What high level program will come to IU? You seem positive....who and when?
You have nothing to back up your assertion...I have schedules to back up mine.
The Big 10 has changed football scheduling requirements and I couldn't be happier
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You have nothing to back up your assertion...I have schedules to back up mine.
My only assertion was that you had no idea what you were talking about because you made an assumption without any supporting facts. You've been your worst enemy.
It's just common sense. It's the same as IU in basketball, as RF was saying. We won't go play at Hinkle because it does nothing for us. I have no idea why you are fighting this.
Not at all...no assumptions on my part. I know how scheduling works...and the schedules are all the proof I need. You want to back up any of your claims with facts? Didnt think so...your posts and arguments are hollow. When you have proof that IU is scheduling these games, please let the rest of us know. Until then, you can rest with the proof that is available...and it backs up what Ive said.
I think a lot of big name teams will want to play IU. Many of the top programs look for a few easy non-conference games early in the season. Now those teams can't go to FCS teams. So who is left? Can anybody think of a team from a power conference that could be penciled in for a early season non-conference game. (hint: they don't have a mascot)
Somebody that an Alabama or an LSU could count on for a likely victory. Those teams can't schedule the Nichols States any more. Hmmm....
Somebody that an Alabama or an LSU could count on for a likely victory. Those teams can't schedule the Nichols States any more. Hmmm....
Oh I'm sure they would play us. The point was that they would never come up here. And I don't see how that benefits us in any way.
If I'm incorrect on this, let me know...but the B1G is the only conference that has said "no more" to scheduling FCS schools....right?
That said, I doubt we see a huge rush of schools running to the phone to call IU.....especially if the goal for IU is to have as many home games as possible now that we are looking at uneven home/away conference schduling by going to nine games. That doesnt mean IU wont call other schools...but it wont be the big boys as they wont cime to Bloomington and IU still is IU and they want a chance at the win.
That said, I doubt we see a huge rush of schools running to the phone to call IU.....especially if the goal for IU is to have as many home games as possible now that we are looking at uneven home/away conference schduling by going to nine games. That doesnt mean IU wont call other schools...but it wont be the big boys as they wont cime to Bloomington and IU still is IU and they want a chance at the win.
The only claim I've made is that you have no idea what you're talking about. You've already proved that. You made an assertion that you can't back up. Please go away. The Off Topic forum has immediate seating. That's more your intellectual speed.
It seems like many IU fans are OK with selling the football team out, meaning schedule a who's who of college football. OTOH, they want the bball team to play a terrible schedule so Crean can pile up wins against North Mountain State and South Louisiana Cotton Picking Institute.
I swear, you folks who clamor to schedule USC or Miami of Florida, certainly don't want the football program to be successful.
I swear, you folks who clamor to schedule USC or Miami of Florida, certainly don't want the football program to be successful.
Not withstanding my own coaching experience in a mental sport, I also had the opportunity to train under an Olympic weightlifting coach who has helped produce gold medalists. Yes, THE olympics. If you are so curious you can email me. And yes it makes James Blackmons bench press number look silly.
You are right. I jumped the gun about the other conferences. So I have to take it back. In fact, it could go the other way where potential opponents hold out for better terms, knowing that an FCS team is not an alternative. Regardless, I think that IU will be helped in recruiting by being able to offer recruits an attractive schedule of opponents.
I would position it this way: "We decided we want to schedule three potential bowl teams in September rather than a possible bowl team the week after final exams."
I would position it this way: "We decided we want to schedule three potential bowl teams in September rather than a possible bowl team the week after final exams."
Says the guy who has proven nothing.
Here's your opportunity. What big time schools has IU scheduled on the level of Alabama, FSU and USC?
Who have they attempted to schedule? Are you afraid to answer a question or is it that your just full of it and know that we know that to be the case?
OK, Bill Brasky, but how much do you know about KW's coaching skills/techniques other than looking at him on TV? He is a well respected football mind. He has really improved the level of the program, the worst program in the NCAA historically. We had some horrible luck last year, and this is a big year. He doesn't get forever, but this is a several year long type of turn around. We went from 1 to 4 to 5 wins before we had the QB disaster last year. We are actually competing in recruiting now, despite your past ridiculous claims that we only ever beat out Ball State and North Texas. He's done a good job, but yes, he's going to be in trouble if we don't go bowling this year.
And to be honest, I haven't seen a lot of intense analysis of KW from you, unless you want to consider calling him a "corn-shucker" analysis.
I don't follow recruiting but ill concede that. It did appear to be better for a time from what I was reading on here.
He wasn't even calling the plays at Oklahoma so I'm not sure how "brilliant" a football mind he is. Secondly, I question how such a brilliant coaching mind wouldn't have had an earlier opportunity to become a head coach sooner?
My gut feeling is that major football is as much about connections and good ole boys club as anything else.
About in game decision.. for starters I vaguely remember losing a couple games due to a refusal to kick field goals? I also recall some bizarre fourth down decisions and horrific time management.
I am a major proponent of IU scheduling easy until they have a streak of bowl games. Bowl games bring about better talent which then brings a better team equipped to handle a season full of tough games.
Now that we have that out of the way, let's look at the situation Delaney is requesting of the Big 10. There's something to be said about IU having value if OTHER conferences begin to require the same thing. The problem we have (today) is that the SEC has enough talent top to bottom that they're S.O.S. isn't going to be hurt by scheduling the same opponents they have been. If all of the big 5 conferences required the same scheduling, the bottom dwellers of those top 5 conferences would suddenly have some leverage with the big boys because those big programs don't want to have to face another top opponent. If they did face another top opponent it would have to be home and away anyways so their leverage to have home and home's would be little to none. Either the low end teams will agree to play other low end teams or the big boys will have to do home and aways.
Now that we have that out of the way, let's look at the situation Delaney is requesting of the Big 10. There's something to be said about IU having value if OTHER conferences begin to require the same thing. The problem we have (today) is that the SEC has enough talent top to bottom that they're S.O.S. isn't going to be hurt by scheduling the same opponents they have been. If all of the big 5 conferences required the same scheduling, the bottom dwellers of those top 5 conferences would suddenly have some leverage with the big boys because those big programs don't want to have to face another top opponent. If they did face another top opponent it would have to be home and away anyways so their leverage to have home and home's would be little to none. Either the low end teams will agree to play other low end teams or the big boys will have to do home and aways.
My back up is the schedule...past present and future...you have yet to provide anything of substance
Your back up is nothing. You said big name teams won't come to Bloomington yet you have no insight into whether there has been interest from either IU or any other school. You offered nothing but "no one has come recently so no one must have been asked or expressed interest". It was nothing and remains nothing, just like you hoop recruit prediction. What's that word that applies to you . . . Nothing.
And in the past, they played Nebraska, Washington, LSU and USC in Bloomington. Check out the off topic site. It's more your speed and intellect.
As a member of the BiG, they sure do. Delaney wouldn't announce it without a thorough vetting from conference AD's.
Well, he did win the Broyles Award at OU for being considered the top assistant in college football in 2008. He was mentored for 19 years by a pretty darn good football man in Randy Walker , and then obviously, Bob Stoops.
Rather than "vaguely" remembering things that were "bizarre" and "horrific", how about laying out some facts ? Some people may not like going for it on fourth down, but when your D is as bad as ours has been, out scoring your opponent gives you the best opportunity to win. That said, through good recruiting and a better coordinater our defense should be improving enough where those chances won't have to be taken as often.
Teams like Alabama etc aren't likely to come to IU. For now, IU's schedule would be good to repeat those of the last couple years. They played Mizzou in a home and home. They play a decent MAC or Horizon team. They played an in-state team. They are willing to go on the road in the non-conf schedule. They have to.
They played a service academy. That was good. (maybe the wrong one, though).
The problem with IU is that it is not very good and will struggle against a lot of non-conf opponents like Ball state, Bowling Green, etc. Even lose to them. That is not the fault of the schedule.
But I think the schedule is pretty balanced right now.
They played a service academy. That was good. (maybe the wrong one, though).
The problem with IU is that it is not very good and will struggle against a lot of non-conf opponents like Ball state, Bowling Green, etc. Even lose to them. That is not the fault of the schedule.
But I think the schedule is pretty balanced right now.
If an elite level program doesn't come to Bloomington, it's because IU doesn't want to play them, not because they wouldn't make the trip to IU. The last three AD's have been approached and all have passed on entertaining that possibility. It's difficult for some people to understand, however. And I don't have a problem with IU not wanting to make a step up in class to play those schools, only with the ignorant view that those schools wouldn't come to IU. They would, they've inquired, they been told no several times.
Why is it that Penn State has a non-conference slate this year of:
Buffalo
Temple
San Diego State
Army
I haven't seen any outrage from their fan base?
FSU is 2 years removed from a national championship and they have the powerhouse schedule of:
Texas State
USF
Chattanooga
Nobody seems to say anything about this?
Many of these "big" programs have schedules much like our own.
Buffalo
Temple
San Diego State
Army
I haven't seen any outrage from their fan base?
FSU is 2 years removed from a national championship and they have the powerhouse schedule of:
Texas State
USF
Chattanooga
Nobody seems to say anything about this?
Many of these "big" programs have schedules much like our own.
Gawd, I can't wait till the season starts.
I was going to mention that the last big power team outside of the conference to schedule IU was... Missouri. Before that, both Oregon and Washington were scheduled to make return visits to Bloomington after IU traveled out west in 2003 and 2004. Both those games were cancelled after a coaching change (and/or an athletic director change - can't remember which; we seemed to have those so frequently a decade ago).
I bet going forward IU won't agree to anything except a home-and-home series. ND won't visit Bloomington again after their embarrassing loss to us last time.... in 1950.
I was going to mention that the last big power team outside of the conference to schedule IU was... Missouri. Before that, both Oregon and Washington were scheduled to make return visits to Bloomington after IU traveled out west in 2003 and 2004. Both those games were cancelled after a coaching change (and/or an athletic director change - can't remember which; we seemed to have those so frequently a decade ago).
I bet going forward IU won't agree to anything except a home-and-home series. ND won't visit Bloomington again after their embarrassing loss to us last time.... in 1950.
this discussion seems to have degenerated into a false choice that we either have to sched a Bama or Southern Cal level school, or a Western Middle Podunk State level school, with no in between options.
with 9 conference games, that leaves 3 non con games.
use one for a MAC level school, and have a home and away with some KU or UK or UNC or Virginia or Mizzou or Wah St, level schools for the other 2.
as for artificially inflating the record with wins over small schools, i have zero interest in that.
as others have noted, i cannot remember so much as one memorable win over a small school in over 60 yrs of following IU, but i do remember the wins over Mizzou and Oregon, many B10 wins, and even many competitive losses against schools like Mich, (the Willis run game for instance).
much rather play a big 5 level school, regardless of outcome, than some small school.
i'm guessing most players feel the same.
with 9 conference games, that leaves 3 non con games.
use one for a MAC level school, and have a home and away with some KU or UK or UNC or Virginia or Mizzou or Wah St, level schools for the other 2.
as for artificially inflating the record with wins over small schools, i have zero interest in that.
as others have noted, i cannot remember so much as one memorable win over a small school in over 60 yrs of following IU, but i do remember the wins over Mizzou and Oregon, many B10 wins, and even many competitive losses against schools like Mich, (the Willis run game for instance).
much rather play a big 5 level school, regardless of outcome, than some small school.
i'm guessing most players feel the same.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see "outrage" on this board about schedule...
He won the Broyles Award for the nation's top assistant and became a HC in his late 40s which isn't that unusual. Other than that you're right on target.
So who then? If it's teams on that level, then no, I still don't believe you. At all.
I agree with some of the posters in preferring playing Power 5 schools, with maybe Army, Navy or AF into the mix. I really wish we could get a series with UofL, Georgia Tech or even Tennessee. Wasn't there some talk about a home with the Canes a few years ago? Seriously, we lose most of our games anyway, so why not play some folks that have some intrigue!
They've had contact with upper division teams in the Pac12, ACC, Big 12 and SEC. Glass and his predecessors have these kinds of discussions regularly. That you or Rangeline don't believe me doesn't matter in the least. Now, go back to being a mindless cheerleader.
It's a football forum and you don't belong here. Hasn't school started for you? Shouldn't it?
