Getting X and one of Race or Trayce back will go a long way. Call me crazy, but I think we're better off offensively next year without Race and Trayce on the floor together. I think we'll already be a better defensive team next year assuming Kopp and Stewart are gone.
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Agree, agree and agree.
Two undersized, back to the basket bigs has not done our offense any favors.
And unless you believe there's absolutely no way that guys like Bates and Geronimo improve do you come away with the argument Fpeaugh is trying to make.
They can improve and we can still be dogshit. We are losing our best two players and only post players in TJD and Race. We are losing our best shooters and 4th and 5th leading scorers in Stewart and Kopp. We are hopeful that XJ comes back, but there is a very real chance he doesn't. That would have us losing our top 5 scorers and the players that made our defense what it was this year.
Did I miss where Trayce and Race declared their intent to leave? What's a real chance Xavier Johnson leaves? Where is he going? Kopp and Stewart are both expendable and should have been replaced in the lineup months ago. Galloway and Geronimo are night and day better defenders than either of them and who will likely replace them.
This season isn't even over yet. Declarations of being dogshit next year before a single player has decided to move on is a bit premature.
So you agree that if all 5 of those players leave (XJ is the only real question), we will be dogshit next year?
Galloway is a better defender than Kopp and Stewart, but they are night and day better shooters than Galloway. If Woodson thought Galloway was better, he would be playing him over them... right?
Geronimo is not replacing Kopp or Stewart. He is replacing either TJD or Race, and he isn't a better defender than either and obviously isn't close to be as good offensively.
You're certainly not crazy if we don't have better shooting from 3. With Bates and Geronimo likely to see the court more, and assuming X is back, we'll benefit from fewer bodies in the paint.
I hope you’re right but this feels like the same blind crimson goggles optimism I’ve been reading here for 2 decades. Hard to support any of that with facts or logic.
Only thing holding Galloway back is his shot. Damn he needs one in a bad way. JG has a high ceiling. He could be a great 3. Especially defensively if he doesn’t get lost. He absolutely will be the starting 4 assuming no other 4 shows up on the roster. Agree with most of this.
Depends on who stays, obviously. If what I laid out earlier is anywhere close to accurate, it won't be a huge drop off. We'll still win most of our non conf. games. And we'll still win a chunk of home conference games, and probably a couple road ones too. So no, it won't be a 12-20, 3-17 type year.
Obviously if the doomsday scenario plays out and we lose basically ALL the seniors, and Bates and Geronimo, and don't land a handful of quality transfers...yeah, then that type of year would happen.
I doubt that happens though. There's a reason none of Xavier, Miller, or Rob spoke on Senior night. Not saying they all stay, but I'll be shocked if they all leave. And Race and TJD leaving, leaves a huge gaping playing time hole that Jordan will fill, and will be enticing to potential transfer bigs. And while Durr and Dumcombe aren't Cody Zeller or Race or TJD...they're going to be serviceable. Especially if Woodson ends up changing the offense around to be more open, perimeter oriented. Durr, Duncomb, Geronimo, Banks isn't a final four calibur interior. But it isn't 12-20 level either.
If and when IU loses all 5 starters we'll cross that bridge. Not many teams lose all 5 starters and come out better for it. But that hasn't happened yet nor do I think that happens. There's a better chance of IU returning X and one of Trayce/Race than there is of losing everyone.
Kopp and Stewart may be better shooters than Galloway, but Galloway can at least put the ball on the floor and manufacture his own shot. There's very little flow to the offense when you have two low post scorers and two guys who can can't create their own shot. Galloway replaced Stewart in the starting lineup after his suspension but unfortunately suffered an injury.
A starting 5 next year of:
XJ
Galloway
JHS/Bates/Phinisee
Geronimo
Race/Trayce
Is a lot better defensive lineup than our current one.
Geronimo is close to being as good offensively as Race. He's averaging 3.9 points in 12 minutes per game. Race is averaging 11.8 in 29.3 minutes. And Geronimo is a mid-range shooting threat, which helps with spacing.
Jordan also has the same total number of blocked shots (21) as Race, and the highest offensive rebound rate on the team.
If Galloway had a shot, he would be a completely different player. It's like saying the only thing hold JBJ back was his defense... everyone agrees, but it isn't likely to change.
I also agree that JG has a high ceiling, but tbh, I assumed he would be have shown more of it this year.
Galloway averages 6.1 pts/game, Kopp averages 6.3, and Stewart averages 6.7. Not worried at all about Galloway picking up slack for those guys.
How did IU fair in the 3 games Galloway started this year? He played well against Northwestern and not great against MSU and Wisconsin.
Your starting 5 is based on best case scenario. Imo, the most likely scenario is XJ and RP come back, and TJD, Race, Kopp, and Stewart all move on.
XJ/RP
Bates/JHS
Galloway/Leal
Geronimo/Banks
Durr/Duncomb
That's not a roster that's going to win many games. Now if they bring in 2 wings and a stud 5 via the portal, it can change things.
Which is why declaring next years team "dogshit" before this year even concludes is pointless. Neither you or I have any clue what next years roster is going to look like in the coming months, let alone before the start of next season.
Yet, we actually do. There are scenarios that are likely to play out. All of those result in us being dogshit. There are some scenarios that result in us not being dogshit, but they are unlikely.
Gunn is going to surprise lots of folks here. Young man is a shot maker
Uhh no we don't. We know at least three players won't be here next year to make room for the three coming freshman and that's about it. Remind me of the players who have stated their intent to move on?
Try thinking for yourself for once.
For example, do you think Lander is on the team next year? We haven't explicitly been told he won't be, but it's highly likely he won't be.
I think Lander is one of the guys who moves on next year yes. He's not a rotation player this year and his roster status isn't dependent on IU being dogshit next year.
Galloway developed a strong floater last summer. IF he can add a 3 point shot to his offensive arsenal, TG will be lights out for IU. TG hustle, energy, competetiveness and D are already a big plus.
Galloway is never going to be a 40+% 3 point shooter but I still think he can get to a level of respectability where teams aren't going to play 5 feet off him.
TG owns lots more game as Sophomore than Kopp as a Senior. Yes Kopp can shoots 3's. Sometimes. Galloway is a coach's kid with goals. That work ethic will sharpen his shooting this off season. Galloway shines bright next season. I think he can shoot 3's consistently at 38% @ more than 2 a game.
I wouldn’t say never. Fife is exhibit one. Very similar players. Way ahead defensively. Dane actually became lights out. 47% 3 point shooter. Previous year was 30%.
I hope you are right. I know he will put in the hours this spring and summer.
I am pretty sure you would have told us a little over a year ago that Race and TJD were gone. I am sure Geez can think for himself but it is pretty easy to predict what those of you in the "sky is falling" crowd are going to are going to rant about.
Hope that happens for Trey. Dane had very good form, and came into college without shooting as a known weakness. My perception was Dane's emergence was as much about confidence as anything. Trey will have to fundamentally change his form to see a similar improvement...in my opinion.
You would be wrong. I would have absolutely said TJD was gone, but not Race.
I was in the fanboy club this time last year. The sky has already fallen on this program.
Trey has a glitch in his shot mechanics. He needs 7-8 months of intense training by a qualified shooting coach
IU def needs to hire a shooting coach
That’s incorrect.
You’re labeled a troll because you bring nothing of value and instead bitch and moan with every single post.
There’s a difference.
Galloway replaced Stew in the lineup before he was injured.
Not only can you not tell the future, but you're pretty damn lost in the present.
I think you need a new gig, Nostradumbass. Maybe start doing card tricks or get some white makeup, a big red nose, even bigger shoes and be what you were born to be..
BRCB also falls into this category. There is a thing called constructive criticism, which these guys rarely if ever engage in.
Galloway only replaced Stewart because of the suspension.
Stewart MPG: 25
Galloway MPG: 20
How did IU fair in the 3 games Galloway started this year?
If we’re relying only on Durr, Duncomb, Geronimo, and Bates as our front court we’ll be the worst team in the Big Ten and it’s not even close. That’s the Armageddon scenario.
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