While I would tend to agree with you, the whole operation was corrupt and f***ed up, including the FBI involvement up front which I hope will continue to be exposed, and many of those persecuted have already been excessively punished. There is no way to make the situation whole, and the activities of the government were more a more dangerous threat to the rule of law than were the rioters.
These are not political prisoners
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While I would tend to agree with you, the whole operation was corrupt and f***ed up, including the FBI involvement up front which I hope will continue to be exposed, and many of those persecuted have already been excessively punished. There is no way to make the situation whole, and the activities of the government were more a more dangerous threat to the rule of law than were the rioters.
A blanket pardon is irresponsible. Needed to vet one by one and determine on a case by case basis. Impulsive trespass is different than battery/assault or proud boys who were coordinated. This kind of loyalty is not to be rewarded
For nearly 250 years, the USA worldview has three basic tenets, one of which is Consequential Justice. These operatives had little fear that their obvious interference in the election would face any consequences during the former illegitimate, criminal administration.
They are now experiencing the first of many consequences for their actions. There will be more.
Seeing red flags on social media, referring to 'Luigi II'.Did the DOJ kill this guy?
Capitol rioter awaiting sentencing dies by suicide, coroner says
Matthew Perna's “community (which he loved), his country, and the justice system killed his spirit and his zest for life,” his family said in an obituary.www.nbcnews.com
Penn State Grad. No criminal record, he entered through a door that was already open. DOJ asked for enhanced sentencing they wanted to put him away for 5+ years.
He took his own life as Garland’s DOJ dragged his case out and ruined his life over what would typically be known as trespassing.
So. Didn’t the Biden DOJ kill this guy? You start assigning fault for suicides you get into some real dicey territory.
No way you can go case by case It was the largest investigation in American history. Thousands were charged. And it was a f***ed up political farce from the beginning. He probably should have held off on the more serious defendants pending a complete review, but there was never any basic fairness to those charged.
Sure you can. Every one will have a police report. You could have 2 people review the charges and narrative and cull through them in a week. I can go through a police report. Car crash report in less than 30 seconds
Then separate the easy pardons and take a better look at the rest
I think an investigation followed by pardons where warranted, if warranted, on a case by case basis would have been a better way to go.
But I agree, the blanket pardons are an awful look.
I agree, there are a handful that should not be pardoned, but I think even those should have reduced sentences.
For hundreds of others, not only should they receive pardons, but I think some should be paid reparations for what the government did. The government was shameful and awful. The prosecution got into evidence, over strenuous objections, against peaceful and nonviolent defendants a 20 minute edited video of the worst violence. None of that video showed many defendants doing any violence. The prejudice is obvious and I think would result in reversing convictions on appeal. The trial judge was of a single unchanging mind about J6.
Trump is going to have a real shitstorm on his hands if one of these pardons commits a violent crime. And deservedly so.
Presidential pardons should ALWAYS be considered on a case-by-case basis. It's a powerful tool, to declare that the law no longer applies.
Great point. As an aside you’ve been a welcome addition to the board. Solid contributor right out of the gate
That’s why Biden was so careful about the timeline of his to ensure his dirty family were insulated.
My sense is that the ones clearly identified as Federal agents, Confidential Informants with prior criminal records and other paid provocateurs have the records of their identities and activities among the myriad of documents destroyed by the corrupt J6 Committee.
Jd is super smart. He hung his balls out agreeing to be vp. If I were him I’d pick a problem that people recognize, that can be ameliorated, and publicly focus on that. Like Harris was border czar. Get declared something and go do that
One could predict with great certainly that there will be reprisals. The Fed will make sure it happens.
And he's only just begun...
Better stock up on Desitin and tissues.
Weren’t all the Weather Underground bombers pardoned or have charges dismissed by the Dems? At least some did I think.
Pretty hilarious watching the Dems go ballistic over some peaceful trespassers being let out.
Interesting to see that despite your acquired distaste for women, you are still easy....
What reason is there to disbelieve his assertion that there is no way he could get a fair trial? That was likely the case.
Assuming the guy's guilt, 22 years in prison? Adolph Fricking Hitler got 5 years for the Beer Hall Putsch, and was out after 9 months.
How much time did Fauci and Mayorkas get for lying to Congress? Why did Bannon gets 8 months for not producing docs when Fauci lied about the pandemic and Mayorkas lied about the border, with no consequences?
Show me some "rule of law" as it applied to the Dems for the last 4 years and I'll feel bad about the pardons.
Joe Biden's Justice Department has now indicted at least 7 Democrats
The DOJ has indicted at least 7 Democrats, as well as several Republicans, notably former President Donald Trump.
www.newsweek.com
true: it is reasonable to give some J6 criminals a pardon
also true: it is entirely unreasonable to give almost every single J6 criminal a pardon, and the rest a commutation.
Is this hard? It's basically JD Vance's position, the last we heard of him, before he was muzzled
also true: it is entirely unreasonable to give almost every single J6 criminal a pardon, and the rest a commutation.
Is this hard? It's basically JD Vance's position, the last we heard of him, before he was muzzled
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I think statements like this are highly irresponsible. These in the category of the J6’ers claim the 2020 election was crooked. Yet I know Big Democrats and Big Media pushed this exact point.
As far as I know, no evidence has been suggested to prove this.
Well, nobody knows everything that factors into a suicide.
We don’t know that J6 played in role in them. But we also don’t know that it didn’t.
So it’s just the kind of thing where I’ll leave open the possibility.
I would think that if an ME felt J6 injuries led directly to a death of a cop the person or persons causing the injuries, if identified, would also be charged with manslaughter, at least. I’m not a lawyer but I have watched a few cop shows and movies.
There is such a thing as a psychological autopsy that could speak to the issue. I’m not aware of any being employed for these suicides. Those with vested political interests in inflaming passions wouldn’t want one anyway.
Not suicide and not heart attacks from natural causesI would think that if an ME felt J6 injuries led directly to a death of a cop the person or persons causing the injuries, if identified, would also be charged with manslaughter, at least. I’m not a lawyer but I have watched a few cop shows and movies.
Sure. I know they didn’t find a direct link. Those that say that the rioters “killed” the police officers are peddling unsupported allegations. If they were actually supported there would have been appropriate charges for their deaths and there weren’t any.
Fauci did as good a job as anyone could have. He was very helpful and saved lots of lives
The violent vermin that Trump just released are now free to commit more viloent crimes.
You cannot be this ignorant.
Those you cite are not running free among us like the J6 violent criminals.17K with prior criminal convictions caught by BPD in FY2024.
However the real number is 3 million as that is the number of inadmissible encounters.
Tack on another 500K or so for known getaways.
Needless to say you are orders of magnitude off no matter how you slice it.
Nice attempt to twist the facts.
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You sheep are so loyal to a guy that wouldn't give you the time of day
For the sake of argument, let's set aside the claims of deaths. Let's even set aside mental health. Let's discuss concussions, broken bones, deep wounds, and brain injuries suffered by law enforcement officials. I seem to recall >150 documented injured members of law enforcement.
Is it your contention that all of these were fabricated?
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Many of the 3.5 million are “running free among us”. They are all definitionally criminals. Just so you understand, you are the one moving the goalposts. This is what you wrote that is factually incorrect.
You spout nonsense again, I smack you down again.
