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These are not political prisoners

The trump haters have no legs to stand on with the J6 stuff when most everyone got away with no punishments over the Floyd riots. 196 buildings torched in Minneapolis and only like three people got jail sentences. Give me a break if they had wanted to prosecute these people they would have. Instead they simply turned a blind eye and went on defund the police rants.
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The trump haters have no legs to stand on with the J6 stuff when most everyone got away with no punishments over the Floyd riots. 196 buildings torched in Minneapolis and only like three people got jail sentences. Give me a break if they had wanted to prosecute these people they would have. Instead they simply turned a blind eye and went on defund the police rants.
I will say trump fckd this pardon up. No way some of these people should been pardoned
 
The trump haters have no legs to stand on with the J6 stuff when most everyone got away with no punishments over the Floyd riots. 196 buildings torched in Minneapolis and only like three people got jail sentences. Give me a break if they had wanted to prosecute these people they would have. Instead they simply turned a blind eye and went on defund the police rants.
I was wrong it was over 1000 buildings. What a joke only 11 charged.

More than 1,000 buildings were burned or damaged in Minneapolis in the days after George Floyd’s murder. Criminal charges have been filed in connection with 11 of them.

A year after ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin killed Floyd, setting off days of peaceful protest and nights of widespread destruction, nearly 100 people have faced felony charges in connection to the unrest. Most charging documents, however, seem to describe opportunistic burglars.

A fraction of the charges describe the defendants breaking into buildings or lighting fires, according to a Reformer review of citations and charges from the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Hennepin County, Ramsey County, the city of St. Paul and the city of Minneapolis.

Meanwhile, 95% of the 520 misdemeanor citations issued to protesters in Minneapolis have been dismissed.
 
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You believe nonsense. Don’t ever claim to support the police or say you believe in law and order and the rule of law again. You are supporting clemency for those that assaulted and injured cops. There is nothing Republican about that.


The prosecutors and judges in charge of this farce were far bigger threats to the rule of law than 90% of those charged. The difference is that the latter were punished, while incarcerated awaiting trial and after conviction, while the former were free to abuse their power with the encouragement of the corrupt Biden administration.
 
I will say trump fckd this pardon up. No way some of these people should been pardoned


While I would tend to agree with you, the whole operation was corrupt and f***ed up, including the FBI involvement up front which I hope will continue to be exposed, and many of those persecuted have already been excessively punished. There is no way to make the situation whole, and the activities of the government were more a more dangerous threat to the rule of law than were the rioters.
 
VanPastorMan, any response to this scenario, at all?
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While I would tend to agree with you, the whole operation was corrupt and f***ed up, including the FBI involvement up front which I hope will continue to be exposed, and many of those persecuted have already been excessively punished. There is no way to make the situation whole, and the activities of the government were more a more dangerous threat to the rule of law than were the rioters.
A blanket pardon is irresponsible. Needed to vet one by one and determine on a case by case basis. Impulsive trespass is different than battery/assault or proud boys who were coordinated. This kind of loyalty is not to be rewarded
 
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Okay, maybe I do need to explain it.

"They would be guilty, if they didn't use the caveats. They should be punished!!!"

Irony, hypocrisy, or hubris?...probably all three.

What a Biden did with that letter is of no consequence to the guilt of the 51. They won't see a trial over this and for good reason.
For nearly 250 years, the USA worldview has three basic tenets, one of which is Consequential Justice. These operatives had little fear that their obvious interference in the election would face any consequences during the former illegitimate, criminal administration.
They are now experiencing the first of many consequences for their actions. There will be more.
 
Did the DOJ kill this guy?


Penn State Grad. No criminal record, he entered through a door that was already open. DOJ asked for enhanced sentencing they wanted to put him away for 5+ years.

He took his own life as Garland’s DOJ dragged his case out and ruined his life over what would typically be known as trespassing.

So. Didn’t the Biden DOJ kill this guy? You start assigning fault for suicides you get into some real dicey territory.
Seeing red flags on social media, referring to 'Luigi II'.
 
A blanket pardon is irresponsible. Needed to vet one by one and determine on a case by case basis. Impulsive trespass is different than battery/assault or proud boys who were coordinated. This kind of loyalty is not to be rewarded


No way you can go case by case It was the largest investigation in American history. Thousands were charged. And it was a f***ed up political farce from the beginning. He probably should have held off on the more serious defendants pending a complete review, but there was never any basic fairness to those charged.
 
No way you can go case by case It was the largest investigation in American history. Thousands were charged. And it was a f***ed up political farce from the beginning. He probably should have held off on the more serious defendants pending a complete review, but there was never any basic fairness to those charged.
Sure you can. Every one will have a police report. You could have 2 people review the charges and narrative and cull through them in a week. I can go through a police report. Car crash report in less than 30 seconds

Then separate the easy pardons and take a better look at the rest
 
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I will say trump fckd this pardon up. No way some of these people should been pardoned
I agree, there are a handful that should not be pardoned, but I think even those should have reduced sentences.

For hundreds of others, not only should they receive pardons, but I think some should be paid reparations for what the government did. The government was shameful and awful. The prosecution got into evidence, over strenuous objections, against peaceful and nonviolent defendants a 20 minute edited video of the worst violence. None of that video showed many defendants doing any violence. The prejudice is obvious and I think would result in reversing convictions on appeal. The trial judge was of a single unchanging mind about J6.
 
Sure you can. Every one will have a police report. You could have 2 people review the charges and narrative and cull through them in a week. I can go through a police report. Car crash report in less than 30 seconds

Then separate the easy pardons and take a better look at the rest
Trump is going to have a real shitstorm on his hands if one of these pardons commits a violent crime. And deservedly so.
 
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Presidential pardons should ALWAYS be considered on a case-by-case basis. It's a powerful tool, to declare that the law no longer applies.
 
Sure you can. Every one will have a police report. You could have 2 people review the charges and narrative and cull through them in a week. I can go through a police report. Car crash report in less than 30 seconds
My sense is that the ones clearly identified as Federal agents, Confidential Informants with prior criminal records and other paid provocateurs have the records of their identities and activities among the myriad of documents destroyed by the corrupt J6 Committee.
 
Trump is going to have a real shitstorm on his hands if one of these pardons commits a violent crime. And deservedly so.
Jd is super smart. He hung his balls out agreeing to be vp. If I were him I’d pick a problem that people recognize, that can be ameliorated, and publicly focus on that. Like Harris was border czar. Get declared something and go do that
 
Many of Biden's pardons were full of shit.

That doesn't keep many of Trump's pardons from also being full of shit.
 
I was wrong it was over 1000 buildings. What a joke only 11 charged.

More than 1,000 buildings were burned or damaged in Minneapolis in the days after George Floyd’s murder. Criminal charges have been filed in connection with 11 of them.

A year after ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin killed Floyd, setting off days of peaceful protest and nights of widespread destruction, nearly 100 people have faced felony charges in connection to the unrest. Most charging documents, however, seem to describe opportunistic burglars.

A fraction of the charges describe the defendants breaking into buildings or lighting fires, according to a Reformer review of citations and charges from the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Hennepin County, Ramsey County, the city of St. Paul and the city of Minneapolis.

Meanwhile, 95% of the 520 misdemeanor citations issued to protesters in Minneapolis have been dismissed.
Weren’t all the Weather Underground bombers pardoned or have charges dismissed by the Dems? At least some did I think.

Pretty hilarious watching the Dems go ballistic over some peaceful trespassers being let out.
 
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Disgusting


What reason is there to disbelieve his assertion that there is no way he could get a fair trial? That was likely the case.

Assuming the guy's guilt, 22 years in prison? Adolph Fricking Hitler got 5 years for the Beer Hall Putsch, and was out after 9 months.

How much time did Fauci and Mayorkas get for lying to Congress? Why did Bannon gets 8 months for not producing docs when Fauci lied about the pandemic and Mayorkas lied about the border, with no consequences?

Show me some "rule of law" as it applied to the Dems for the last 4 years and I'll feel bad about the pardons.
 
What reason is there to disbelieve his assertion that there is no way he could get a fair trial? That was likely the case.

Assuming the guy's guilt, 22 years in prison? Adolph Fricking Hitler got 5 years for the Beer Hall Putsch, and was out after 9 months.

How much time did Fauci and Mayorkas get for lying to Congress? Why did Bannon gets 8 months for not producing docs when Fauci lied about the pandemic and Mayorkas lied about the border, with no consequences?

Show me some "rule of law" as it applied to the Dems for the last 4 years and I'll feel bad about the pardons.

 
true: it is reasonable to give some J6 criminals a pardon

also true: it is entirely unreasonable to give almost every single J6 criminal a pardon, and the rest a commutation.

Is this hard? It's basically JD Vance's position, the last we heard of him, before he was muzzled
 
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But it may be the case that some died as a result of the riot -- either directly or indirectly.
I think statements like this are highly irresponsible. These in the category of the J6’ers claim the 2020 election was crooked. Yet I know Big Democrats and Big Media pushed this exact point.

As far as I know, no evidence has been suggested to prove this.
 
I think statements like this are highly irresponsible. These in the category of the J6’ers claim the 2020 election was crooked. Yet I know Big Democrats and Big Media pushed this exact point.

As far as I know, no evidence has been suggested to prove this.
Well, nobody knows everything that factors into a suicide.

We don’t know that J6 played in role in them. But we also don’t know that it didn’t.

So it’s just the kind of thing where I’ll leave open the possibility.
 
Well, nobody knows everything that factors into a suicide.

We don’t know that J6 played in role in them. But we also don’t know that it didn’t.

So it’s just the kind of thing where I’ll leave open the possibility.
I would think that if an ME felt J6 injuries led directly to a death of a cop the person or persons causing the injuries, if identified, would also be charged with manslaughter, at least. I’m not a lawyer but I have watched a few cop shows and movies. ;)
 
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Well, nobody knows everything that factors into a suicide.

We don’t know that J6 played in role in them. But we also don’t know that it didn’t.

So it’s just the kind of thing where I’ll leave open the possibility.
There is such a thing as a psychological autopsy that could speak to the issue. I’m not aware of any being employed for these suicides. Those with vested political interests in inflaming passions wouldn’t want one anyway.
 
I would think that if an ME felt J6 injuries led directly to a death of a cop the person or persons causing the injuries, if identified, would also be charged with manslaughter, at least. I’m not a lawyer but I have watched a few cop shows and movies. ;)
Not suicide and not heart attacks from natural causes
 
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Not suicide and not heart attacks from natural causes
Sure. I know they didn’t find a direct link. Those that say that the rioters “killed” the police officers are peddling unsupported allegations. If they were actually supported there would have been appropriate charges for their deaths and there weren’t any.
 
What reason is there to disbelieve his assertion that there is no way he could get a fair trial? That was likely the case.

Assuming the guy's guilt, 22 years in prison? Adolph Fricking Hitler got 5 years for the Beer Hall Putsch, and was out after 9 months.

How much time did Fauci and Mayorkas get for lying to Congress? Why did Bannon gets 8 months for not producing docs when Fauci lied about the pandemic and Mayorkas lied about the border, with no consequences?

Show me some "rule of law" as it applied to the Dems for the last 4 years and I'll feel bad about the pardons.
Fauci did as good a job as anyone could have. He was very helpful and saved lots of lives

The violent vermin that Trump just released are now free to commit more viloent crimes.

You cannot be this ignorant.
 
17K with prior criminal convictions caught by BPD in FY2024.


However the real number is 3 million as that is the number of inadmissible encounters.


Tack on another 500K or so for known getaways.

Needless to say you are orders of magnitude off no matter how you slice it.
Those you cite are not running free among us like the J6 violent criminals.

Nice attempt to twist the facts.
 
The trump haters have no legs to stand on with the J6 stuff when most everyone got away with no punishments over the Floyd riots. 196 buildings torched in Minneapolis and only like three people got jail sentences. Give me a break if they had wanted to prosecute these people they would have. Instead they simply turned a blind eye and went on defund the police rants.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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