The Most Blatantly Obvious Best Path Forward For College Football.

[i'vegotwinners]

the key to IU and most schools being more successful isn't coaching musical chairs, it's moving from the beyond insane bogus NIL total scam model to allowing the schools themselves X number of dollars a yr to pay players, with a hard salary cap like the NFL. (tuition, board, books, doesn't count against the cap).

the entire hope for the future of the football "have nots", which is 90% of the big schools, lies in moving from the bogus NIL scam to allowing some in house funded pay for players, with a hard salary cap.

i know for absolute fact this will work far better than the current insanity or past model, because i see how well it works literally every yr.

the football "haves" would no doubt fight it the hardest, but they are a small minority of the schools.

as perhaps would some ADs, that love the idea of none of player compensation coming out of their own pockets.

we've come from a model where the rich get richer, to a model where the rich get even more richer than the previous rich get richer model.

just as with NIL, many players would possibly/probably still just get a scholly, which is a good deal in of itself, but a reasonable salary cap would allow far more schools to compete for players they need to be successful, and keep the elite schools from hoarding said players nearly as much.

this isn't rocket science, since we've already been shown how fabulously well such a model works, and what a total clusterfk the current disaster model is for 90% of schools.

this would also allow for the NCAA or any such school based organization to take back control of the situation, which they flat can't do when outside parties have great financial influence.

something i hate more than anything, is when someone is shown what works far better than what they are doing, and out of stubbornness or stupidity or a combination of both, still refuses to go the route of doing what has been shown to work far better.

Sincerely,

Mr Obvious

 

[kmathum]

the key to IU and most schools being more successful isn't coaching musical chairs, it's moving from the beyond insane bogus NIL total scam model to allowing the schools themselves X number of dollars a yr to pay players, with a hard salary cap like the NFL. (tuition, board, books, doesn't count against the cap).

the entire hope for the future of the football "have nots", which is 90% of the big schools, lies in moving from the bogus NIL scam to allowing some in house funded pay for players, with a hard salary cap.

i know for absolute fact this will work far better than the current insanity or past model, because i see how well it works literally every yr.

the football "haves" would no doubt fight it the hardest, but they are a small minority of the schools.

as perhaps would some ADs, that love the idea of none of player compensation coming out of their own pockets.

we've come from a model where the rich get richer, to a model where the rich get even more richer than the previous rich get richer model.

just as with NIL, many players would possibly/probably still just get a scholly, which is a good deal in of itself, but a reasonable salary cap would allow far more schools to compete for players they need to be successful, and keep the elite schools from hoarding said players nearly as much.

this isn't rocket science, since we've already been shown how fabulously well such a model works, and what a total clusterfk the current disaster model is for 90% of schools.

this would also allow for the NCAA or any such school based organization to take back control of the situation, which they flat can't do when outside parties have great financial influence.

something i hate more than anything, is when someone is shown what works far better than what they are doing, and out of stubbornness or stupidity or a combination of both, still refuses to go the route of doing what has been shown to work far better.

Sincerely,

Mr Obvious

Interesting, but I still think coaching matters a lot

 

[82hoosier]

Or, on the flip side, a lack of coaching.

 

[oldcougar77]

the key to IU and most schools being more successful isn't coaching musical chairs, it's moving from the beyond insane bogus NIL total scam model to allowing the schools themselves X number of dollars a yr to pay players, with a hard salary cap like the NFL. (tuition, board, books, doesn't count against the cap).

the entire hope for the future of the football "have nots", which is 90% of the big schools, lies in moving from the bogus NIL scam to allowing some in house funded pay for players, with a hard salary cap.

i know for absolute fact this will work far better than the current insanity or past model, because i see how well it works literally every yr.

the football "haves" would no doubt fight it the hardest, but they are a small minority of the schools.

as perhaps would some ADs, that love the idea of none of player compensation coming out of their own pockets.

we've come from a model where the rich get richer, to a model where the rich get even more richer than the previous rich get richer model.

just as with NIL, many players would possibly/probably still just get a scholly, which is a good deal in of itself, but a reasonable salary cap would allow far more schools to compete for players they need to be successful, and keep the elite schools from hoarding said players nearly as much.

this isn't rocket science, since we've already been shown how fabulously well such a model works, and what a total clusterfk the current disaster model is for 90% of schools.

this would also allow for the NCAA or any such school based organization to take back control of the situation, which they flat can't do when outside parties have great financial influence.

something i hate more than anything, is when someone is shown what works far better than what they are doing, and out of stubbornness or stupidity or a combination of both, still refuses to go the route of doing what has been shown to work far better.

Sincerely,

Mr Obvious

The whole reason NIL is a thing is because the courts ruled that the NCAA cannot prevent student-athletes from earning outside income. This isn't something that the NCAA has any control over. The only way this current model goes away (and I fully agree that it's an insane concept that threatens college sports as we have always known it) is for Congress to step in and legislate a different one. Do your homework and you will see that what is in place is not something that the NCAA wants or encourages, and the NCAA fully understands all the problems it creates. Where the NCAA shit the bed is in failing to produce any kind of alternative compensation plan to present to the courts. Instead, in its arrogance, laziness, and shortsightedness it went into the legal battle determined that it would prevail in retaining the status quo. That didn't happen. The NCAA had no backup plan, so the courts simply said that absent an alternative model the wild west free-for-all that is the current status is what will be. In fact, the only restriction the court recognized is that the NCAA can restrict its member schools from directly compensating athletes above the value of their educational expenses. What you advocate is certainly a better plan, but don't blame the NCAA for not enacting it. By order of the court it has no authority to limit outside earnings.

 

[TMFT]

I think the inevitable is a super league of the schools that want to engage in the arms race and a throwback league where it’s, hear me out, honest to god student athletes.

 

[TomEric4756]

Yes, a NIL Cap won’t be accepted under the current ruling which doesn’t specify a cap For any individual.
Endorsements don’t count as part of the NFL salary cap, you can make more in commercial endorsements than your NFL salary. There is a calculus that playing for a winning team where taking less salary cap money could mean more than the foregone capped income in bigger endorsements.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

🙄

 

[ams66]

In your NFL model would we also have a draft where teams pick in the opposite order of the final standings of the previous season? I mean why not? If they are getting paid like pros, treat them like pros.

 

[Klaus 7196]

I think the inevitable is a super league of the schools that want to engage in the arms race and a throwback league where it’s, hear me out, honest to god student athletes.

You may be right, and that is the consensus, but I think a lot of the top schools will balk at a super league. They have a 12 game schedule and will need to fill it out with some cupcakes and mediocre schools.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

The whole reason NIL is a thing is because the courts ruled that the NCAA cannot prevent student-athletes from earning outside income. This isn't something that the NCAA has any control over. The only way this current model goes away (and I fully agree that it's an insane concept that threatens college sports as we have always known it) is for Congress to step in and legislate a different one. Do your homework and you will see that what is in place is not something that the NCAA wants or encourages, and the NCAA fully understands all the problems it creates. Where the NCAA shit the bed is in failing to produce any kind of alternative compensation plan to present to the courts. Instead, in its arrogance, laziness, and shortsightedness it went into the legal battle determined that it would prevail in retaining the status quo. That didn't happen. The NCAA had no backup plan, so the courts simply said that absent an alternative model the wild west free-for-all that is the current status is what will be. In fact, the only restriction the court recognized is that the NCAA can restrict its member schools from directly compensating athletes above the value of their educational expenses. What you advocate is certainly a better plan, but don't blame the NCAA for not enacting it. By order of the court it has no authority to limit outside earnings.

Yes, a NIL Cap won’t be accepted under the current ruling which doesn’t specify a cap For any individual.
Endorsements don’t count as part of the NFL salary cap, you can make more in commercial endorsements than your NFL salary. There is a calculus that playing for a winning team where taking less salary cap money could mean more than the foregone capped income in bigger endorsements.

i've addressed this before here.

everyone has always had NIL rights to their own name, image, likeness.

the schools/NCAA just required the players to assign over those rights to the schools as a condition of the scholly.

i'll assume it was always in the contract language of the scholly, otherwise it would have always been unenforceable would it have not.

if not, they could require so now as a condition of a scholly and any additional payment.

not a lawyer, but since the kids got/get something of value for assigning over said rights, i'll assume that would be totally legal.

i don't buy for 2 seconds the schools are legally stuck with the current NIL thing.

imo they didn't/don't fight it, because the schools and coaches were getting more and more grief from the media regarding the money the schools and coaches were pocketing, not sharing anything with the players, and going with NIL took media pressure off the schools, and NIL made it look like the kids were getting something while none of NIL money, in theory, was coming out of the schools' pockets.

that said, i see no way NIL continues long term or even operates today with the money all coming from the outside.

1), even most rich people will tire of funding this long term, especially if not tax deductible.

2), it's just way too easy for the schools/coaches themselves to legally launder the money through a third party and claim that satisfies the NIL requirements. (and notice we see almost zero accounting for where NIL money is coming from today, outside a few outlier instances).

i have no doubt much of NIL money is already originating from the schools, and just being laundered through third parties.

regardless, i don't see how requiring the players to assign over their NIL rights to the schools as a condition of a scholly is illegal, since there is significant compensation, the scholly, (plus anything else they receive), for doing so..

those who are lawyers are more than free to correct me if i'm wrong on this.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Interesting, but I still think coaching matters a lot

it does, but how much of that is recruiting based?

college football all time coaching icons John McKay, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier, were collectively 627 - 197 - 8 coaching in college,

they were collectively 71 - 125 coaching in the NFL, where they couldn't recruit their rosters.

how's Bill Belichick doing without Brady?

not sayin, just saying.

i'm not saying my proposal is perfect.

just way better than anything else college fball could do, especially for the 90% of major schools.

 

[oldcougar77]

i've addressed this before here.

everyone has always had NIL rights to their own name, image, likeness.

the schools/NCAA just required the players to assign over those rights to the schools as a condition of the scholly.

i'll assume it was always in the contract language of the scholly, otherwise it would have always been unenforceable would it have not.

if not, they could require so now as a condition of a scholly and any additional payment.

not a lawyer, but since the kids got/get something of value for assigning over said rights, i'll assume that would be totally legal.

i don't buy for 2 seconds the schools are legally stuck with the current NIL thing.

imo they didn't/don't fight it, because the schools and coaches were getting more and more grief from the media regarding the money the schools and coaches were pocketing, not sharing anything with the players, and going with NIL took media pressure off the schools, and NIL made it look like the kids were getting something while none of NIL money, in theory, was coming out of the schools' pockets.

that said, i see no way NIL continues long term or even operates today with the money all coming from the outside.

1), even most rich people will tire of funding this long term, especially if not tax deductible.

2), it's just way too easy for the schools/coaches themselves to legally launder the money through a third party and claim that satisfies the NIL requirements. (and notice we see almost zero accounting for where NIL money is coming from today, outside a few outlier instances).

i have no doubt much of NIL money is already originating from the schools, and just being laundered through third parties.

regardless, i don't see how requiring the players to assign over their NIL rights to the schools as a condition of a scholly is illegal, since there is significant compensation, the scholly, (plus anything else they receive), for doing so..

those who are lawyers are more than free to correct me if i'm wrong on this.

No, those contracts themselves are now illegal and unenforceable. In short, the schools cannot legally prevent or limit any outside income earned by student-athletes for any purpose other than actually being paid to play the sport professionally. Forcing the student athlete to sign over their NIL rights was the entire crux of the case. In the view of the court, a student-atlete earning NIL money is no different than a non-athlete working a summer job as a paid intern or as an employee of a business owned by a family friend. Regardless of how much you want it to be so, schools absolutely cannot now prevent outside income of student-athletes for any purpose including direct payment by boosters of the program for legitimate work, including signing autographs, doing appearances or advertising, etc. The school itself cannot pay the SA, nor can school officials be directly involved in making the arrangements for NIL compensation, but we all know the latter is a joke and unenforceable.
What you are insisting in this argument that you are making is patently wrong. Please do deeper research instead of continuing to insist that you are correct here. Doesn't it occur to you at all that if what you are insisting is true and legal, that is exactly what the NCAA would be doing ?

 

[i'vegotwinners]

No, those contracts themselves are now illegal and unenforceable. In short, the schools cannot legally prevent or limit any outside income earned by student-athletes for any purpose other than actually being paid to play the sport professionally. Forcing the student athlete to sign over their NIL rights was the entire crux of the case. In the view of the court, a student-atlete earning NIL money is no different than a non-athlete working a summer job as a paid intern or as an employee of a business owned by a family friend. Regardless of how much you want it to be so, schools absolutely cannot now prevent outside income of student-athletes for any purpose including direct payment by boosters of the program for legitimate work, including signing autographs, doing appearances or advertising, etc. The school itself cannot pay the SA, nor can school officials be directly involved in making the arrangements for NIL compensation, but we all know the latter is a joke and unenforceable.
What you are insisting in this argument that you are making is patently wrong. Please do deeper research instead of continuing to insist that you are correct here. Doesn't it occur to you at all that if what you are insisting is true and legal, that is exactly what the NCAA would be doing ?

i didn't realize you were a lawyer with expertise on the subject.

nor do i think you are.

you are talking out your ass and making sht up. (the real question is why)?

and iirc we've had this debate before, and you couldn't provide anything to back your claim, or any link to such a bizarre ruling.

people sign over such rights every day in exchange for compensation, in all sorts of industries. (see the music industry, publishing, personal management, ip rights in research, etc, etc).

one's NIL rights is an asset, and an asset that can be sold or traded for compensation like any other asset.

they cannot be forced to be given up absent compensation, as that would be an unenforceable contract.

i don't believe for 2 seconds SCOTUS ruled that athlete's can't assign over said rights in exchange for compensation for doing so. (which is probably why you can't back your bizarre claim).


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that said, for the most part the whole NIL thing is a total scam to begin with for those getting significant money, other than maybe less than 1 percent of cases.

other than that less than 1% where someone is actually getting significant money for their NIL, (Caleb Williams, the girl gymnast, Bryce Young, no doubt other rare outliers), it's just a total scam and basically pay for play, with no doubt much of the money eventually coming indirectly from the schools laundered through 3rd parties.

long term and on the whole, athletes will do just as well or better under my plan, the sport and schools as a whole will be much healthier, and it will be legit, (thus the schools and sport will be legit rather than a scam), rather than the total scam it now for the most part is, absent the rare outlier instances.

and legit is better than scam, and long term likely far more viable.

the amount and dispersion of such a cap, is another debate.

 

[oldcougar77]

i didn't realize you were a lawyer with expertise on the subject.

nor do i think you are.

you are talking out your ass and making sht up. (the real question is why)?

and iirc we've had this debate before, and you couldn't provide anything to back your claim, or any link to such a bizarre ruling.

people sign over such rights every day in exchange for compensation, in all sorts of industries. (see the music industry, publishing, personal management, ip rights in research, etc, etc).

one's NIL rights is an asset, and an asset that can be sold or traded for compensation like any other asset.

they cannot be forced to be given up absent compensation, as that would be an unenforceable contract.

i don't believe for 2 seconds SCOTUS ruled that athlete's can't assign over said rights in exchange for compensation for doing so. (which is probably why you can't back your bizarre claim).


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that said, for the most part the whole NIL thing is a total scam to begin with for those getting significant money, other than maybe less than 1 percent of cases.

other than that less than 1% where someone is actually getting significant money for their NIL, (Caleb Williams, the girl gymnast, Bryce Young, no doubt other rare outliers), it's just a total scam and basically pay for play, with no doubt much of the money eventually coming indirectly from the schools laundered through 3rd parties.

long term and on the whole, athletes will do just as well or better under my plan, the sport and schools as a whole will be much healthier, and it will be legit, (thus the schools and sport will be legit rather than a scam), rather than the total scam it now for the most part is, absent the rare outlier instances.

and legit is better than scam, and long term likely far more viable.

the amount and dispersion of such a cap, is another debate.

Nothing like a narcissistic douche who doubles down when his ignorance is called out. Dunning-Kreuger must have used you as exhibit A. Which degree did you earn first - law, civil engineering, telecommunication ? Any other fields in which you consider yourself an expert ?

 

[TR32]

If the Big Ten conference used TV money to pay recruits directly, you allow a kid to enter the conference draft and take what may be a larger paycheck than NIL to go to the teams in the draft.

If you want to get paid by OSU and have to fight for PT at linebacker, fine. Or, you take the guaranteed conference money and go to a school like IU and get paid more than the average recruit does.

The conference could build something of a draft. Doesn't prevent anyone from earning anything, it just gives monetary incentive and a fair draft order to go to a team that otherwise couldn't land those recruits with their own funds.

Conference is better overall, everyone else follows suit, everyone wins.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

What a hot turd shat by a hot turd of a thread. Lmao.