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RIP Jim Irsay

"Peacefully in his sleep." I honestly would have expected "In a loud ruckus surrounded by drug dealers and strippers."
Because you are totally ignorant of how difficult his life was this past two years.
My wife, an RN for IU Health served as liaison between his private staff and his specialty care provider.

I'm glad you posted though. It helps demonstrate what a crass and indifferent piece of shit failure you are.

Have a nice evening.
 
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Could’ve been that way and they all thought he was asleep.

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Because you are totally ignorant of how difficult his life was this past two years.
My wife, an RN for IU Health served as liaison between his private staff and his specialty care provider.

I'm glad you posted though. It helps demonstrate what a crass and indifferent piece of shit failure you are.

Have a nice evening.
Says the guy who started a thread on odds with when President Biden would dies. Crass and indifferent piece of shit sounds about right. You have a nice evening too.
 
Because you are totally ignorant of how difficult his life was this past two years.
My wife, an RN for IU Health served as liaison between his private staff and his specialty care provider.

I'm glad you posted though. It helps demonstrate what a crass and indifferent piece of shit failure you are.

Have a nice evening.
He was also a very well known partier who had a great sense of humor. He probably would have chuckled at Goats comment and thought yours was odd.

I bet you're a blast at parties.
 
It pains me to see so many people around the country say "He was just a rich, coke-snorting, pill-popper born on 3rd base who loved flaunting his money....etc. etc. etc."

It reminds me a little bit of things people said about RMK. Not just when he died, but for many years before that. People elsewhere just didn't understand. It's not that they were wrong about RMK. They were just very....incomplete.

Yeah, Jim Irsay struggled with drug addiction. Lots of people do. And it doesn't discriminate based on anybody's class or station in life. And I admire the hell out of him for being public about it and using his own experience with it to try to help others.

How cool is it that Irsay not only used his money to amass the big pop culture collection he has -- probably the best of its kind in the world -- but also to travel it around the country for people to be able to see....for free?

He turned down a billion dollars to sell it off to Dubai. Because they'd love to have things like the Stratocaster Bob Dylan stunned the music world with at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival...or Ringo's drum kit from the Ed Sullivan show. But I guarantee that Irsay would've hated to make people travel to Dubai to be able to see those artefacts.

The guy was a mensch. A flawed mensch, but a mensch nonetheless.
 
One other (much shorter) note about the reaction to Irsay's death.

It reminds me just how much resentment there is out there for wealthy people -- especially people who largely or entirely inherited their wealth.

Anybody who has that resentment would do themselves a big favor by getting beyond that.
 
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One other (much shorter) note about the reaction to Irsay's death.

It reminds me just how much resentment there is out there for wealthy people -- especially people who largely or entirely inherited their wealth.

Anybody who has that resentment would do themselves a big favor by getting beyond that.
True. But anyone who admires someone for their wealth should get beyond that, too.

I know nothing about Irsay. But nothing you wrote in your post 17 makes me think anyone should care any more about his death or life than any random person off the street. FWIW, I don't think it's "cool" for someone born into money to spend a ton of it amassing a pop culture collection (or art collection or car collection, etc.). Sounds kinda shallow and selfish to me.
 
I credit Jim with helping build a football culture in Indiana; a culture that was typically missing. The Manning era Colts were kick a$$ teams! And of course he did way more good than just that, but people don't give him credit for what I just said.

RIP, Jim Irsay
 
FWIW, I don't think it's "cool" for someone born into money to spend a ton of it amassing a pop culture collection (or art collection or car collection, etc.). Sounds kinda shallow and selfish to me.

Well, to each their own. I think it's a great way to spend money -- especially if it's done in such a way as to put so many of those kinds of things in one place and make them available for people with similar interests to see and enjoy.

He made the point to McAfee about having a Monet painting and John Lennon's piano...and which one most common people today would be interested in seeing. I have nothing against fine art -- but put me in the latter column.

After all, somebody is going to buy all those sorts of things. They have a value -- and that value comes, in part, from the level of interest people would have in seeing them...which Jim made possible.

But, vive la liberte. One of the beautiful things about freedom is that we all can allocate our resources how we think is best. And we can also all disagree with what somebody else does with theirs.

Where we seem to run into a problem is when we start dictating what other people can or can't do with their property.
 
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True. But anyone who admires someone for their wealth should get beyond that, too.

I know nothing about Irsay. But nothing you wrote in your post 17 makes me think anyone should care any more about his death or life than any random person off the street. FWIW, I don't think it's "cool" for someone born into money to spend a ton of it amassing a pop culture collection (or art collection or car collection, etc.). Sounds kinda shallow and selfish to me.
Colts players loved the guy.
 
True. But anyone who admires someone for their wealth should get beyond that, too.

I should also say that, for me, wealth is certainly not enough to make me admire somebody. I have negative feelings about gobs of rich people. But those feelings have nothing to do with them being rich. They have to do with other things.

Whether somebody's rich or not really shouldn't factor into one's feelings about some notable person. But it clearly does for a lot of people. And it seems like it's far more common to resent people simply for being rich than it does to lionize people simply for being rich.
 
I should also say that, for me, wealth is certainly not enough to make me admire somebody. I have negative feelings about gobs of rich people. But those feelings have nothing to do with them being rich. They have to do with other things.

Whether somebody's rich or not really shouldn't factor into one's feelings about some notable person. But it clearly does for a lot of people. And it seems like it's far more common to resent people simply for being rich than it does to lionize people simply for being rich.
I disagree completely with your last sentence.
 
Well, to each their own. I think it's a great way to spend money -- especially if it's done in such a way as to put so many of those kinds of things in one place and make them available for people with similar interests to see and enjoy.

He made the point to McAfee about having a Monet painting and John Lennon's piano...and which one most common people today would be interested in seeing. I have nothing against fine art -- but put me in the latter column.

After all, somebody is going to buy all those sorts of things. They have a value -- and that value comes, in part, from the level of interest people would have in seeing them...which Jim made possible.

But, vive la liberte. One of the beautiful things about freedom is that we all can allocate our resources how we think is best. And we can also all disagree with what somebody else does with theirs.

Where we seem to run into a problem is when we start dictating what other people can or can't do with their property.
To me, this type of behavior is much more worthy of praise than collecting and displaying a piano or a bunch of guitars:

Irsay and his family donated to various projects and programs across Indiana, including the Irsay Family YMCA,[23][24] the downtown Indianapolis Colts Canal Playspace,[25] Riley Hospital for Children,[26][27] Wheeler Mission Center for Women & Children,[28] and Indiana University's Irsay Research Institute.[29]

In late 2020, the Irsay family launched Kicking The Stigma, which is dedicated to "raise awareness about mental health disorders and to remove the shame and stigma too often associated with these illnesses."[35] The foundation has numerous partner organizations, including Mental Health America of Indiana,[36] National Alliance on Mental Illness of Greater Indianapolis,[37] Project Healthy Minds[38], and Bring Change to Mind.[39] As of late 2022, Kicking The Stigma had committed more than $17 million (through action grants and personal donations by the Irsay family) towards its initiatives. In 2022, a total of $1.4 million in action grants were distributed to 23 nonprofits and organizations in the mental health sector.[40] In 2021, the action grants totaled $2.7 million and were gifted to 16 groups.[41]

In December 2021, the Irsay family donated $3 million to Indiana University to create a research institute dedicated to studying mental health and the stigma associated with it.[42] The donation was an extension of Kicking The Stigma. Named the Irsay Family Research Institute,[43] the center will be located on IU's Bloomington campus in Morrison Hall. Some of the focuses of the center will be providing support for research, analyzing sociomedical sciences, advancing more graduates trained in the mental health field and promoting mental health more locally and nationally.[44]
 
To me, this type of behavior is much more worthy of praise than collecting and displaying a piano or a bunch of guitars:

Irsay and his family donated to various projects and programs across Indiana, including the Irsay Family YMCA,[23][24] the downtown Indianapolis Colts Canal Playspace,[25] Riley Hospital for Children,[26][27] Wheeler Mission Center for Women & Children,[28] and Indiana University's Irsay Research Institute.[29]

In late 2020, the Irsay family launched Kicking The Stigma, which is dedicated to "raise awareness about mental health disorders and to remove the shame and stigma too often associated with these illnesses."[35] The foundation has numerous partner organizations, including Mental Health America of Indiana,[36] National Alliance on Mental Illness of Greater Indianapolis,[37] Project Healthy Minds[38], and Bring Change to Mind.[39] As of late 2022, Kicking The Stigma had committed more than $17 million (through action grants and personal donations by the Irsay family) towards its initiatives. In 2022, a total of $1.4 million in action grants were distributed to 23 nonprofits and organizations in the mental health sector.[40] In 2021, the action grants totaled $2.7 million and were gifted to 16 groups.[41]

In December 2021, the Irsay family donated $3 million to Indiana University to create a research institute dedicated to studying mental health and the stigma associated with it.[42] The donation was an extension of Kicking The Stigma. Named the Irsay Family Research Institute,[43] the center will be located on IU's Bloomington campus in Morrison Hall. Some of the focuses of the center will be providing support for research, analyzing sociomedical sciences, advancing more graduates trained in the mental health field and promoting mental health more locally and nationally.[44]

They’re all good uses of money to me. And all beneficial to society.
 
To me, this type of behavior is much more worthy of praise than collecting and displaying a piano or a bunch of guitars:

Irsay and his family donated to various projects and programs across Indiana, including the Irsay Family YMCA,[23][24] the downtown Indianapolis Colts Canal Playspace,[25] Riley Hospital for Children,[26][27] Wheeler Mission Center for Women & Children,[28] and Indiana University's Irsay Research Institute.[29]

In late 2020, the Irsay family launched Kicking The Stigma, which is dedicated to "raise awareness about mental health disorders and to remove the shame and stigma too often associated with these illnesses."[35] The foundation has numerous partner organizations, including Mental Health America of Indiana,[36] National Alliance on Mental Illness of Greater Indianapolis,[37] Project Healthy Minds[38], and Bring Change to Mind.[39] As of late 2022, Kicking The Stigma had committed more than $17 million (through action grants and personal donations by the Irsay family) towards its initiatives. In 2022, a total of $1.4 million in action grants were distributed to 23 nonprofits and organizations in the mental health sector.[40] In 2021, the action grants totaled $2.7 million and were gifted to 16 groups.[41]

In December 2021, the Irsay family donated $3 million to Indiana University to create a research institute dedicated to studying mental health and the stigma associated with it.[42] The donation was an extension of Kicking The Stigma. Named the Irsay Family Research Institute,[43] the center will be located on IU's Bloomington campus in Morrison Hall. Some of the focuses of the center will be providing support for research, analyzing sociomedical sciences, advancing more graduates trained in the mental health field and promoting mental health more locally and nationally.[44]

If you were from around Indy these kinds of stories aren't surprising. He was a very generous individual always looking to help out people in the community, most often anonymously.




 
If you're going to live in a complex civilization, that's required to some extent.

Of course. And the extent is the rub.

Given where everything sits, the sea of red ink, our incapacity to do anything about it, the fact that despite the sea of red ink our cities’ streets are still lined with homeless encampments, and where this is all very likely to lead…

…how well do you think our foray into exploring this “extent” has worked out for us?

I think it’s been a damn disaster. And obviously so. But there are still people in denial about that.
 
Of course. And the extent is the rub.

Given where everything sits, the sea of red ink, our incapacity to do anything about it, the fact that despite the sea of red ink our cities’ streets are still lined with homeless encampments, and where this is all very likely to lead…

…how well do you think our foray into exploring this “extent” has worked out for us?

I think it’s been a damn disaster. And obviously so. But there are still people in denial about that.


Hyperbole much? Good grief.
 
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Hyperbole much? Good grief.

I don’t think so, no. We’ve spent ourselves into a deep hole trying to affect more equal outcomes.

Not only has the effort failed miserably, we’ve left ourselves with a range of really bad options to avoid entering the same spiral that has befallen so many other countries before us.

Assuming we don’t start seeing consistent 5-6% annual growth rates in coming decades, I think it’s pretty likely that the standard of living Americans have come to expect is going to be diminished for many people.

And there will be precisely one reason why.
 
True. But anyone who admires someone for their wealth should get beyond that, too.

I know nothing about Irsay. But nothing you wrote in your post 17 makes me think anyone should care any more about his death or life than any random person off the street. FWIW, I don't think it's "cool" for someone born into money to spend a ton of it amassing a pop culture collection (or art collection or car collection, etc.). Sounds kinda shallow and selfish to me.
It just burns my ass every time I hear about his guitar collection or his donation to ABC, when I'm still paying an extra 2% on food and drink in the metro Indy area to fund his 2 football stadiums.
 
It just burns my ass every time I hear about his guitar collection or his donation to ABC, when I'm still paying an extra 2% on food and drink in the metro Indy area to fund his 2 football stadiums.

I totally get that frustration.

But, let’s face it, owning a major sports franchise that lots and lots of people strongly want to keep in their town brings with it an almost singular amount of political leverage.

Everybody bitches about publicly funded stadiums. But everybody also bitches when their teams leave.

There aren’t many cities that would trade spots with Oakland these days. But Oakland taxpayers can at least say they aren’t paying for a billionaire’s team’s stadium.
 
I totally get that frustration.

But, let’s face it, owning a major sports franchise that lots and lots of people strongly want to keep in their town brings with it an almost singular amount of political leverage.

Everybody bitches about publicly funded stadiums. But everybody also bitches when their teams leave.

There aren’t many cities that would trade spots with Oakland these days. But Oakland taxpayers can at least say they aren’t paying for a billionaire’s team’s stadium.
Oakland is a shithole with or without the As, Raiders and Warriors. The coliseum parking lots are full of RVs that people live in now. Oakland and Indy are aren't an apples to apples comparison, just based on the MSA of each, let alone the amount of poverty and corruption.
 
Oakland is a shithole with or without the As, Raiders and Warriors. The coliseum parking lots are full of RVs that people live in now. Oakland and Indy are aren't an apples to apples comparison, just based on the MSA of each, let alone the amount of poverty and corruption.

Oh, it’s all connected. Chickens and eggs, and all that.

If Oakland was prospering, they’d have funded the 2 stadiums. They didn’t because they couldn’t…and Vegas could.

It’s a cautionary tale. That’s the sort of things that will happen to communities that fall behind.
 
If not exactly that long, it's close.

That’s downright outrageous.

I guess they could argue that they’re just taking the Dave Ramsey approach to municipal development: save all the money first, and pay for it in cash…rather than taking the usual route of issuing a bond.

They’re just being prudent and diligent!
 
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