So........what will be the discipline
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If it's verified he should be off the team and out of school.
We don't want our athletic teams to be campus bullies and this is a teachable moment.
We don't want our athletic teams to be campus bullies and this is a teachable moment.
Re: If it's verified he should be off the team and out of school.
If it comes out that he truly hit a woman (everyone deserves due process) then he should be gone. Alcohol might be a deciding factor when it comes to people making horrible decisions in life but alcohol has no effect on what decisions the legal system makes as a consequence of those decisions. CKW is the right guy at the helm. If Green is willing to neglect his team doing this nonsense then there's likely going to be no room for him.
If it comes out that he truly hit a woman (everyone deserves due process) then he should be gone. Alcohol might be a deciding factor when it comes to people making horrible decisions in life but alcohol has no effect on what decisions the legal system makes as a consequence of those decisions. CKW is the right guy at the helm. If Green is willing to neglect his team doing this nonsense then there's likely going to be no room for him.
I doubt he gets kicked off
I'm not condoning hitting a woman but it doesn't sound like he hit her very hard, a guy his size could do some damage and according to the article she wasn't even red...I guess, 3 game suspension and lots of early morning conditioning
A star OSU football player had a similar situation before last season. There was videotape, and the girl smacked him and he reached out and I don't want to say smacked because thats too strong a term but tapped is too light a term....he ended up with a 3 game suspension
I'm not condoning hitting a woman but it doesn't sound like he hit her very hard, a guy his size could do some damage and according to the article she wasn't even red...I guess, 3 game suspension and lots of early morning conditioning
A star OSU football player had a similar situation before last season. There was videotape, and the girl smacked him and he reached out and I don't want to say smacked because thats too strong a term but tapped is too light a term....he ended up with a 3 game suspension
Read that first paragraph to your mother...
and let me know how she reacts.
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and let me know how she reacts.
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Re: Read that first paragraph to your mother...
I have a daughter as well, I can read it both of them...they will understand that the severity of injuries is a factor in many crimes, and effects the punishments. Tapping a girl on the face like the OSU football player did does not deserve the same punishment as Lawrence Phillips slamming a girls head into an apartments mailbox. I think Hanners driving three times over the limit is far worse than what is being reported with Green,,,,do you think he should have been kicked off the team?
Like I said I don't condone hitting anyone, especially women but I doubt he gets kicked off the team for this, but if CKW has a zero tolerance policy on any unwanted contact with women and Green gets kicked off it wouldn't bother me a bit..but I doubt he gets the boot
I have a daughter as well, I can read it both of them...they will understand that the severity of injuries is a factor in many crimes, and effects the punishments. Tapping a girl on the face like the OSU football player did does not deserve the same punishment as Lawrence Phillips slamming a girls head into an apartments mailbox. I think Hanners driving three times over the limit is far worse than what is being reported with Green,,,,do you think he should have been kicked off the team?
Like I said I don't condone hitting anyone, especially women but I doubt he gets kicked off the team for this, but if CKW has a zero tolerance policy on any unwanted contact with women and Green gets kicked off it wouldn't bother me a bit..but I doubt he gets the boot
I agree with the idea that since there was no visible injs to her...
that I dont think calls for being thrown off the team. He is going to have bigger issues as it sounds like she intends to press charges. Not a smart decision and I imagine if you ask him today he would likely say the same thing. Wouldnt be surprised if she sues him also.
that I dont think calls for being thrown off the team. He is going to have bigger issues as it sounds like she intends to press charges. Not a smart decision and I imagine if you ask him today he would likely say the same thing. Wouldnt be surprised if she sues him also.
Re: If it's verified he should be off the team and out of school.
Emmit Holt driving with alcohol in his system and hitting Devin Davis with a car, putting him in the hospital with a serious head trauma causing him to miss the season and leaving his future playing capability in limbo, agrees with you.
Good thing for Emmit that CKW doesn't coach basketball.
Emmit Holt driving with alcohol in his system and hitting Devin Davis with a car, putting him in the hospital with a serious head trauma causing him to miss the season and leaving his future playing capability in limbo, agrees with you.
Good thing for Emmit that CKW doesn't coach basketball.
I didnt intentionally misportray anything....
Holt had alcohol in his system.
Holt was driving.
Holt was behind the wheel of the vehicle that put Devin Davis in the hospital and out of IU's season.
Holt had alcohol in his system.
Holt was driving.
Holt was behind the wheel of the vehicle that put Devin Davis in the hospital and out of IU's season.
I know plenty about the facts...
I discussed them with you when it first happened when you were using another handle.
I discussed them with you when it first happened when you were using another handle.
I'll be very surprised
if he's retained. Wilson has booted kids for much less. And we aren't OSU in many ways, including disciplinary punishment!
He's suspended until a through investigation is conducted by Police and football and university personnel. But if her story doesn't change, I'll be very shocked if he's allowed back, and personally, he should be gone for such an incident in my opinion. There are some things that I think you can give a second change for, but assaulting a female isn't one of them.
if he's retained. Wilson has booted kids for much less. And we aren't OSU in many ways, including disciplinary punishment!
He's suspended until a through investigation is conducted by Police and football and university personnel. But if her story doesn't change, I'll be very shocked if he's allowed back, and personally, he should be gone for such an incident in my opinion. There are some things that I think you can give a second change for, but assaulting a female isn't one of them.
Re: Im not...
The amount of alcohol in Holt's system was not enough to cause any level of impairment. Had he been 21 rather than 19 it wouldn't have even been an offense. Davis was highly intoxicated and threw himself in front of Holt's car.
Two witnesses corroborated Holt's role and the police report cleared him of any wrongdoing. What happened to Davis was his own fault and not the result of any irresponsibility or illegality. You are actually slandering Holt to suggest he was responsible.
Not that this has anything to do with Ralph Green, but you are either ignorant of the facts in the Holt/Davis incident or are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
The amount of alcohol in Holt's system was not enough to cause any level of impairment. Had he been 21 rather than 19 it wouldn't have even been an offense. Davis was highly intoxicated and threw himself in front of Holt's car.
Two witnesses corroborated Holt's role and the police report cleared him of any wrongdoing. What happened to Davis was his own fault and not the result of any irresponsibility or illegality. You are actually slandering Holt to suggest he was responsible.
Not that this has anything to do with Ralph Green, but you are either ignorant of the facts in the Holt/Davis incident or are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
I am neither...
...ignorant or misrepresenting anything.
Holt had alcohol in his system...underage and behind the wheel. Impaired or not...he was underage and behind the wheel and cited for such. He contributed to the situation. Had he not had alcohol in is system under age...Had he not been behind the wheel....he wouldnt have been anything more thqn a witness. In actuallity, he was part of the reason that Devin Davis lost a season of playing. He was part of the reason that Devin Davis was laid up in the hospital with a serious brain trauma.
Im not discounting any part Davis played...Holt was cited for being underage, with alcohol in his system, and operating a vehicle.
...ignorant or misrepresenting anything.
Holt had alcohol in his system...underage and behind the wheel. Impaired or not...he was underage and behind the wheel and cited for such. He contributed to the situation. Had he not had alcohol in is system under age...Had he not been behind the wheel....he wouldnt have been anything more thqn a witness. In actuallity, he was part of the reason that Devin Davis lost a season of playing. He was part of the reason that Devin Davis was laid up in the hospital with a serious brain trauma.
Im not discounting any part Davis played...Holt was cited for being underage, with alcohol in his system, and operating a vehicle.
Re: I am neither...
Had Holt had ZERO alcohol in his system, he still would likely have hit Davis. I hit a guy once who rode his bike right off the sidewalk and into the side of my car. He was drunk, I hadn't an ounce of alcohol in my system. Fortunately, he was only scraped from falling on the road. Had he ridden off the sidewalk a second earlier - in front of my car - I might have killed him. That doesn't make it my fault and the only way I contributed to the situation is that I happened to be driving a car. If I had had one beer before the accident, it wouldn't have made a difference in the likelihood or the severity of the incident.
Whether you think you are or not, you are misrepresenting the situation. Holt was punished for underage consumption, and appropriately so. To suggest that his BAC contributed to the accident is not supported by fact. Holt didn't cost DD anything- Davis' own poor choices did that.
Maybe IU should demand that from this point on, athletes only ride bicycles. This would greatly increase the odds that they would never be more than witnesses. If IU should dismiss every athlete who consumes alcohol before age 21, there wil be lots of open schollies in every sport. And most of the all-conference and all-American players in IU history would probably have been representing other schools.
Having a drunk friend jump in front of your moving vehicle doesn't equal being staggering, sloppy drunk at twice the legal limit and hitting a woman who won't dance with you.
Had Holt had ZERO alcohol in his system, he still would likely have hit Davis. I hit a guy once who rode his bike right off the sidewalk and into the side of my car. He was drunk, I hadn't an ounce of alcohol in my system. Fortunately, he was only scraped from falling on the road. Had he ridden off the sidewalk a second earlier - in front of my car - I might have killed him. That doesn't make it my fault and the only way I contributed to the situation is that I happened to be driving a car. If I had had one beer before the accident, it wouldn't have made a difference in the likelihood or the severity of the incident.
Whether you think you are or not, you are misrepresenting the situation. Holt was punished for underage consumption, and appropriately so. To suggest that his BAC contributed to the accident is not supported by fact. Holt didn't cost DD anything- Davis' own poor choices did that.
Maybe IU should demand that from this point on, athletes only ride bicycles. This would greatly increase the odds that they would never be more than witnesses. If IU should dismiss every athlete who consumes alcohol before age 21, there wil be lots of open schollies in every sport. And most of the all-conference and all-American players in IU history would probably have been representing other schools.
Having a drunk friend jump in front of your moving vehicle doesn't equal being staggering, sloppy drunk at twice the legal limit and hitting a woman who won't dance with you.
Almost everyone on here assumes Green is automatically guilty of
some criminal offense(s).
A vigilante crowd that we unfortunately have here
some criminal offense(s).
A vigilante crowd that we unfortunately have here
While I agree with the suspension pending further evidence of what happened, I am with Optimist13 in that I will wait to see what evidence exists and what crimes have been committed. I am unwilling to suggest kicking him off the team and out of school based upon newspaper reports and police reports. I believe a little due process is a good thing in today's world of judge immediately upon what papers and police say, judge harsh and move on. His actions may well warrant being removed from the program, but it seems it is a little early to make that call. Suspend pending more information, investigation and process.
