He's very smart, very sharp. He's also very impudent.
He's definitely 3rd or 4th on my list. I'd take Youngkin, Desantis, or Rubio before him, not necessarily in that order.
So was it okay for Biden,
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He's definitely 3rd or 4th on my list. I'd take Youngkin, Desantis, or Rubio before him, not necessarily in that order.
That's medical malpractice. For a normal man, maybe not. Bur for a VP and President? They should absolutely have every test available.It didn't have to, he hasn't been checked in 7 years. They never checked it while he was president.
Joe Biden was last screened for prostate cancer in 2014 before diagnosis
Joe Biden was never screened for prostate cancer during his four years as president, following medical recommendations for men 70 or older.www.usatoday.com
What a clown show - and that's just his medical team.
That's interesting, because I'm 70 and my doctor just recently asked me if I wanted a PSA test. I did.Hmm, this says PSA treatment should NOT happen to people over 70
Recommendation: Prostate Cancer: Screening | United States Preventive Services Taskforce
www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org
The American Cancer Society seem to be in to coverup too:
Because prostate cancer often grows slowly, men without symptoms of prostate cancer who have less than a 10-year life expectancy should not be offered prostate cancer screening, because they aren’t likely to benefit from it. Overall health status, and not age alone, is important when making decisions about screening.American Cancer Society Recommendations for Prostate Cancer Early Detection
The American Cancer Society (ACS) recommends that men have a chance to make an informed decision with their health care provider about whether to be screened for prostate cancer.www.cancer.org
So it appears Biden's doctor was going by the book.
It's basically what your doctor authorizes. After my kidney incident, I make sure I get a CT scan every year, whether I have to pay for it or not.
The mom died in a car crash back in the 70s which Joe blamed on a drunk driver. However, he wasn't drunk and it was his wife who caused the accident.
False negative numbers will vary. Your point 3 is an oversimplification. There is a lot more that goes into an appropriate standard of care besides age.post #59, this thread
So was it okay for Biden,
Coh is spot on. It colors your objectivity re the left and has for the last four years. This iteration under Biden including Biden is every bit as despicable as Trump. Trump and Biden are birds of a feather. I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by...indiana.forums.rivals.com
executive summary
1) In 20-30% of ALL men, the number varying depending on which study, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range.
2) when you limit the analysis to men over 70, prostate cancer develops despite PSA levels in the normal range ~50% of the time
3) This finding led to recommendations for doctors to not even do PSA tests on men over 70 and instead regularly ask detailed questions of the patient about SYMPTOMS such as urination frequency, incomplete bladder emptying, urge incontinence
4) Point 3 explains why Biden didn't have PSA test done: it is not predictive of prostate cancer with more than a coin flip certainty and he reported no symptoms, apparently
5) There have been proposals to refine the PSA analysis guidelines, such as to consider smaller upward changes in the PSA numbers as a "red flag", even if the new number still qualifies as being in the "normal" range. These haven't been adopted, however.
... the more you know...
The most frequent reason offered to stop old man PSA testing is over treatment. That reason is pretty silly when you think about it.
As you say, “the more you know . . . .” That goes for old guys too.
PSA testing is simple. It caries virtually no risk, especially if the patient has a blood draw anyway. The sensitivities are getting better.
In truth, my doctor for 20 years started remembering how much I hated his tickle finger. I always looked back his way, yelling, “Fuk me in the ass while you’re back there!” About 5 years before he retired he started giving me the option. I always thanked him with a smile and decline of “perhaps next time.” Plus, he knew when I retired I quite wearing underwear as a person reward to myself. I never told him the reason why.
The young, foreign female physician who took his place has never broached the sensitive subject matter. I wish she would. I can only imagine what she might read in my chart. She can see it becoming the talk of professional cocktail parties, thrown out to break the uncomfortable silence heard ultimately coming from bore-ish colleagues pigeonholed into thinking life is all work and no play.
From Grok:
On December 18, 1972, Neilia and their 13-month-old daughter, Naomi, were killed in a car accident in Hockessin, Delaware. Neilia was driving the family’s Chevrolet station wagon with their three children—Beau, Hunter, and Naomi—to buy a Christmas tree when the vehicle pulled out from a stop sign at the intersection of Valley Road and Delaware Route 7 (Limestone Road). It was broadsided by a tractor-trailer driven by Curtis C. Dunn, who was not charged, as police determined Neilia’s vehicle entered the truck’s right of way, possibly because she was distracted or didn’t see the oncoming truck. Neilia and Naomi died on arrival at Wilmington General Hospital, while Beau (age 3) and Hunter (age 2) survived with serious injuries, including a broken leg for Beau and a skull fracture for Hunter.
Police investigations at the time concluded that Neilia’s Chevrolet station wagon pulled out from a stop sign into the path of Dunn’s truck at the intersection in Hockessin, Delaware. Authorities determined that Dunn was not at fault and did not charge him, finding no indication of alcohol impairment. A 2008 CBS News report noted that Dunn, who died in 1999, was deeply affected by the incident, and his family consistently maintained he was not drinking, supported by police findings. However, rumors about alcohol persisted, largely due to the tragedy’s high profile and Biden’s public life, but these claims lack substantiation from official records.
Yes, Joe Biden has referenced the idea that the driver of the tractor-trailer, Curtis C. Dunn, was drunk at the time of the 1972 accident that killed his first wife, Neilia, and daughter, Naomi. In several instances, Biden made comments that implied or directly suggested alcohol was involved, though these claims were not supported by official police reports, which found no evidence of Dunn being intoxicated and did not charge him.
Examples of Biden’s Statements:
In 2001, at the University of Delaware, Biden reportedly said, “A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly—and I never pursued it—drank his lunch instead of eating it, broadsided my family.” This suggested alcohol involvement but included a caveat that he didn’t pursue it.
In 2007, during a campaign event, Biden stated, “A tractor-trailer came barreling down, driven by a guy who had had too much to drink, and hit them broadside.” This more directly implied the driver was intoxicated.
In his 2007 memoir, Promises to Keep, Biden wrote that the truck driver “had a liquid lunch” and “didn’t see the stop sign,” though he acknowledged the accident was not thoroughly investigated for alcohol due to the era’s less stringent DUI enforcement.
Agree and agree and agree
But if it has no predictive value in the patient's age group, why do it? They might as well poll you on your favorite flavor of ice cream. "Rocky Road, huh? Hmmm... a guy in my office a few years ago liked Rocky Road too, and he came down with cancer. So... we're doing a biopsy!"
The rare type you are talking about is Gleason score 9. Google AI tells us that PC at Gleason score 9 takes years to metastasize.
Incidentally, when I was going through treatment, I cross examined my University doc about his recommendation that we watch and wait. One of my questions was will waiting cause an increase in Gleason score. He said probably not, but not enough research to know for sure. (15 years ago). Turns out that after his biopsy my Gleason score came back 8 when it had been 7. He said that was because he did a mapping biopsy of over 90 samples when my previous biopsy was about a dozen. Only one sample was 8.
Do you think it reasonable to assume physicians might want to be more cautious when doing a check up on the President?Hmm, this says PSA treatment should NOT happen to people over 70
Recommendation: Prostate Cancer: Screening | United States Preventive Services Taskforce
The American Cancer Society seem to be in to coverup too:
Because prostate cancer often grows slowly, men without symptoms of prostate cancer who have less than a 10-year life expectancy should not be offered prostate cancer screening, because they aren’t likely to benefit from it. Overall health status, and not age alone, is important when making decisions about screening.American Cancer Society Recommendations for Prostate Cancer Early Detection
The American Cancer Society (ACS) recommends that men have a chance to make an informed decision with their health care provider about whether to be screened for prostate cancer.
So it appears Biden's doctor was going by the book.
From Snopes, and similar fact-checkers:
Claim:
Joe Biden lied in claiming that the accident that killed his wife and daughter involved a driver who had been drinking.
Rating: mixture
What's True
Biden has at least twice publicly stated or suggested that the driver of the truck that struck his wife's vehicle, killing her and the couple's daughter, had been drinking, even though the driver was not charged with drunken driving (or any other infraction suggesting fault on his part).
What's False
No definitive evidence exists to prove or rule out whether the other driver had been drinking, and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was reportedly prevalent among the local community and not something Biden simply made up on his own.
Does this mean Biden was untruthful — even lying, perhaps — when he implied that Dunn had been drinking? According to Lou Angeli, the fireman who treated Dunn at the scene, no evidence definitively establishes or disproves that point:
In regards to intoxication, there was no way to determine if Mr. Dunn had been drinking, since neither of the police officers had breathalyzers aboard their cruisers. His injuries were such that his demeanor was similar to that of someone in a stupor, but those of you who serve in emergency medicine know that such behavior is often presented by victims who are in shock, or perhaps even diabetic.
All of the records pertaining to this accident are lost. It doesn't surprise me. Back then our ambulance incident report was filled out on a 5x7 card and filed away in a box. Once a month the information was transferred to a master list, which was later placed in storage.
If Mr. Dunn was intoxicated, there was no way to determine that at the hospital either, since alcohol blood tests were not mandatory in 1972. The hospital records are missing, as well as the police reports.
Angeli further asserted that this alleged aspect of the accident wasn't a "lie" Biden simply made up out of whole cloth, and that right or wrong, rumor and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was prevalent among the local community:
"To be honest, those of us in fire /rescue here in Delaware assumed that Mr. Dunn had been drinking, based on comments made by police officers at the scene. In the Delaware fire service, rumors travel from station to station like wildfire".
Until he remarried in 1977, whenever Joe Biden attended a public safety event, parade or spoke during a firehouse banquet, police officers and firefighters would approach him and discuss the accident and the tragedy of his wife Neilia and daughter Naomi falling victim to a drunken driver. Imagine how those discussions must have affected the young Senator.
Did Joe Biden Lie About a Drunken Driver's Killing His Wife?
A few weeks after Biden was first elected to the U.S. Senate, his wife and 1-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping.
www.snopes.com
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Yes, asked and answered, councilor. Post #59.
If a test with a yes-or-no outcome has a 50-50 chance of accurately predicting a yes or no condition, that's random chance, and thus has no predictive value by definition. That's the case with PSA tests for levels outside the normal range in over-70 men.
when biden's lips move you know he's lying. just add this to the lies of the demented ahole. did he later send his buddy popcorn to tune him up?From Snopes, and similar fact-checkers:
Claim:
Joe Biden lied in claiming that the accident that killed his wife and daughter involved a driver who had been drinking.
Rating: mixture
What's True
Biden has at least twice publicly stated or suggested that the driver of the truck that struck his wife's vehicle, killing her and the couple's daughter, had been drinking, even though the driver was not charged with drunken driving (or any other infraction suggesting fault on his part).
What's False
No definitive evidence exists to prove or rule out whether the other driver had been drinking, and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was reportedly prevalent among the local community and not something Biden simply made up on his own.
Does this mean Biden was untruthful — even lying, perhaps — when he implied that Dunn had been drinking? According to Lou Angeli, the fireman who treated Dunn at the scene, no evidence definitively establishes or disproves that point:
In regards to intoxication, there was no way to determine if Mr. Dunn had been drinking, since neither of the police officers had breathalyzers aboard their cruisers. His injuries were such that his demeanor was similar to that of someone in a stupor, but those of you who serve in emergency medicine know that such behavior is often presented by victims who are in shock, or perhaps even diabetic.
All of the records pertaining to this accident are lost. It doesn't surprise me. Back then our ambulance incident report was filled out on a 5x7 card and filed away in a box. Once a month the information was transferred to a master list, which was later placed in storage.
If Mr. Dunn was intoxicated, there was no way to determine that at the hospital either, since alcohol blood tests were not mandatory in 1972. The hospital records are missing, as well as the police reports.
Angeli further asserted that this alleged aspect of the accident wasn't a "lie" Biden simply made up out of whole cloth, and that right or wrong, rumor and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was prevalent among the local community:
"To be honest, those of us in fire /rescue here in Delaware assumed that Mr. Dunn had been drinking, based on comments made by police officers at the scene. In the Delaware fire service, rumors travel from station to station like wildfire".
Until he remarried in 1977, whenever Joe Biden attended a public safety event, parade or spoke during a firehouse banquet, police officers and firefighters would approach him and discuss the accident and the tragedy of his wife Neilia and daughter Naomi falling victim to a drunken driver. Imagine how those discussions must have affected the young Senator.
Did Joe Biden Lie About a Drunken Driver's Killing His Wife?
A few weeks after Biden was first elected to the U.S. Senate, his wife and 1-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping.
more interesting the breathalyzer was invented at IU. later perfected by an indiana state trooper
Fluoride's benefits for dental health were discovered at IU in the 40s and 50s. IU chemists got Proctor and Gamble to add it to toothpaste, and Crest was born. Wish IU had gotten royalties. That would be a lot.
Now some states including FL are banning it in water supplies, because taking 100x as much fluoride as anyone can get through drinking water and using toothpaste truly is harmful. But so is taking 200 tylenol at once. But 2 at once is fine. The dose makes the poison. Saying "toxic" without an associated DOSE is meaningless.
Now some states including FL are banning it in water supplies, because taking 100x as much fluoride as anyone can get through drinking water and using toothpaste truly is harmful. But so is taking 200 tylenol at once. But 2 at once is fine. The dose makes the poison. Saying "toxic" without an associated DOSE is meaningless.
We had a bar in town a few years ago that had a breathalyzer machine that people could pay to see where they were at.
It lasted about a month or so, as you can imagine it turned into a game for the local idiots to see how high they could get their BAL.
For something that would impact his presidency, sure. But as CO has suggested one of the big issues with prostate cancer is doing too much, not too little.
Back during COVID IU had a COVID director who gave weekly talks on IU's response. He kept saying to a lot of the questions that he didn't believe in running any test that gives you an answer you don't know what to do with. I forget the other disease that popped up during COVID, but people kept wanting IU to test for it. He kept saying he wouldn't do that because there was nothing knowledge of that disease would change. This form of cancer is almost always very slow going, that is why they do not recommend it past 70. If they discovered cancer with Biden, what would they do? Immediately when word got out there would be a demand to nuke it, chemically treat it, cut it out, all at the same time. That would be worse in a lot of ways than the standard cancer.
I can't remember the book, but someone wrote a book about how aggressive medicine has killed presidents. There were several examples of doctors deciding they had to be heroic when heroism wasn't called for. The one I recall from the author discussing it on tv was Lincoln. He was convinced Lincoln may well have survived the bullet. But then the doctor started jamming a piece of metal in the brain trying to find the bullet. He said there was no way the doctor could do that and keep it in the bullet's channel, so each time he was poking more holes in the brain. The doctor was guaranteeing that Lincoln was going to die.
So yes, the doctors should do exams that will account for conditions they can treat and would impact a presidency during that president's term. And yes, cognitive tests should be done (honestly, they should be live-streamed on CSPAN). So another example is thyroid cancer, it is usually very slow going. No need to cut out a section of the thyroid every year to test for cancer. Are we going to biopsy every body part just in case every year?
This seems like a good response to the question about 70 year olds having the test. And it does note that it is the guideline not to.
Should I continue to get regular PSA testing after age 70? - Harvard Health
Whether or not to continue PSA testing after age 70 depends on many factors, but especially a man's family history of prostate cancer and how comfortable he is about getting a biopsy or treatment i...
www.health.harvard.edu
Back then, elected officials were automatically given the benefit of any doubt regarding possible wrongdoing. ~ Teddy KennedyFrom Snopes, and similar fact-checkers:
Claim:
Joe Biden lied in claiming that the accident that killed his wife and daughter involved a driver who had been drinking.
Rating: mixture
What's True
Biden has at least twice publicly stated or suggested that the driver of the truck that struck his wife's vehicle, killing her and the couple's daughter, had been drinking, even though the driver was not charged with drunken driving (or any other infraction suggesting fault on his part).
What's False
No definitive evidence exists to prove or rule out whether the other driver had been drinking, and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was reportedly prevalent among the local community and not something Biden simply made up on his own.
Does this mean Biden was untruthful — even lying, perhaps — when he implied that Dunn had been drinking? According to Lou Angeli, the fireman who treated Dunn at the scene, no evidence definitively establishes or disproves that point:
In regards to intoxication, there was no way to determine if Mr. Dunn had been drinking, since neither of the police officers had breathalyzers aboard their cruisers. His injuries were such that his demeanor was similar to that of someone in a stupor, but those of you who serve in emergency medicine know that such behavior is often presented by victims who are in shock, or perhaps even diabetic.
All of the records pertaining to this accident are lost. It doesn't surprise me. Back then our ambulance incident report was filled out on a 5x7 card and filed away in a box. Once a month the information was transferred to a master list, which was later placed in storage.
If Mr. Dunn was intoxicated, there was no way to determine that at the hospital either, since alcohol blood tests were not mandatory in 1972. The hospital records are missing, as well as the police reports.
Angeli further asserted that this alleged aspect of the accident wasn't a "lie" Biden simply made up out of whole cloth, and that right or wrong, rumor and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was prevalent among the local community:
"To be honest, those of us in fire /rescue here in Delaware assumed that Mr. Dunn had been drinking, based on comments made by police officers at the scene. In the Delaware fire service, rumors travel from station to station like wildfire".
Until he remarried in 1977, whenever Joe Biden attended a public safety event, parade or spoke during a firehouse banquet, police officers and firefighters would approach him and discuss the accident and the tragedy of his wife Neilia and daughter Naomi falling victim to a drunken driver. Imagine how those discussions must have affected the young Senator.
Did Joe Biden Lie About a Drunken Driver's Killing His Wife?
A few weeks after Biden was first elected to the U.S. Senate, his wife and 1-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping.
Not today! If no official test concluded alcohol or no alcohol, it’s not fair to disparage anyone involved in that claim. Officials may have been partial to the Biden name. Coverups run rampant in Congressional hallways-it’s a sequestered group of likeminded power seekers.
That bit about a guy discussing Lincoln’s brain surgery as if he was there to pass the surgeon his forceps sounds like fodder made to be ingested by gullible TV viewers, filler to create a buzz over an upcoming Netflix series. More sensible adults know better. The surgical techniques in 1865 weren’t the same as today. Shame on anyone thinking another way.
But... but... but... that's just a Harvard doctor. DIM, no doubt.
Need to listen instead to those docs on Newsmax and Faux, with their honorary degrees from Twitter U.
The guy's point was that what chance Lincoln had was in not having brain surgery as they didn't have any way in 1865 to do that. Some, not many, survived with bullets to the head in the war and the bullets were left in (he said, I have never tried to look into it).
med mal is the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer
True. There was also a man who had a railroad spike go through his head and lived for years afterwards.
Phineas Gage was his name.
The man often associated with surviving a railroad spike through his head during the Civil War era is Phineas Gage. On September 13, 1848, Phineas Gage, a 25-year-old American railroad construction foreman, suffered a traumatic brain injury when an accidental explosion drove a 13-pound, 43-inch-long tamping iron through his skull. The iron entered through his left cheek, passed behind his left eye, and exited through the top of his head, destroying much of his brain's left frontal lobe. Remarkably, Gage survived, remaining conscious and able to speak and walk to a cart for medical attention. His case became a landmark in neuroscience, as it provided early evidence of the frontal lobe’s role in personality and behavior, with reports that his personality changed significantly afterward, becoming more impulsive and irreverent, though some accounts suggest he later regained social functionality. His skull and the tamping iron are displayed at the Warren Anatomical Museum at Harvard Medical School.
I keep hoping my early 30s Indian (partly, I think) NP will ask me to do the turn my head and cough test. But, alas, no luck yet.
Or claiming you have a graduate degree, inferring it's in biology, when it's actually in Religious Studies.
The guy with the bullet in the head was from Indiana - the 19th Indiana, I believe.
Not that this is news it is something we all already knew. Well maybe not partisans but everyone else knew it. But I guess the plan was put Trump in prison and sail to victory. Did not quite work out that way for dems.
theleadingreport.com
Kamala Harris Allegedly Covered Up Biden’s Mental Decline, Democratic Source Says
SACRAMENTO, CA — Former Los Angeles Mayor and current California gubernatorial candidate Antonio Villaraigosa has publicly alleged that Kamala Harris and Xavier Becerra were involved in concealing former President Joe Biden’s mental and physical decline during his time in office. Villaraigosa, a...
theleadingreport.com
Other way around. Med Mal lawyers make medical practice safer. The argument would be they make doctors too cautious, but too much caution would not show up in med mal stats.
When I was there, it was somewhere around .25. He was a regular.
If Biden had won reelection, wouldn't this current condition have impacted his presidency?
I first started with my urologist three years ago for the usual pissing symptoms that come with age (67 at the time). After digital exams, MRIs, and a biopsy my current diag of cancer but no big deal was the result. However, my PSA keeps rising. So we have the PSA indicating an increased chance of cancer, but it's not been borne out by subsequent testing or exams. Most recently, Doc put me on Finasteride to see what that does to the PSA. More an experiment than anything else.
The cancer doesn't matter, the mental decline (to be nice) was evident to anyone being honest with themselves, so to me there are three avenues of inquiry. The first is the White House staff. I believe they should have an Article 25 duty to remove the President if/when he/she becomes a turnip (to be less nice) and Congress should both question them and seek to find some way to make the 25th enforceable. Second, I believe the doctors who were supposedly giving Biden the "ok" should have their professional ethics questioned. That examination that every President goes through needs to go through and independent doctor selected by Congress IMO. Finally, I do feel like our propaganda networks need to be treated differently than they currently are. CBS, NBC, and ABC in particular still get free broadcast rights over airwaves owned by the taxpayer. I like Crazed's idea of them declaring their biases, but I also think that the free broadcast rights should be tied to more impartiality. I don't buy it was a passive cover up because they just were not asking questions. They get increased access through things like trips on AF1 as part of the press pool. They knew, but they are part of the party so they viewed it in their interests to look away. Our "press" is contemptible.
As is usually the case, there are people (looking at you Hunter Biden) who are going to escape any sort of punishment for things they are guilty of and I think it is pretty reasonable to believe that in at least some of these cases it is because they took advantage of their adjacency to a powerful position being filled by a guy who was likely nothing but a marionette for a percentage of his Presidency that exceeds zero. Nothing will happen but I would lay money that some of these folks with the autopen pardoned themselves.
This period is going to be viewed very negatively 50 years from now IMO. Just a rash of poor Presidents and poor candidates. I hope we pull ourselves out of a ditch in 28.
As is usually the case, there are people (looking at you Hunter Biden) who are going to escape any sort of punishment for things they are guilty of and I think it is pretty reasonable to believe that in at least some of these cases it is because they took advantage of their adjacency to a powerful position being filled by a guy who was likely nothing but a marionette for a percentage of his Presidency that exceeds zero. Nothing will happen but I would lay money that some of these folks with the autopen pardoned themselves.
This period is going to be viewed very negatively 50 years from now IMO. Just a rash of poor Presidents and poor candidates. I hope we pull ourselves out of a ditch in 28.
