and what was wrong with america. I guess you like us giving your tax dollars to other countries while we have empty shelves here in america. tells me all I need to know.
This is what I’ll never understand about Trump voters . The guy who sits on a golden throne, has never in his life been loyal or gave a rat’s ass about anyone but himself and you think he cared. Let alone understood finance and what’s wrong with America. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
 
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