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Not familiar with Common Sense, but Bari Weiss is a bit cute:

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I hope this isn't true, but I fear it is.



Not familiar with Common Sense, but Bari Weiss is a bit cute:

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It's the cheeks. Make's ya just want to squeeze um.... And squeeze The checks too. :)

And that story, although frightening, Is what some of have been saying for a while now.
 
Thompson Reuters owns Westlaw. Ugh.
Free Westlaw was one of the best parts of law school!

But when I first started practicing, the older lawyers in the firm had never used it. My mentor who hired me forbade me from using it - "hit the books, boy! Our clients don't pay for computer games."

THE guy who ran the place, had his name in the firm name, etc, had a rule - "Lawyers don't reshelve books - that's why we hire librarians. Go bill your time."
 
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"It was my job, among other things, to sift through reams of numbers and figure out what they meant."

His mistake:

It was his job, among other things, to sift through reams of numbers and then figure out what his bosses wanted them to mean.
 
Free Westlaw was one of the best parts of law school!

But when I first started practicing, the older lawyers in the firm had never used it. My mentor who hired me forbade me from using it - "hit the books, boy! Our clients don't pay for computer games."

THE guy who ran the place, had his name in the firm name, etc, had a rule - "Lawyers don't reshelve books - that's why we hire librarians. Go bill your time."
At my first job I used to secretly sign up the head of the firm for Westlaw training. All the associates thought it was real funny when the rep would show up asking for him.
 
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I hope this isn't true, but I fear it is.



Not familiar with Common Sense, but Bari Weiss is a bit cute:

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really? I’ve linked her several times including her decision to leave the NYT. She’s a progressive turned pragmatist
 
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really? I’ve linked her several times including her decision to leave the NYT. She’s a progressive turned pragmatist
A rational liberal. There are a host of topics that she and I would probably not see eye to eye on but she isn't a lunatic so you are at least open to hearing her out.

As to the article, the BLM component is interesting, the statistical analysis performed supports the idea that I have always had about the police shootings (that they would track interactions with police). However, to me the biggest take away from that article is having newsrooms so wedded to the narrative that they become insular to counter opinions. And then having an internal discussion hub that enforces the group think, up to the point of firing those who push against it....well, it is no wonder we have had the complete blundering of some big stories (like Biden's kids laptop) as of late.

Our news media is garbage. You have to seek out these blogs that former real journalists have started up so they can do the actual job of a journalist. Most of your "main stream media" is going to be ate up by the type of bias in this article.
 
A rational liberal. There are a host of topics that she and I would probably not see eye to eye on but she isn't a lunatic so you are at least open to hearing her out.

As to the article, the BLM component is interesting, the statistical analysis performed supports the idea that I have always had about the police shootings (that they would track interactions with police). However, to me the biggest take away from that article is having newsrooms so wedded to the narrative that they become insular to counter opinions. And then having an internal discussion hub that enforces the group think, up to the point of firing those who push against it....well, it is no wonder we have had the complete blundering of some big stories (like Biden's kids laptop) as of late.

Our news media is garbage. You have to seek out these blogs that former real journalists have started up so they can do the actual job of a journalist. Most of your "main stream media" is going to be ate up by the type of bias in this article.
The data was always there. People are too lazy to find it.
 
Shocking, the absence in this thread of the loonies that spent months making claims about the police & how badly they’re biased. Not surprising, I’d be ashamed if I had been duped that badly over the past couple of years too…
 
A rational liberal. There are a host of topics that she and I would probably not see eye to eye on but she isn't a lunatic so you are at least open to hearing her out.

As to the article, the BLM component is interesting, the statistical analysis performed supports the idea that I have always had about the police shootings (that they would track interactions with police). However, to me the biggest take away from that article is having newsrooms so wedded to the narrative that they become insular to counter opinions. And then having an internal discussion hub that enforces the group think, up to the point of firing those who push against it....well, it is no wonder we have had the complete blundering of some big stories (like Biden's kids laptop) as of late.

Our news media is garbage. You have to seek out these blogs that former real journalists have started up so they can do the actual job of a journalist. Most of your "main stream media" is going to be ate up by the type of bias in this article.
I don't think she's what most would call a liberal. She worked for Bret Stephens at the WSJ and then at the NYT op-ed as an effort to include non-liberal voices. If I had to label her, I'd say she's a center/center-right person now characterized by the Left as a far-right person because she criticizes the far-left.

As for the article, the parts that need more discussion relate to the numbers, the studies, and the MSM being wedded to a narrative so much it affects reporting. It's been obvious since the George Floyd incident.

But regarding the "cancelling" of this guy, what did he expect? It seems like he felt like he was entitled to post and have treated seriously something that he was not assigned to him as a work assignment, on a Water Cooler like message feed within the company. When HR told him it was upsetting the workforce, FOR WHATEVER REASON, he should have stopped. He could have posted his ideas and debated them outside the company--on a message board, on a blog, on Twitter. and If he had done that and been fired, I'd think it terrible (but legal). That he did it internally, the company told him to cool it, and he continued to push and push sounds like someone who puts his own needs and vanity above the company's desire to have a cooperative and successful working environment.
 
When HR told him it was upsetting the workforce, FOR WHATEVER REASON, he should have stopped
People who are upset by wat they read on a message board are the problem, not those who post on a message board. When you participate on general topic message board, you are in control of your reactions, not the posters. If I am in charge, I tell the complainers to grow a pair, respond to disagreeable posts with better posts, or don’t read the board.

If you can’t take it, find a chocolate chip recipe exchange board.

I’m blaming our educational system here. People are not taught to think, they are taught to take offense. Unfortunately, the take-offense generation is now in charge. Society is not doing well.

And before the usual suspects here post their usual rants, I am not talking about allowing child porn, threats, etc.
 
People who are upset by wat they read on a message board are the problem, not those who post on a message board. When you participate on general topic message board, you are in control of your reactions, not the posters. If I am in charge, I tell the complainers to grow a pair, respond to disagreeable posts with better posts, or don’t read the board.

If you can’t take it, find a chocolate chip recipe exchange board.

I’m blaming our educational system here. People are not taught to think, they are taught to take offense. Unfortunately, the take-offense generation is now in charge. Society is not doing well.

And before the usual suspects here post their usual rants, I am not talking about allowing child porn, threats, etc.
If 20 people complain and they are people you don't need upset, you get rid of the one headache. It's the easiest solution. If a large percentage of the workforce candidates you hire from are of one political persuasion or have one belief system, you need to cater to them to a certain degree. That's just reality. A private firm isn't focused on changing the world, it's focused on making money.

If you sign up to work in corporate American and take home $350k a year, like that guy did, you should know what you're getting into.

On a personal level, I get what you are saying. But this isn't personal, it's business. :)
 
If 20 people complain and they are people you don't need upset, you get rid of the one headache. It's the easiest solution. If a large percentage of the workforce candidates you hire from are of one political persuasion or have one belief system, you need to cater to them to a certain degree. That's just reality. A private firm isn't focused on changing the world, it's focused on making money.

If you sign up to work in corporate American and take home $350k a year, like that guy did, you should know what you're getting into.

On a personal level, I get what you are saying. But this isn't personal, it's business. :)
I don't think catering to the complainers, no matter how many there are, builds a strong, creative, and effective workforce and it is a terrible business model. Nobody should want those kinds of people in responsibe positions.
 
I don't think catering to the complainers, no matter how many there are, builds a strong, creative, and effective workforce and it is a terrible business model. Nobody should want those kinds of people in responsibe positions.
Who knows if the complainers will be.

You also certainly don't want someone who doesn't understand the nuances of corporate culture, who doesn't care about workforce disruption because "I'm right, goddamn it! Listen to me! Engage me! Let's talk about this subject that makes everyone uncomfortable because I want to!" Again, if he had done this on a private message board, like we are doing right now, I have no problem with it. But he insisted on pushing HR and his fellow co-workers on a subject they felt wasn't good to discuss.

Go along and get along in a large organization or get squashed.

As for whether or not this will affect Thompson Reuter's bottom line, I doubt it. I would like to think that were true, but I doubt it. That Reuter's is affected by this narrative insistence, though, really sucks.
 
Is this thread about the statistics on police shootings being twisted to suit the BLM agenda which the MSM has bought into? Or is about the wrongful firing of a reporter who is supposedly an expert on analyzing statistics ? Then there is the theory about those living in the Black communities no longer having police protection because of the BLM agenda.

Wow, this is a lot to ponder as I kick off what was supposed to be fun weekend.
 
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I don't think she's what most would call a liberal. She worked for Bret Stephens at the WSJ and then at the NYT op-ed as an effort to include non-liberal voices. If I had to label her, I'd say she's a center/center-right person now characterized by the Left as a far-right person because she criticizes the far-left.

As for the article, the parts that need more discussion relate to the numbers, the studies, and the MSM being wedded to a narrative so much it affects reporting. It's been obvious since the George Floyd incident.

But regarding the "cancelling" of this guy, what did he expect? It seems like he felt like he was entitled to post and have treated seriously something that he was not assigned to him as a work assignment, on a Water Cooler like message feed within the company. When HR told him it was upsetting the workforce, FOR WHATEVER REASON, he should have stopped. He could have posted his ideas and debated them outside the company--on a message board, on a blog, on Twitter. and If he had done that and been fired, I'd think it terrible (but legal). That he did it internally, the company told him to cool it, and he continued to push and push sounds like someone who puts his own needs and vanity above the company's desire to have a cooperative and successful working environment.

He expected a news organization that hired him to oversee data analysis to care about the facts shown by data. Thats not unreasonable.

As a lawyer, I had an ethical duty to set aside my personal views and pursue my clients best interests. I think the role of journalism as a check and balance is important enough to expect them to never intentionally ignore facts.

As for firing righties who upset lefties, and not lefties who upset righties, I question the wisdom, but a private company can legally make that choice.

As for firing a supervisor who challenged the socio-political status quo and upset the troops, same thing. Legal even if unwise. Like a lot of things.
 
He expected a news organization that hired him to oversee data analysis to care about the facts shown by data. Thats not unreasonable.

As a lawyer, I had an ethical duty to set aside my personal views and pursue my clients best interests. I think the role of journalism as a check and balance is important enough to expect them to never intentionally ignore facts.

As for firing righties who upset lefties, and not lefties who upset righties, I question the wisdom, but a private company can legally make that choice.

As for firing a supervisor who challenged the socio-political status quo and upset the troops, same thing. Legal even if unwise. Like a lot of things.
I'm in general agreement with you on the principle. But Thompson Reuters is a money-making operation first and foremost.

Pragmatically speaking, this guy had other avenues. If he was concerned about a work-related aspect, he could have brought it to the attention of the editors of the pieces he was concerned with, as a work memo. If they rebuffed him, he's not entitled to be told why, or argued with, or proven wrong. That's just not how it works in a large corporation.

Id' be saying the same thing if some mostly conservative company had someone sending out something that challenged conservative orthodoxy but went about it in the same way this guy did.
 
He expected a news organization that hired him to oversee data analysis to care about the facts shown by data. Thats not unreasonable.

As a lawyer, I had an ethical duty to set aside my personal views and pursue my clients best interests. I think the role of journalism as a check and balance is important enough to expect them to never intentionally ignore facts.

As for firing righties who upset lefties, and not lefties who upset righties, I question the wisdom, but a private company can legally make that choice.

As for firing a supervisor who challenged the socio-political status quo and upset the troops, same thing. Legal even if unwise. Like a lot of things.
We are getting only the story from the disgruntled analyst who claims to have been fired for discovering statistics which ran contrary to the BLM agenda.

Wonder if this was the real reason.

My amateur studies into the police shootings in respect to race show different statistics depending on the locality. Lumping all the statistics together to show a national average can be very misleading. Each community should be analyzed separately. Thus the BLM narrative may be accurate in some cases but not others.
 
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Who knows if the complainers will be.

You also certainly don't want someone who doesn't understand the nuances of corporate culture, who doesn't care about workforce disruption because "I'm right, goddamn it! Listen to me! Engage me! Let's talk about this subject that makes everyone uncomfortable because I want to!" Again, if he had done this on a private message board, like we are doing right now, I have no problem with it. But he insisted on pushing HR and his fellow co-workers on a subject they felt wasn't good to discuss.

Go along and get along in a large organization or get squashed.

As for whether or not this will affect Thompson Reuter's bottom line, I doubt it. I would like to think that were true, but I doubt it. That Reuter's is affected by this narrative insistence, though, really sucks.
I don’t think this about a forbidden subject. Instead its about a forbidden view of an appropriate subject.

I know about the legalities and corporate culture aspects. I just firmly believe a corporate culture that yields to people who are offended by what they read (as compared to what they experience) is a bad corporate culture. Maybe they should provide an ignore button for those folks.
 
We are getting only the story from the disgruntled analyst who claims to have been fired for discovering statistics which ran contrary to the BLM agenda.

Wonder if this was the real reason.

My amateur studies into the police shootings in respect to race show different statistics depending on the locality. Lumping all the statistics together to show a national average can be very misleading. Each community should be analyzed separately. Thus the BLM narrative may be accurate in some cases but not others.
Did BLM claim locally-based problems or national institutional racism? My recollection is “national institutional racism” AND “white-privelege-based universal individual racism” have been the meme.

BLM and CRT and the 1619-ers remind me of the anti-abortion protesters screaming “murderer” at abortion clinics. They harm their cause and lose allies by extreme over-reach.
 
Did BLM claim locally-based problems or national institutional racism? My recollection is “national institutional racism” AND “white-privelege-based universal individual racism” have been the meme.

BLM and CRT and the 1619-ers remind me of the anti-abortion protesters screaming “murderer” at abortion clinics. They harm their cause and lose allies by extreme over-reach.
Who speaks for the BLM ? Is it a national organization, is it a group of loosely connected local chapters, or what ?

Here in Indianapolis it is the Black families of alleged police violence who have spoken out and questioned the shootings along with the way the police handled the case. The Indianapolis Star reports the family's concerns along with the police response without taking sides. I don't recall a BLM spokesperson being involved in any the responses to these shootings (I could be wrong).
 
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Who speaks for the BLM ? Is it a national organization, is it a group of loosely connected local chapters, or what ?

Here in Indianapolis it is the Black families of alleged police violence who have spoken out and questioned the shootings along with the way the police handled the case. The Indianapolis Star reports the family's concerns along with the police response without taking sides. I don't recall a BLM spokesperson being involved in any the responses to these shootings (I could be wrong).
Decide for yourself:

 
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Personally, if I were a Black I would be extremely weary of the Black Lives Global Foundation. The potential for simply ripping of well intentioned donors is there.

How this fits in with grass roots local chapters designed to help Blacks and others in assisting each other is of more interest to me. The focus here being such things as providing day care for working mothers versus say an emphasis on protest marches.

Where the global foundation and local chapters end up in meeting their objectives beyond just protesting is anyone's guess at this time in my view.
 
A rational liberal. There are a host of topics that she and I would probably not see eye to eye on but she isn't a lunatic so you are at least open to hearing her out.

As to the article, the BLM component is interesting, the statistical analysis performed supports the idea that I have always had about the police shootings (that they would track interactions with police). However, to me the biggest take away from that article is having newsrooms so wedded to the narrative that they become insular to counter opinions. And then having an internal discussion hub that enforces the group think, up to the point of firing those who push against it....well, it is no wonder we have had the complete blundering of some big stories (like Biden's kids laptop) as of late.

Our news media is garbage. The media is structured so that the infopod would cause a spontaneous growth, here is a resource https://plainmath.net/secondary/algebra/algebra-i/exponential-growth-and-decay if you need to learn more about exponential growth and decay and get answers to college algebra. You have to seek out these blogs that former real journalists have started up so they can do the actual job of a journalist. Most of your "main stream media" is going to be ate up by the type of bias in this article.
You are absolutely right The modern media is built in such a way that it would warm up the interest of the public with provocative headlines and scandalous stories. In this way they stimulate demand for their scandalous news.
 
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People who are upset by wat they read on a message board are the problem, not those who post on a message board. When you participate on general topic message board, you are in control of your reactions, not the posters. If I am in charge, I tell the complainers to grow a pair, respond to disagreeable posts with better posts, or don’t read the board.

If you can’t take it, find a chocolate chip recipe exchange board.

I’m blaming our educational system here. People are not taught to think, they are taught to take offense. Unfortunately, the take-offense generation is now in charge. Society is not doing well.

And before the usual suspects here post their usual rants, I am not talking about allowing child porn, threats, etc.
There’s a chocolate chip recipe exchange board? Damn. I have to learn more about this internets thing . . .
 
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Not familiar with Common Sense, but Bari Weiss is a bit cute:

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I don't know that his premise is accurate. He says that WaPo shows a gap between UNARMED being shot that indicates bias, then says we can't use that but must use armed suspects, where the bias does not appear.

First, great the bias does not appear in armed suspects. But let's get back to the first point, why should we NOT care that unarmed Blacks are shot disproportionate to Whites? I don't accept his explanation that it has to be apples to apples because an unarmed White and an unarmed Black IS apples to apples. The fact that an armed Black in Chicago killed an officer does not give the officers a pass to shoot an unarmed Black in LA. But below he seems to be suggesting it does.

Statistics from the most complete database of police shootings (compiled by The Washington Post) indicate that, over the last five years, police have fatally shot 39 percent more unarmed whites than blacks. Because there are roughly six times as many white Americans as black Americans, that figure should be closer to 600 percent, BLM activists (and their allies in legacy media) insist. The fact that it’s not—that there’s more than a 500-percentage point gap between reality and expectation—is, they say, evidence of the bias of police departments across the United States.​
But it’s more complicated than that. Police are authorized to use lethal force only when they believe a suspect poses a grave danger of harming others. So, when it comes to measuring cops’ racial attitudes, it’s important that we compare apples and apples: Black suspects who pose a grave danger and white suspects who do the same.​
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According to calculations (published by Patrick Frey, Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles County) based on FBI data, black Americans account for 37 percent of those who murder police officers, and 34 percent of the unarmed suspects killed by police. Meanwhile, whites make up 42.7 percent of cop killers and 42 percent of the unarmed suspects shot by police—meaning whites are killed by police at a 7 percent higher rate than blacks.​
If you broaden the analysis to include armed suspects, the gap is even wider, with whites shot at a 70 percent higher rate than blacks. Other experts in the field concur that, in relation to the number of police officers murdered, whites are shot disproportionately.
Again, why does the bolded matter in a shooting of an unarmed Black (or unarmed White)?

He quotes Fryer's data which is good, but Fryer also points out his limitations:

Our results have several important caveats. First, all but one dataset was provided by a select group of police departments. It is possible that these departments only supplied the data because they are either enlightened or were not concerned about what the analysis would reveal. In essence, this is equivalent to analyzing labor market discrimination on a set of firms willing to supply a researcher with their Human Resources data! There may be important selection in who was willing to share their data. The Police-Public contact survey partially sidesteps this issue by including a nationally representative sample of civilians, but it does not contain data on ocer-involved shootings.​
Would it be fair to wonder if police departments that have problems would be less likely to have shared their data?

There are other indications of issues:

 
I don't know that his premise is accurate. He says that WaPo shows a gap between UNARMED being shot that indicates bias, then says we can't use that but must use armed suspects, where the bias does not appear.

First, great the bias does not appear in armed suspects. But let's get back to the first point, why should we NOT care that unarmed Blacks are shot disproportionate to Whites? I don't accept his explanation that it has to be apples to apples because an unarmed White and an unarmed Black IS apples to apples. The fact that an armed Black in Chicago killed an officer does not give the officers a pass to shoot an unarmed Black in LA. But below he seems to be suggesting it does.

Statistics from the most complete database of police shootings (compiled by The Washington Post) indicate that, over the last five years, police have fatally shot 39 percent more unarmed whites than blacks. Because there are roughly six times as many white Americans as black Americans, that figure should be closer to 600 percent, BLM activists (and their allies in legacy media) insist. The fact that it’s not—that there’s more than a 500-percentage point gap between reality and expectation—is, they say, evidence of the bias of police departments across the United States.​
But it’s more complicated than that. Police are authorized to use lethal force only when they believe a suspect poses a grave danger of harming others. So, when it comes to measuring cops’ racial attitudes, it’s important that we compare apples and apples: Black suspects who pose a grave danger and white suspects who do the same.​
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According to calculations (published by Patrick Frey, Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles County) based on FBI data, black Americans account for 37 percent of those who murder police officers, and 34 percent of the unarmed suspects killed by police. Meanwhile, whites make up 42.7 percent of cop killers and 42 percent of the unarmed suspects shot by police—meaning whites are killed by police at a 7 percent higher rate than blacks.​
If you broaden the analysis to include armed suspects, the gap is even wider, with whites shot at a 70 percent higher rate than blacks. Other experts in the field concur that, in relation to the number of police officers murdered, whites are shot disproportionately.
Again, why does the bolded matter in a shooting of an unarmed Black (or unarmed White)?

He quotes Fryer's data which is good, but Fryer also points out his limitations:

Our results have several important caveats. First, all but one dataset was provided by a select group of police departments. It is possible that these departments only supplied the data because they are either enlightened or were not concerned about what the analysis would reveal. In essence, this is equivalent to analyzing labor market discrimination on a set of firms willing to supply a researcher with their Human Resources data! There may be important selection in who was willing to share their data. The Police-Public contact survey partially sidesteps this issue by including a nationally representative sample of civilians, but it does not contain data on ocer-involved shootings.​
Would it be fair to wonder if police departments that have problems would be less likely to have shared their data?

There are other indications of issues:

I remember reading that article when it came out and questioning the same analysis.

I believe what the author is saying is that black people (inner city, black young men in particular and we should be particular here) kill a disproportionate number of police Police are human and therefore are more scared of that demographic.

I’ve also read that if you compare the number of police interactions with the the number of shootings, these numbers even out more. In other words, the argument would go—the more you interact with police in a high crime area, the more likely you are to be shot.
 
I believe what the author is saying is that black people (inner city, black young men in particular and we should be particular here) kill a disproportionate number of police Police are human and therefore are more scared of that demographic.

I think almost all of us can agree there was a time where police were prone to mistreat Blacks. Blacks are human and reacted similarly. We are trapped in a vicious circle.

My take, which is worth less than you are paying for it, we need to make sure driving while black is eliminated. That alone will reduce interactions. We need more community events where people can interact with police. Every now and then stories appear of basketball games between police and young Blacks, that seems like a great idea. Maybe Black Churches can get involved and host dinners between their people and police.

I go back to Gladwell's book on Sandra Bland and how a total breakdown in communication led to that event. Both had chances to stop the escalation, neither took it (even though I think the officer was more in the wrong, she could have just accepted and moved on).
 
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I think almost all of us can agree there was a time where police were prone to mistreat Blacks. Blacks are human and reacted similarly. We are trapped in a vicious circle.

My take, which is worth less than you are paying for it, we need to make sure driving while black is eliminated. That alone will reduce interactions. We need more community events where people can interact with police. Every now and then stories appear of basketball games between police and young Blacks, that seems like a great idea. Maybe Black Churches can get involved and host dinners between their people and police.

I go back to Gladwell's book on Sandra Bland and how a total breakdown in communication led to that event. Both had chances to stop the escalation, neither took it (even though I think the officer was more in the wrong, she could have just accepted and moved on).
Absolutely that’s why the inner city culture is the way it is w/r/t police. I’m not sure that explains or excuses killing of police, though.
It might explain disrespect of police in non-armed interactions and that could partly explain escalating situations there.

For solutions, in Chicago, those you mention were tried. Another attempt at a solution: trying to staff more minorities in minority neighborhoods. The problem there is that it looks like you are giving the minority police the most dangerous assignments.

Going back to the original article, I think one problem is an exaggerated narrative that police are literally hunting black people to kill them. Most people do not realize more white people are shot (and killed) by police more than black people. And if you compare by socioeconomic level, you’ll see the numbers flatten out.

I think the best way to attack this is to identify a race neutral issue and solve it. Because of demographics, it will disproportionately benefit black people and by addressing a race neutral problem, you get more political backing. (Same goes for education, poverty, etc)
 
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Going back to the original article, I think one problem is an exaggerated narrative that police are literally hunting black people to kill them. Most people do not realize more white people are shot (and killed) by police than black people. And if you compare by socioeconomic level, you’ll see the numbers flatten out.

I think the best way to attack this is to identify a race neutral issue and solve it. Because of demographics, it will disproportionately benefit black people and by addressing a race neutral problem, you get more political backing. (Same goes for education, poverty, etc)

This is the flip side of some people believing more Blacks receive welfare than Whites. People want to believe things that fit their narrative.

The usual answer is more 2 parent families. Unless you pass a law that parents must marry or go to jail, I do not know how to get that.
 
I think the best way to attack this is to identify a race neutral issue and solve it.
Disagree.

First, there are no race neutral issues. When the docents at the Art Institute are canned because they are too white, we have a problem.

Second, we do need to focus on race issues and address those. When the NAACP lists things like voter suppression, student debt, police brutality and reproductive rights as the most pressing issues facing blacks today, we have a problem. 84% of Black HS graduates can’t read or do math at an adult level.el. 2/3rd’s of black youngsters are raised in the dysfunction of single parent homes. We systematically strip away black enthusiasm for education, and acquiring useful habits and skill by continually treating them like unskilled freed slaves instead of human beings. This is the real systemic racism and CRT is making it worse. This is where the real problems are. As a result we have a generation of angry black males and unimaginable violence among black youth which leads to the plethora of social problems we wrestle with every day.

We can’t fix this with arrogant diversity inclusion and equity programs among our elites. Nor can we fix it with a government that “looks like America”. Nor can we fix it with failed war on poverty programs that don’t solve problems but instead make them more livable. Nor can we fix this with Black Lives Matter slogans. We fix this by recognizing the problems, making judgments and change the social incubators of poor education and failed family structure. .
 
Disagree.

First, there are no race neutral issues. When the docents at the Art Institute are canned because they are too white, we have a problem.

Second, we do need to focus on race issues and address those. When the NAACP lists things like voter suppression, student debt, police brutality and reproductive rights as the most pressing issues facing blacks today, we have a problem. 84% of Black HS graduates can’t read or do math at an adult level.el. 2/3rd’s of black youngsters are raised in the dysfunction of single parent homes. We systematically strip away black enthusiasm for education, and acquiring useful habits and skill by continually treating them like unskilled freed slaves instead of human beings. This is the real systemic racism and CRT is making it worse. This is where the real problems are. As a result we have a generation of angry black males and unimaginable violence among black youth which leads to the plethora of social problems we wrestle with every day.

We can’t fix this with arrogant diversity inclusion and equity programs among our elites. Nor can we fix it with a government that “looks like America”. Nor can we fix it with failed war on poverty programs that don’t solve problems but instead make them more livable. Nor can we fix this with Black Lives Matter slogans. We fix this by recognizing the problems, making judgments and change the social incubators of poor education and failed family structure. .
Could education be it? This is not a Black inner city problem, West Virginia consistently ranks well below the national average.

Simply put, White or Black, poor schools do worse than wealthy with middle class in the middle.

In one of Taleb's books, he thinks we have it backwards. Education does not create wealth, wealth creates education. People who are wealthy can devote more time and resources to being educated and are thus more educated.

I do not think he is correct, but it is something to consider.
 
I think almost all of us can agree there was a time where police were prone to mistreat Blacks. Blacks are human and reacted similarly. We are trapped in a vicious circle.

My take, which is worth less than you are paying for it, we need to make sure driving while black is eliminated. That alone will reduce interactions. We need more community events where people can interact with police. Every now and then stories appear of basketball games between police and young Blacks, that seems like a great idea. Maybe Black Churches can get involved and host dinners between their people and police.

I go back to Gladwell's book on Sandra Bland and how a total breakdown in communication led to that event. Both had chances to stop the escalation, neither took it (even though I think the officer was more in the wrong, she could have just accepted and moved on).
Its deeper.

Poverty is the enemy.

Poverty breeds violent crime.

Lack of family units and lack of education and lack of jobs breeds poverty.

Pick an area of poverty - any area. City. Appalachia. Small town. Pick a card - any card.
What do you find?

Single parent "families"
Unemployment
Poorly educated people
Crime
Cops and criminals violently interacting.
Duh.


The demographics tell us that - as percentages - African Americans are over-represented in .... wait for it .... single parent families, unemployment and the poorly educated.

People like Moynahan used to use this data to guide policy. Now, if you merely discuss the numbers, report them as an academic, the Loony Left calls you a racist.

Rather than encourage families, education and work ethic/jobs, the modern message is "burn it all down - education and business is systemic 1619 racism in 2020 clothing. Eat the rich. Re-distribute ill-gotten gains. You didn't build that."

In the past, guys like Thomas Sowell worked for government, advised House and Senate members, who cooperated and compromised to solve social problems.

Now, all we do is investigate and try to indict the other party, and make every decision as polarizing as we can.

Nero "partisans" while Rome burns.

Beat poverty and rule the world.
EVERY public dollar should require every person to be working toward education and job skills.
Sitting in jail? Welcome to reading class.
Drawing free or subsidized housing? Welcome to welding.
Walking the streets at 2:00 am protecting drug turf? Welcome to jail or the graveyard - your choice.
You got 3 illegitimate children? Got a car? Welcome to the car auction.
 
Could education be it? This is not a Black inner city problem, West Virginia consistently ranks well below the national average.

Simply put, White or Black, poor schools do worse than wealthy with middle class in the middle.

In one of Taleb's books, he thinks we have it backwards. Education does not create wealth, wealth creates education. People who are wealthy can devote more time and resources to being educated and are thus more educated.

I do not think he is correct, but it is something to consider.
In every large blue dysfunctional city, bad education is concentrated in the black community. Combine that with the other concentrated social dysfunctions for Blacks and we have problems unlike West Virginia or Mississippi.

Talib is just being Talib. He will always find a way to define the problem in terms of rich whites.
 
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