No they’re not permanent. They can’t be because many are needed and the firings were done without regard to that. Stupid AF.
The DOGE Clown Show
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Have to move fast because of vested interests? He could have just said “swamp” or “deep state” or whatever BS. That’s the non-existent bogeyman they’ve got to serve up to their people. It’s sloppy because it’s not a serious effort. It also won’t stick because it’s not a serious effort. It wasn’t planned well and the execution has been a disaster…except for lawyers. It’s just dummies pretending to be deep state warriors in bed with awkward tech boys and their “move fast and break things” ethos.
But okay, we’re working against a non-existent deadline and breaking things we don’t understand. What could go wrong? So stupid.
IRS braces for $500bn drop in revenue as taxpayers skip filings in wake of DOGE cuts
Individuals were ‘wagering that auditors will not examine their accounts’ amid DOGE’s plans to downsize the IRS by nearly 20 percent ahead of tax filing season
www.the-independent.com
At least there is one person talking honestly about Social Security.
“We’re not being honest when we look people in the eye and say we’re not going to touch it. If we don’t touch it, it touches itself,” Curtis told “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker. “You know that, right? That’s not being honest with the American people, and I think that’s one of the things that makes them not trust us, when we say something that they just know is not true.”
GOP Sen. John Curtis says politicians are 'not being honest' when they say they won't touch Social Security
Curtis told “Meet the Press” that people near retirement are safe from changes but encouraged a discussion on “moving some of the variables around” for younger generations.
www.nbcnews.com
What came to mind with the bold part of quote -At least there is one person talking honestly about Social Security.
“We’re not being honest when we look people in the eye and say we’re not going to touch it. If we don’t touch it, it touches itself,” Curtis told “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker. “You know that, right? That’s not being honest with the American people, and I think that’s one of the things that makes them not trust us, when we say something that they just know is not true.”
GOP Sen. John Curtis says politicians are 'not being honest' when they say they won't touch Social Security
Curtis told “Meet the Press” that people near retirement are safe from changes but encouraged a discussion on “moving some of the variables around” for younger generations.www.nbcnews.com
$1 billion for a survey. Outrageous! And that makes it very unlikely to be true. Where in their budget would they get a billion for a survey?
Didn't see this thread because I have 'mania on Ignore...
The information presented on their Official website speaks for itself...
No, it doesn't. It's propaganda. It might in the long run turn out to be true, but it certainly doesn't "speak for itself."
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse.
Good luck, DOGE:
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
www.wired.com
Doing what musk does best— smashing paradigmsDOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse.
Good luck, DOGE:
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.www.wired.com
Wired probably couldn’t even explain how space X can catch the starship first stage booster.
If you read it your comment makes little sense. You’ve become reflexively defensive about all things Trump related, including Musk and DOGE.
Of course I read it. It’s a bunch of quotes to support the conclusion with a bunch of “could be’s” and “might be’s” with no support.
No effort at all to report on those actually doing the work.
I actually have my list of comments and criticisms about trump, but nobody has started a thread about any of it.
Obsessive posts about Musk won’t cut it. Everybody agreed the SS software needs to be changed, your criticism that Musk wants to do it in months instead of years makes no sense notwithstanding the vacuous Wired link. Post something about why it can’t be done.
Jesus Christ, COH. I didn't say it couldn't be done. I'm absolutely doubtful that it can be, but if they do it without ****ing everything up, more power to them. I know you're not an IT guy, but the IT Department, including developers, worked for me in my last active-duty assignment and for 12 and a half years of my civilian job as Chief Operations Officer after retiring from the military. We didn't have systems as the SSA's, and my developers and contracted developers couldn't have gotten that job done in "months," no way no how. And they were damned good - should be as much as we paid for them. How much are these guys going to be paid? Who are they? Is Musk footing the bill? You're reflexively defensive. This is obvious.
If you have a list of criticisms about Trump you're protecting that more fiercely than our SecDef and National Security Advisor protects Top Secret strike mission information.
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If this were actually true, you could have easily started it yourself.
I admit to being easily stimulated to respond to irrelevant or hyperbolic criticisms, pearl clutching, overstatements, and hypothetical harm.
I’d love to have a serious discussion about Trump, but that is obviously and absolutely impossible.
My list would include Greenland, Canada, Salvador prison, the 14th amendment, and more. But I know damn well there will never be an intelligent and interesting discussion.
I’m out.
There is real harm being done, not just hypothetical. Not talking about the SSA, yet, though that's started because firings and closing of service centers are making it harder for people to get the benefits they've earned. I'll wait on SS until this nonsense is over.
Those topics would be interesting to discuss for me. Try starting some.
There has been intelligent discussion about all of them. You haven't contributed.
I mean, there's been stupid discussion about them, too, so maybe you missed the intelligent parts. Not your fault.
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse.
Good luck, DOGE:
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.www.wired.com
Govt IT projects are a mess for many reasons, and have been for decades. Will be interesting to see how this plays out
I’ve tried.
My threads about first principles thinking and avoiding distracting snarks went nowhere. FWIW, I’d love to see a first principles thinker go into social security. Probably a key to why it shouldn’t take years to modernize. If all we are doing is updating a cumbersome system, why bother?
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Because it is pretty obvious you can't say anything negative about Trump. Always here to defend whatever bs thing he has done
I thought the interview was very good.
Everyone already had their opinions made before even watching.
Some were going to agree with everything they said and the others were going to disagree. It’s the world we live in.
My opinion…very good interview and they did not come off as reckless.
If the social security system is cumbersome and outdated, we should update it.
I think one problem is that private companies change things, let the errors make themselves known, even after rolling it out to the public, and then fixing it. They figure if the product is good enough, people will fight through the bugs. This seems to be how Musk operates. With SS payments, that could be a big problem.
Shouldn't we start with a much more fundamental question: Why? Are they really looking to recode the entire SSA system just because, I dunno, COBOL is old? Shouldn't they have some kind of tangible benefit that the replacement will provide?
Efficiency! It's right there in the title!
GAO:
Outdated and Old IT Systems Slow Government and Put Taxpayers at Risk
How long does it take to get a payment from the government? Tax refunds, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid claims, and much more are processed through federal IT systems. But many of these systems are decades old AND outdated—which can slow down federal payments and services, and make...
www.gao.gov
OIG:
Office of the Inspector General
The Office of the Inspector General is directly responsible for meeting the statutory mission of promoting economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in the administration of Social Security Administration programs and operations and to prevent and detect fraud, waste, abuse, and mismanagement in...
oig.ssa.gov
Yeah, but is SS less efficient because of COBOL?Efficiency! It's right there in the title!
GAO:
Outdated and Old IT Systems Slow Government and Put Taxpayers at Risk
How long does it take to get a payment from the government? Tax refunds, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid claims, and much more are processed through federal IT systems. But many of these systems are decades old AND outdated—which can slow down federal payments and services, and make...www.gao.gov
OIG:
Office of the Inspector General
The Office of the Inspector General is directly responsible for meeting the statutory mission of promoting economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in the administration of Social Security Administration programs and operations and to prevent and detect fraud, waste, abuse, and mismanagement in...oig.ssa.gov
Look, not trying to get too nerdy here, but I have been a computer geek since I was five years old. I can adequately engage in object-oriented programming in C++, Java, etc. But there is nothing at all inefficient about loading up the S-BASIC complier in my old Kaypro II and typing:
10 PRINT "Hello, world!"
20 END
If that's the goal, it works fine. There's no reason for me to load stdlib, no reason for me to worry about memory pointers (asterisk always f's me up, anyway). If I just want to say "Hello, world," 1982 works just fine. It doesn't need to be updated.
So, tell me why SS needs to be updated, and I'll be all over it. Don't just say, "it's outdated."
Can’t help you there. You’ll have to take it up with OIG and GAO.
I’d imagine new languages are better and that’s why they are developed.
Did you edit while I was typing? I didn't see the OIG link.
If the argument is that the system is based on coding that fewer experts will be able to maintain in the future due to diminished training, well, then, that actually makes sense. I'll buy that.
New languages aren't necessarily better. They tend to be developed for specific applications, and so, if done well, they are better within that specific sphere, but may not be better in other areas.
