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Holy s##t. He needs to go this moment but know what should be and what is are different things.
I don’t think this was over NIL, just look at what our players make, we don’t hold back.
Back when he committed the stories were about a mediocre final visit and Woody just not impressing vs others. Pretty consistent with all the other long run HS recruitments we missed on the past two years.
Back when he committed the stories were about a mediocre final visit and Woody just not impressing vs others. Pretty consistent with all the other long run HS recruitments we missed on the past two years.
Is there a chance that with a new coach next season he would reconsider coming to IU?
If not, in the year after by going into the portal?
If not, in the year after by going into the portal?
Tracking how the recruitment went, and UConn getting involved somewhat late...I could DEFINITELY see UConn pushing the "offer" a little higher, and Woodson being stubborn about it. There are a number of known dynamics where Woodson has shown himself to be stubborn, even indignant.
And, to be honest, I'm not sure I think its an awful stance for Woodson to take. But on the flip side of that, he needs/needed, to be better in his overall approach to build value in the entire IU experience, to insulate better against poacher schools that come in with higher offers.
The next coach, I hope, is very good at building the value in becoming an IU basketball player...THEN, our competitive NIL capabilities can close people.
Facilities
Fan base
Exposure
Development
STYLE OF PLAY
Then NIL...
I think Woodson has probably just been leaning heavily lately on the NIL side of things...
Concur. His own words in interviews made it pretty clear it was because Woodson didn't have a relationship with him and the offense was offensive.
You sound like a guy who has made a living in a sales role.
Imagine what Woodson could have done with some basic sales skills.
I have...the closest thing I could find to actual sports coaching and competition...and in the real world, pays quite a lot more.
Sell these kids and their families on the experience. Make them feel what it will be like be a Hoosier. Once you're "on" someone, high school kid or Portal college kid, invest yourself in them. Actually care about them, their families, their goals and aspirations...and begin to infuse your program in to them. Through that process, you'll also get to know them better, and in the end, you'll have a much better understanding who's worth pushing for more NIL for, and who isn't.
Woodson, at this point, is collecting a check. He's leaning on his NBA experiences and days to guide him, and we're seeing the results of that. He has no interest in catering to teenagers, he has no interest in the granular, Tuesday afternoon in August type workouts, that will build his players to be ready for the November practices and games...
Dolson, through his interview process, needs to find someone that he can tell will be invested in these day to day processes. NOT someone that will rely on the NIL capabilities. Use them, but not rely on them.
Yea, it’s quite possible Woody got stubborn. But the benefits of spending another $100-200K of someone else’s money seem too good for Mike Woodson: he gets a top player, it significantly relieves the recruiting pressure/problems, and he gets something to brag about (it’s been a while) vs more criticism. Even if he was annoyed with the ask I think he would say eff it okay. I tend to think it was fit but that’s just my best guess.
I very, very strongly suspect its a combination of both of these things. He didn't do a good enough job "selling" his program during the recruitment process, and then when Mullins and his Family pushed for some more money near the end...he reacted how an old, stubborn, stuck in his Carmelo NBA days, person would. Especially when talking with a teenage kid that hasn't played a second of college basketball.
And then when communication and negotiations started to crumble... Mullins and his family had a sounding board family in the McNeeley's, who had likely been through the same exact thing...to solidify their final decision.
In the end probably needed to happen to help get rid of woodson. The last thing we need is him claiming he has a great class coming in and need another year.
I had heard from people that know his dad well that Mullins was IUs to lose and Woodson didn’t prioritize him. I suppose NIL money and prioritize can be the same thing
I've talked about my experiences at the Adidas National event this past summer...KKott was there too.
I'm pretty a pretty big "body language" guy. And I couldn't have possibly been less impressed with Woodson, and his staff as well, with their "vibe" at that event. Contrasted with that, was basically every other major coach that I saw...up and down, shaking hands with everyone, back and forth from the "pit" area of the lower level courts, to the stadium area of the feature court. Laughing...looking like they might actually enjoy being there and watching basketball. Mark Pope, Shaka Smart, even Izzo, stood out to be in this regard. Our guy...strolled in last minute to games, mainly just in the main arena, sat with his cronies around him, hardly talked to anyone...I'm not sure I saw him watching ANY games other than the IE games, and then they'd seemingly bolt for the back door when those games were done.
I know this is pretty much a universal thought on this board right now, but he just isn't the right person for the job.
Just another example why he needs to go. To let Mullins get out of Indiana is travesty maybe there is a chance once Woody is fired Mulins could pull a Eric Gordon.
Not at all surprising. If I were a high school recruit there is no way I would ever consider IU if Woodson was my coach.
His track record with guards over the past 2 years is awful.
And before him, Crean poisoned the well with Indiana HS coaches. Miller was supposed to repair some of that damage.
Far be it for me to defend Woody but if you read most of that X thread the guy initially stating this as near fact comes right out and says he was just "reading the tea leaves"...
A good rule rule of thumb is always double verify almost anything you read in X... Personally, I enjoy the platform but I never take anything an individual says on there verbatim...
Woodys obvious coaching flaws are what will get him fired, not his recruiting... That Benny Hill Soundtrack accompanied version of a Chinese Fire Drill at the end the game before last should have gotten him his pink slip on the way to the locker room in my book...
Smart kids. Both of them. They could see that this whole program was a sinking ship under a captain who has been asleep at the wheel for his entire time here.
Not sure that's what ultimately pushed them away. McNeeley did commit to IU, and Mullins was a heavy IU lean...and IU has been the same program since day 1 under Woodson.
I think the McNeeley's likely started having some second thoughts and questions watching the IU games, and probably just wanted to be reassured that they were making the right decision. And then as the discussions deteriorated, and they didn't get those warm and fuzzies from Woodson, the NIL stuff probably became an issue too. And then the Mullins went through the same journey, but without the initial commitment.
I don't think woody wants high school kids. It takes far too much effort to coach them up. Just buy some hired mercenaries.
What makes him a nice guy? To me he acts arrogant and aloof. I guess if that's a nice guy you are right.
That is what they are. They have no love for IU. If Coach loved IU he would coach them up and get involved with recruiting four year players.
Players that want to play for the name on the front of the jersey.
Speaking of the arrogance of IU higher ups:
IU spent $13,500 on chartered flight for trustee’s TV sports gig
Quinn Buckner flew from a trustee meeting near Jeffersonville, Indiana, to New Orleans to provide commentary for a Pacers game that night. IU paid for the flight on a private jet with funds from the IU Foundation.
indianapublicmedia.org
That makes no sense for the Foundation to pay for that. Either the Pacers or the TV Network should be the ones to cover Buckner's travel expenses for that purpose.
utter BS they let that clown get away with that!Speaking of the arrogance of IU higher ups:
IU spent $13,500 on chartered flight for trustee’s TV sports gig
Quinn Buckner flew from a trustee meeting near Jeffersonville, Indiana, to New Orleans to provide commentary for a Pacers game that night. IU paid for the flight on a private jet with funds from the IU Foundation.
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