The better Dusty does, the more comfortable we get with the hire, but the harder he probably gets to hire. A tricky one.
top 4: 1) Beard. 2) Iowa State. 3) May. 4) Collins. what say u
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Yep...so lets have a few guys like Ben McCollum or Pat Kelsey vetted and ready to act on...for when Stevens, Pearl, Beard, etc... don't materialize. Outside Sampson, who doesn't apply to any of this... Archie is the only one that I think would have been seen as a very good basketball coach, when we hired them. Tells me we didn't have any sort of list or approach that included really good, proven, lower level basketball coaches waiting in the wings.
When they actually hire a good basketball coach, no matter what you think our "crazy fan base" will get in their heads...when we see good basketball on the court, we'll be excited about it. We haven't seen it, in a LONG time. Cody/Vic days, I'd say. And even with them, Crean's manic side caused many of us to "side eye" he and his program. But those couple of teams are still up there with my favorite IU teams ever.
I just find it hard to believe that he'd leave Michigan after one (so far, successful) season to come to IU. I mean, maybe he would, but more likely this is just IU fans over-valuing the allure of coaching here. But I don't know.
There are a lot of tangible reasons why IU would be a more attractive long term job, for anyone, than Michigan.
More NIL money, seemingly.
Easier transfer rules
Better historic name (this one could go both ways, but might matter to some)
And for May...his time at IU under RMK, one would have to imagine, created a fairly strong connection for him with the town, buildings, program, etc...
no worries, I get it. Like I said, it's therapy for many. Seems to have opposite effect on me now. Bad mojo deja vu.
if season goes south, could be a real ugly power struggle coming. But a bloodletting will be needed, so remove the gloves and see who wins.
I’m feeling good about Scott winning the power struggle. His FB moves are bringing in tens of millions of extra dollars to IU and showcasing the entire school. If it is true he wanted Woody gone last year he was right about that too. He’s the only guy delivering serious results in the world of influential people around IUBB.
Maybe Scott messes up this bball hire, idk, but he’s our best shot.
There's a lot more red flags than the DV allegations in regards to Beard on top of just being a very bad cultural fit at a midwest school.
yep fball success has given him some leverage, you would hope. Quinn played his card last year...he owns this bball season win or lose.
So that means the coaching search cant start until after July 1st? That will suck.
It should mean Quinn is no longer invited to the Men's Basketball Planning Meetings. If there are such meetings.
I think as a lame duck he has a lot less leverage. He could try to stop things, but it’s not worth it, he would be delaying the inevitable and making everything worse. He got his way for four years it’s done.
My main concern is Buckner was basically just a "plant"...and the people that planted him are still very much in control.
I think even if that is true, if the season keeps going like it looks and feels like it will, Woodson will be let go. But I fear whoever planted Buckner, will continue to hold a grip over the process and the replacement choices.
He's definitely not a plant. It's not uncommon at all for former athletes to serve as trustees. He still cares deeply for IU despite being loyal to his friend. He does not have absolute power the way some think he does.
Thanks for the clarification...no need for the worries there then, evidently. I had no idea how it came to be that he was both on the BOT, and then the Chairman.
I guess there may still be concern with big donor influences...but as Tammany has pointed out a few times now...one would have to think the goings on in the last 12 months or so, have given Dolson quite a lot more power and influence "in the room". Hopefully to the point where there isn't really a room any more, or that Dolson is the only one in it.
Interesting, if true. I can see the merits of that. As I can see them for not doing anything mid season this year, no matter how bad it gets.
Honestly hope he doesn't test that with a big losing streak. Its better for everyone, in my opinion, if he finishes the season relatively well, and is let go at seasons end.
Plus his offense is generally boring AF. After watching Miller and Woodson, the last thing we need is another boring ass offense.
Yeah, firing/forcing out Woodson at the conclusion of this season, assuming we're headed to where everyone thinks we're headed, is more than justification at this point. But three years would have been an awful quick trigger, especially after making the tournament his first two seasons.
Tomorrow will be a telling sign. Students are back and this will be the biggest game of the year by far. Come out flat and uninspired, wheels could come off quick.
Despite never enjoying watching Woodson's teams, I think I even advocated that Dolson better have a really, really good, no brainer level replacement in place to make a move last year.
Outside the first Illinois game in Woodson's IU coaching career, his teams have faired pretty well against Illinois.
I would suspect a decent performance for much of the game. A win will be a pleasant surprise, but I bet it ends up being a pretty competitive game. Illinois does have some very dangerous, and explosive perimeter players, so shooting us out of the gym could happen too.
As you say, it'll be a telling sign on Woodson's abilities to right the ship.
Neither is #3. May isn't leaving after only one season at Michigan. Besides, it's the better program right now.
just the sarcasm you displayed regarding Iowa State. I think it was pretty obvious my intent.
sorry it was Monday am and I hadn't had my first full cup of coffee yet.
They actually have a good program rolling out there...would be tough to pull him to IU. I watched them some the other day, they play well and with urgency. Something I see IU lacking in almost every game.
Ah, a discussion about having discussions about possible new coaches. Whenever it is decided to fire Woodson, I hope they have a behind the scene deal already worked out with a “can’t miss” coach. If not, there are good years for coaching hires and there are bad years. Don’t fire Woodson when the possibilities for greatness are slim picking. We’ve had five consecutive bad coaching hires such that 80% of our discussions here are regarding possible new coaches. The IU coaching merry-go-round is making me dizzy and I think I’m going to puke.
Speaking of PUke, our nemesis has had 1 coaching change in the last 45 years and still counting. “Porkchop” is putting up Knight-like numbers in consistently and one of these years he very well may get them a legitimate banner to hang.
Of course he won’t be cut loose until the end of the season. But we should definitely be using back channels to gauge interest from coaches who we would want to interview (McCollum?). This might be my #1 candidate.
I be happy with any of these guys. I don't know if May would leave after one year but maybe since Indiana is his dream job.
Also add Brad Brownell to the list Evansville guy good coach.
We're basically the Portland Trailblazers of the NCAA... Several banners about 40=50 years ago.
