The Lack of Improvement and Regression after that.

[hgdownunder]

This is true; Archie reached out to Durham, Smith and Moore and begged them to stay. Sorry if u don’t like the truth.

Yes, he did. But few incoming coaches don’t try to do that.

 

[IU1974]

Yes, he did. But few incoming coaches don’t try to do that.

I agree. It was only fair to the three players since once they accepted IU’s initial offer, all other potential offers ceased, therefore, they assumed at least their 2018-2019 playing season & academic future were locked in, and who knows where they may have ended up. To cut them loose at that point and not honor a commitment by one party would have had a negative perception. If they chose to leave when Archie was hired and had not accepted his re-commitment to them, then so be it.

 

[snarlcakes]

you're after quantity and not quality, no?

Or I could be correct that Archie isn’t any good. Don’t worry, I rarely post in the off-season. You guys can blow sunshine up your a#%es all summer. I’m sure T.M.P will read some articles on chemistry and report back to you guys.

 

[IUCrazy2]

No, he couldn't. For the reasons explained above.

You guys are making this harder than it needs to be.

Is that the case if they never had been on campus? When Archie reached out to Smith, Moore, and Durham and asked them to stay, they were still HS seniors. Is your APR really impacted if a guy you recruited has a change of heart (or you do) and they never make it on campus? I honestly do not know but that seems off to me.

 

[hondo314]

Or I could be correct that Archie isn’t any good. Don’t worry, I rarely post in the off-season. You guys can blow sunshine up your a#%es all summer. I’m sure T.M.P will read some articles on chemistry and report back to you guys.

you could be correct but still way more evidence to date suggests he can do the job. guess time will tell. damn, really going to miss your informative and non-repetitive posts. and you didn't have to tell us you don;t follow basketball in the off season; you don;t really follow it during the season...

 

[snarlcakes]

you could be correct but still way more evidence to date suggests he can do the job. guess time will tell. damn, really going to miss your informative and non-repetitive. and you didn't have to tell us you don;t follow basketball in the off season; you don;t really follow it during the season...

I assumed you would be sad about it. You got me. I’m one of those silly people who base my opinions on our 13-11 record and losing 9 of 10, after a 12-2 start.

You do have a good point. Maybe I should follow IU basketball in the off-season and not watch it during the season. I would enjoy it a lot more.

 

[iubud]

-An overall record of 29-26.
-Numerous losses at home by teams with similar talent or inferior talent.
-Coaching one of the worst collapses in IU basketball history.
-The regression of a majority of players on the team.
-A putrid offense
-The screw ups at the end of the OSU game. Why wasn’t Davis in the game?
-He currently has a losing record against Rutgers

You aren't telling us how a different coach would have been any better rebuilding a poor team with one recruiting class.

 

[ge-off]

You might be the most uninformed bleeding gash in the history of this board. And that's saying something. You have no idea what you're talking about. And all your little partners in crime here are just as culpable.

The decision to retain the Crean players wasn't up to Archie. It had to do with the state of the program after Tom left and the abysmal APR numbers thanks to all the roster turnover because of the previous coach.

Durham,Smith, and Moore would NOT have affected APR. they were not enrolled! Geesh. Get it right. APR does not include commitments. Just stop.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

While the APR is intended as an incentive-based approach, it does come with a progression of penalties for teams that under-perform academically over time.

The first penalty level limits teams to 16 hours of practice per week over five days (as opposed to 20 over six days), with the lost four hours to be replaced with academic activities.

A second level adds additional practice and competition reductions, either in the traditional or non-championship season, to the first-level penalties. The third level, where teams could remain until their rate improves, includes a menu of possible penalties, including coaching suspensions, financial aid reductions and restricted NCAA membership. The Division I Committee on Academics, which oversees Division I’s academic infrastructure, has the discretion to apply appropriate penalties once teams have fallen below the benchmark for three consecutive years.

While postseason bans are commonly applied as a penalty in the NCAA enforcement process, they are not considered as a penalty for poor academic performance. Instead, the requirement that teams achieve a minimum APR is simply a benchmark for participation in championships. Just as teams must win in competition to be eligible for championships, they must also achieve in the classroom.

 

[Rakkasan29]

Durham,Smith, and Moore would NOT have affected APR. they were not enrolled! Geesh. Get it right. APR does not include commitments. Just stop.

Well..I didn't specifically mention Durham, Smith, or Moore. The rest of the roster was made up of Crean players as well, btw.

But you're right...how terrible of Archie to honor the commitment of those players to play for Indiana.

Oh, and the rankings of the players in that class...
Smith (78)
Thompson (134)
Moore (151)
Durham (230)

One player in the Top 100, Smith, ...and how's he working out?

That was the class Crean "gifted" Miller.

Don't forget, once those players arrived on campus and played a year, any transfer would absolutely affect the APR numbers.

So...

Not gonna stop.