These are not political prisoners

[crazed_hoosier2]

He’s inviting some serious lawsuits and court challenges.

Given the history of what happened here, I’m fine with that.

I’d guess that their attorney will have a hard time arguing that the 1st amendment protects their right to a security clearance - particularly when they were recklessly peddling a lie to influence an election and besmirching the credibility of the intelligence community in the process.

Let’s shine more light on what they did…even if they prevail. These people deserve having their reputations ruined.

You’d expect that sort of thing from Russian intelligence….but not our own.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

We will not agree on this. What happened on J6 and by Trump and cronies prior to it is a disgrace. These J6 convicts are criminals. There is nothing heroic about them. I’m a Republican because I still align with more Republican policies than not and don’t align with Democrats on much of anything, but this, Trump, and MAGA culture make it very hard. It’s a disgrace. It’s an embarrassment to see it defended by fellow Republicans. Especially guys like you when we’ve been aligned on most things for 20+ years here. Enjoy the victory, but keep in mind that no one has a duty to agree with or defend everything our President says or does.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to post. I opposed Trump with my checkbook, my vote and with posts on this forum during the 2024 primary season. I severely criticized his 2020 post election behavior and said all who violated the law on J6 should be prosecuted. The prosecutors must strictly adhere to the rules. You are well aware of all of this.

But when it came down to it, I’m very pleased Kamala is not President. You should agree and ought to say so. 2/3’s of the country said we were on the wrong track with Biden. I’m one of that majority. Trump was the only antidote for the Democrat disaster. But he does have side effects.

I still don’t know what “MAGA culture” is. We have discussed this before but IIRC all I got was isolationism and unwillingness to compromise. I don’t think either describes Trump. In fact, Trumps position about Canada, Greenland, and Panama are the opposite if isolationism and are very progressive positions.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Given the history of what happened here, I’m fine with that.

I’d guess that their attorney will have a hard time arguing that the 1st amendment protects their right to a security clearance - particularly when they were recklessly peddling a lie to influence an election and besmirching the credibility of the intelligence community in the process.

Let’s shine more light on what they did…even if they prevail. These people deserve having their reputations ruined.

You’d expect that sort of thing from Russian intelligence….but not our own.

Shine a light on it. I’m all for it. My guess is nearly all of them believed everything in the letter because it actually had the earmarks of Russian disinformation. The guy who organized it? Probably not. I said that it should have been covered by all the press. It was covered by Fox and was all over social media. It was known of. I sincerely fail to see how it would have changed to 2020 election. Years later it still only proves Hunter was an addict and sleazebag.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to post. I opposed Trump with my checkbook, my vote and with posts on this forum during the 2024 primary season. I severely criticized his 2020 post election behavior and said all who violated the law on J6 should be prosecuted. The prosecutors must strictly adhere to the rules. You are well aware of all of this.

But when it came down to it, I’m very pleased Kamala is not President. You should agree and ought to say so. 2/3’s of the country said we were on the wrong track with Biden. I’m one of that majority. Trump was the only antidote for the Democrat disaster. But he does have side effects.

I still don’t know what “MAGA culture” is. We have discussed this before but IIRC all I got was isolationism and unwillingness to compromise. I don’t think either describes Trump. In fact, Trumps position about Canada, Greenland, and Panama are the opposite if isolationism and are very progressive positions.

I think you know what MAGA culture is. We can discuss it separately. I’m out. Great game tonight and I’m going to bed.

 

[IUINSB]

Trespassers should not get that much time.

What about those who attacked and injured police officers?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Shine a light on it. I’m all for it. My guess is nearly all of them believed everything in the letter because it actually had the earmarks of Russian disinformation. The guy who organized it? Probably not. I said that it should have been covered by all the press. It was covered by Fox and was all over social media. It was known of. I sincerely fail to see how it would have changed to 2020 election. Years later it still only proves Hunter was an addict and sleazebag.

They had absolutely no basis upon which to make that declaration.

Let me put it this way: the only alternative to them lying is that they’re utterly incompetent at what they do. Either way, what they did was terrible for the credibility of the IC…which wasn’t really great to begin with in the wake of things like Snowden and Iraq.

I have no idea what impact it had on the election outcome. But that really doesn’t matter, does it?

And to make matters worse, not a peep from a single one of them after it became clear that Russia had nothing to do with it. Just breathtaking hubris from people who are supposed to be respected career professionals.

And they’re not hostile foreign actors - they’re ours!

I realize that this is personal to Trump. But, unlike the J6 Committee members, these 51 actually deserve what’s coming at them. What they did caused harm beyond Donald Trump.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Given the history of what happened here, I’m fine with that.

I’d guess that their attorney will have a hard time arguing that the 1st amendment protects their right to a security clearance - particularly when they were recklessly peddling a lie to influence an election and besmirching the credibility of the intelligence community in the process.

Let’s shine more light on what they did…even if they prevail. These people deserve having their reputations ruined.

You’d expect that sort of thing from Russian intelligence….but not our own.

I don’t think any will sue. They’d have sit for a deposition.. They’d would be exposed as dishonest, stupid, political hacks or maybe all three. None of them will risk it.

 

[76-1]

I don’t think any will sue. They’d have sit for a deposition.. They’d would be exposed as dishonest, stupid, political hacks or maybe all three. None of them will risk it.

No one has a "right" to a security clearance at any rate...

Continuing them for those who've been retired for more than two years seems foolish at best...

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

No one has a "right" to a security clearance at any rate...

Continuing them for those who've been retired for more than two years seems foolish at best...

I’ve always kind of wondered about that.

I’m sure they have their reasons for clearances to remain valid past retirement. Probably because the things they know may continue to be of value when put together with things they’d have to have a current clearance to learn. Just an uneducated guess.

 

[twenty02]

I’ve always kind of wondered about that.

I’m sure they have their reasons for clearances to remain valid past retirement. Probably because the things they know may continue to be of value when put together with things they’d have to have a current clearance to learn. Just an uneducated guess.

Vast majority of them don't even have active clearances. More bullshit to fill the space

 

[76-1]

I’ve always kind of wondered about that.

I’m sure they have their reasons for clearances to remain valid past retirement. Probably because the things they know may continue to be of value when put together with things they’d have to have a current clearance to learn. Just an uneducated guess.

My guess is they are considered to be emergency recall-able much like a military officer is post retirement... I believe their usefulness degrades much more rapidly than a military officers with any serious time away from their respective services however...

That particular retirement perk (post retirement clearance retainment) seems to me to be a "courtesy" that's open to abuse with very little pay off to our country in return over the long haul...

There needs to be a clearly delineated, valid operational reason why someone should be allowed to keep their clearance more than 24 months post retirement (in my mind) and if that reason doesn't exist than the clearance should never be extended (for anyone, not even a former President) in my book...

 

[twenty02]

My guess is they are considered to be emergency recall-able much like a military officer is post retirement... I believe their usefulness degrades much more rapidly than a military officers with any serious time away from their respective services however...

That particular retirement perk (post retirement clearance retainment) seems to me to be a "courtesy" that's open to abuse with very little pay off to our country in return over the long haul...

There needs to be a clearly delineated, valid operational reason why someone should be allowed to keep their clearance more than 24 months post retirement (in my mind) and if that reason doesn't exist than the clearance should never be extended (for anyone, not even a former President) in my book...

They would not have clearance unless they were actively working for a govt agency or contractor within the last 2 years. None of them get what you describe. And almost everyone on this list doesn't have one

It's more fabricated bullshit from Trump. Get used to it. Fake as his hair color.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

They would not have clearance unless they were actively working for a govt agency or contractor within the last 2 years. None of them get what you describe. And almost everyone on this list doesn't have one

It's more fabricated bullshit from Trump. Get used to it. Fake as his hair color.

Be that as it may, I’m still in favor of it. Our intel people really shouldn’t be doing things like that - retired or otherwise.