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The Great Wealth Transfer

Don't forget deregulating the banks and turning a blind eye to highly risky and illegitimate lending practices that tanked the economy. It took ten years to recover from that, while the haves got bailed out and the have nots were told that life just sucks sometimes.
You mean lending to people who didn't qualify? Yes, that was a bad, bad mistake.
 
I don’t disagree, but the numbers don’t really add up. Like I said earlier, fed student loan are capped at $5,500 a year. We will do that but it’s a small piece of $31k. I want her to stay away from private loans.

She will have a work study job, but the reality is that will be spending money and not be a big enough nut to impact the cost. Ditto on summer jobs. Sure I can tell her $2k goes to college but it’s a drop in the bucket.

The problem is the cost, not who pays for it.

It's brutal. I bought a rental house for each of my kids college. They'll each have a paid off house when it's time that are more then enough for school and they are still a decade+ away.

Rates were so low and prices hadn't blown up yet... At that value could still cash flow and now they are actually paid off and building cash in 529s off the rent. But housing prices /rates are such now that not even that is doable today. Two houses that are worth maybe $200-250k that rent for $1300 in a 8% mortgage world for investment homes are no bueno if starting now.

Not sure what I'd do today. I know people that pile 3-4k/mo into 529s but that's not realistic for most families.
 
Soccer son.
You still had to work for it. Everyone has a talent that they can develop.

I just think being poor is great motivation for finding a way to make things happen. I know it was for me.

My daughter, who had no athletic ability (she still won 10 letters in HS) to speak of, still studied hard and got an academic scholarship to IU. We paid her living costs, which were probably cheaper in the dorm than if she would have if living at home. So, she came out of college with no debt, which is awesome. But the academic part was on her and she came through.
 
It's brutal. I bought a rental house for each of my kids college. They'll each have a paid off house when it's time that are more then enough for school and they are still a decade+ away.

Rates were so low and prices hadn't blown up yet... At that value could still cash flow and now they are actually paid off and building cash in 529s off the rent. But housing prices /rates are such now that not even that is doable today. Two houses that are worth maybe $200-250k that rent for $1300 in a 8% mortgage world for investment homes are no bueno if starting now.

Not sure what I'd do today. I know people that pile 3-4k/mo into 529s but that's not realistic for most families.
 
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You still had to work for it. Everyone has a talent that they can develop.

I just think being poor is great motivation for finding a way to make things happen. I know it was for me.

My daughter, who had no athletic ability (she still won 10 letters in HS) to speak of, still studied hard and got an academic scholarship to IU. We paid her living costs, which were probably cheaper in the dorm than if she would have if living at home. So, she came out of college with no debt, which is awesome. But the academic part was on her and she came through.
Good stuff!!! I will say sports are zero work. And practicing is zero work. Kids do it because they love it and it’s fun. And honestly so much luck. I have the feet of God. No one in the national pool had more skill. But it took me a month to run from box to box. God giveth god taketh away. That’s how he laughs at me
 
Good stuff!!! I will say sports are zero work. And practicing is zero work. Kids do it because they love it and it’s fun. And honestly so much luck. I have the feet of God. No one in the national pool had more skill. But it took me a month to run from box to box. God giveth god taketh away
When I coached youth soccer (you'd laugh if you knew me - no one else would do it) I had a little girl, one of my daughter's friends, who wasn't particularly athletic, but she was OK. She had the quickest feet of any of the kids in the league. I put her on defense and she was awesome. These big boys would come down the field, looking to blast the ball, and she should step in and steal it from them.

Strategy-wise, I had no clue, really. But I could identify kids' strengths and tried to put them in positions where they'd be most effective and we did pretty well.
 
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When I coached youth soccer (you'd laugh if you knew me - no one else would do it) I had a little girl, one of my daughter's friends, who wasn't particularly athletic, but she was OK. She had the quickest feet of any of the kids in the league. I put her on defense and she was awesome. These big boys would come down the field, looking to blast the ball, and she should step in and steal it from them.

Strategy-wise, I had no clue, really. But I could identify kids' strengths and tried to put them in positions where they'd be most effective and we did pretty well.
That unique intuition is evident in your posts as you find weaknesses in the defenses of other posters and prey on same
 
That’s great, but doesn’t directly address
the question. If it’s too personal, tell me to fvck off. But I am intrigued by the complexity of the situation. I may be in a similar boat.
Not sure what you’re alluding to. When I talked to my son and daughter in law I impressed upon them to treat my X well and I never wanted them to use us against each other. My X is not the devil. We grew into oil and water. We should have never gotten married at ages 19 and 18. I stayed married very simply for my son. Had I gotten divorced when my son was 5/6 years old my X would have worked to make it as difficult as possible to be with him. He saw us argue loudly way too much but we were always there for everything for him.

He seems to have come out of it a fantastic young man.
 
We could fix all our problems with $90 trillion . . .

The 90 trillion dollars exist in various forms of assets.

Presumably the heirs to these assets will invest these assets in ways that will benefit others and solve problems.
 
Another nasty job was working in the chicken houses - many of those around where I grew up.

I worked for a farmer and used to drive the honey wagon up the the chicken house and they had a front-loader that scooped up shit and loaded it onto the wagon I was pulling. I then took it to the fields and spread it around. Not a terrible job, but one time the wind shifted and It covered me.... bad day at the office.
Yeah, but you can't beat those lunch break perks:

 
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Yea I was more interested in the waiting it out part. Not much fighting, I’m just a bit bored. But I spend too much time at work and with you guys, so the idea of making a change doesn’t make sense to me.


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You should join a book club. . .
 
When Clinton got elected, we were well down the road of deficit spending. With the help of another Boomer, Newt Gingrich, the budget deficit was under control, but we still had a then-sizeable national debt. Reagan wasn't a Boomer and deficit spending started in earnest under him. A big part of that was government obligations from past legislation, but the Defense budget also grew.

After Clinton, we financed 2 wars with deficit spending, along with more deficit spending due to the 2008/2009 collapse. Instead of letting the market work and letting companies like GM declare bankruptcy (which they did, but with government help) and reorganize and sell assets to more efficient companies, we bailed them out.

Congress has refused to revisit government programs that cause the runaway deficits, but those were passed pre-Boomers.

But if you're going to blame Boomers for the situation, you have to give them credit for developing entirely new industries around the internet, which took off in the last 80s/90s.

Budget deficits today are caused by government entitlement legislation passed before the Boomers. That's not their fault, but Congress has not had the courage, or the motivation, to change things, and that's across generations. Boomers aren't the only ones in Congress these days.

You are the Don King of book clubs
And flatbills. You might want to try that, too.
 
I understand. I'm just saying that that's a loooong time.

Were you pushing him to get married at a young age? "Hey son, you're 16 now, I'm not getting any younger. Time to find a wife, isn't it?"
You’re not going to believe me but I encouraged him not to get married young. If he would have waited until after 30 like I told him I wouldn’t have waited to get divorced.
 
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You’re not going to believe me but I encouraged him not to get married young. If he would have waited until after 30 like I told him I wouldn’t have waited to get divorced.
Ha. Of course I believe you. Given what you've said, it's obvious you'd caution your kid against that. My prior post was a joke, stoll.

I commend you for staying. I have too many people in my life telling me I should get divorced, deserve happiness, etc. They say Oh, the kids will be just fine. etc. etc. you need to be happy. Maybe they would be, maybe I'm making the wrong decision, but it's unknowable. And no one other than you has to live with that decision.
 
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Ha. Of course I believe you. Given what you've said, it's obvious you'd caution your kid against that. My prior post was a joke, stoll.

I commend you for staying. I have too many people in my life telling me I should get divorced, deserve happiness, etc. They say Oh, the kids will be just fine. etc. etc. you need to be happy. Maybe they would be, maybe I'm making the wrong decision, but it's unknowable. And no one other than you has to live with that decision.
It sounds like You’re going through exactly what I did. I don’t know the right answer.
 
Ha. Of course I believe you. Given what you've said, it's obvious you'd caution your kid against that. My prior post was a joke, stoll.

I commend you for staying. I have too many people in my life telling me I should get divorced, deserve happiness, etc. They say Oh, the kids will be just fine. etc. etc. you need to be happy. Maybe they would be, maybe I'm making the wrong decision, but it's unknowable. And no one other than you has to live with that decision.
I've always felt children shouldn't be collateral damage for adult bad decisions.

Unless there's mental abuse and/or physical violence, I think it's better for kids overall for parents to stick together and maintain a family unit.
 
Some people here don't realize their future in America doesn't depend on their parent's success or failure.
If I had done that I'd still be flipping burgers at McD... I think when my mom died in the mid 90s she was getting around $400/month in SS. Naturally I and my siblings sent her money.

You should join a book club. . .
Or one of those liar clubs you see in a lot of restaurants in the morning where all these older people are sitting at a table telling stories. :)

I commend you for staying. I have too many people in my life telling me I should get divorced, deserve happiness, etc.
I think, to a large extent, happiness is a choice. I know that I'll get a lot of push back on that statement,

16.5, 14.
Looks like there was a surprise in that group. 😅 😅
 

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That’s an awful take on wealth.

First of all, giving money to your kids is not n economic transfer.

Second, wealth is not a zero sum thing. People create wealth.

Third, the so-called wealth is largely a product of inflation.

Fourth, we have all the means necessary to equalize wealth. We do that by encouraging, creativity, risk-taking, entrepreneurship, good education etc.

Fifth, we can encourage #4 by increasing opportunities for ordinary people instead of crushing opportunities under the weight of more and more rules, regulations, and mandates. When we only focus on employee betterment, we will have more employees and fewer but larger employers. Small businesses are squeezed out.
 
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Or one of those liar clubs you see in a lot of restaurants in the morning where all these older people are sitting at a table telling stories.
Hey, you are talking about me here. One of the benefits of old age is that we can tell the same stories over and over because nobody remembers what you said the last time.
 
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That’s an awful take on wealth.

First of all, giving money to your kids is not n economic transfer.

Second, wealth is not a zero sum thing. People create wealth.

Third, the so-called wealth is largely a product of inflation.

Fourth, we have all the means necessary to equalize wealth. We do that by encouraging, creativity, risk-taking, entrepreneurship, good education etc.

Fifth, we can encourage #4 by increasing opportunities for ordinary people instead of crushing opportunities under the weight of more and more rules, regulations, and mandates. When we only focus on employee betterment, we will have more employees and fewer but larger employers. Small businesses are squeezed out.
Over the last 25 years 2 out of 3 jobs are created by small businesses. Entities the least equipped to deal with rules, regs, mandates etc.
 
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Over the last 25 years 2 out of 3 jobs are created by small businesses. Entities the least equipped to deal with rules, regs, mandates etc.
Yet they continue to create those jobs, and many thrive and prosper. It always has been so.
 
That’s an awful take on wealth.

First of all, giving money to your kids is not n economic transfer.

Second, wealth is not a zero sum thing. People create wealth.

Third, the so-called wealth is largely a product of inflation.

Fourth, we have all the means necessary to equalize wealth. We do that by encouraging, creativity, risk-taking, entrepreneurship, good education etc.

Fifth, we can encourage #4 by increasing opportunities for ordinary people instead of crushing opportunities under the weight of more and more rules, regulations, and mandates. When we only focus on employee betterment, we will have more employees and fewer but larger employers. Small businesses are squeezed out.
"Giving money" to someone is the very definition of an "economic transfer."

There might be other motivating reasons, sure, but it is what it is.
 
I don’t that’s true. I think most go under within five years. Or ten for sure

Of course. Small businesses are a high risk venture, and they come and go. Restaurants are the worst. Good cooks don't usually make for good business people. But that's been the case for as long as I can remember.
 
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Hey, you are talking about me here. One of the benefits of old age is that we can tell the same stories over and over because nobody remembers what you said the last time.
Oh I know what you mean.... I just think it's funny the way quite a few restaurants I've been in have a group like that. I don't blame you a bit.... I would probably enjoy it too.
 
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