his doctor, and those around him to lie about his cancer and cognitive decline?
So was it okay for Biden,
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What the Dems and complicit media did was not okay. I honestly think Biden was so out of it he hardly recognized it. I hold him less responsible. The media. His handlers. Despicable.
The idea that Trump is some how worse than that batch of Dems is absolutely comical
While I think it’s beyond debate that people were lying about Biden’s cognitive decline, I don’t think we can conclude with the information we have that anybody lied about his cancer.
It’s possible they did. It’s possible they didn’t.
Who cares. You guys have claimed to know this for years and it's one of the reasons the Dems lost this past fall. Democracy worked. Move on and worry about your own extremely old, senile and decrepit guy. His doctors said he is in the best shape of any president ever. 😂
Was it ok for Trump to dictate to his doctor what he was supposed to say on his physical and lie about his weight? What proof do you have of your accusations?
Biden was sequestered and we saw his decline in the few choreographed times he emerged. There’s zero comparison to Trump. Zero. He is transparent. We see him incessantly
The Dems were concerted in a cover up. It’s that bad for any objective viewer
Was it okay for you to lie about Trump laundering money?
YeAhBuTtRuMp!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it wasn't, whatever it was. We don't know when he discovered cancer that I am aware of. If it came about after he dropped out, does it matter?
Remember when MAGAt's would cry every time someone brought up Trump 2020-2024?
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The democrats and MSM are ****ing shameless.
Blah blah blah. Of course it's not ok. But there is zero chance it's ever proven and zero chance anything really happens because of the alleged lies. Reagan was supposedly donezo at the end of his second term too. Move on. Worry about the guy in office now. Who by the way, wears diapers and needs meth to stay awake.
The decision making on the DNC side of the fence has been historically awful. How anyone could come to the conclusion that Biden running for a 2nd term was the best solution... well its mind blowing to me.
The pearl clutching though on the GOP side, with the most brazenly corrupt POTUS in the history of our country... is more than a little bit rich. But I guess he and they lie to our faces, so that makes it all better. How about we strive for less lying?
Trump's doctors only tell the truth
At the end of the day, we know they don't care about anything their side does. This is nothing but playing partisan politics.
and that was even when we knew Trump was going to run again.
We all know Biden is done in politics (other then maybe assisting others).
Given the technology-based diagnostic capabilities extant today, the tale being spun by democrat propagandists is ludicrous.
Any PET or CT scan would light up like a neon beer sign, and his PSA levels would have been elevated for a long, long time.
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This isn't about anyone but Biden's handlers and their lying to the American people, Hickory.
Yes it was, Biden and Hunter were the crooks.
Like most people here, I don't really know enough to be adamant (and I'm leaving the cancer diagnosis aside from that statement).
Who knew what when is relevant and I don't know each in and out. Regardless of when it turned out to be knowable, I agree that Biden would not have been fit to serve in office for another four years. I do think a combination of denial, the reality for the prospects of replacing the incumbent Biden late in the game, and the perceived existential threat posed by Trump are likely and plausible contextual explanations for poor decision-making. And I think the people that pushed forward despite doubts about Biden likely to this day perceive Trump's fitness as a greater concern even than Biden's declining state.
As carville has screamed it’s progressives. It was progressives. That’s why I have little belief that Biden was anything other than a proxy.
strive for less lying. Better candidates. Probably asking for too much at this point. He/she who screams loudest and/or is the most sensational is all media covers at this point. Anyone sane and measured can’t be heard
It’s all part of the “Everything Equals Everything” strategy of MAGA-based Trump defense.
The base gobbles it up.
It matters in the context of the Democratic Party & their willingness to prop up a puppet who it appears was incompetent to carry out his duty as President & engage in a large scale cover up. If true, yes it matters.
And before Queen Yabbut chimes in with “Trump is incompetent!!!!”, I’m talking about at the minimum mental capacity or physical ability to function, not morality, policy, etc.
Exactly. That’s the distinction. We voted for Trump. We know Trump is making decisions. Great or shit that’s debatable and fine.
Biden was tantamount to disenfranchising voters. He wasn’t capable. Wasn’t answering questions. And was making policy that was radical and not congruent with his history. So who was calling the shots that no one voted for
It's surely an overstatement, but I'm not entirely convinced the voices you seek are there. I don't hear much (any?) sanity coming from Republican officeholders and I basically don't hear any coherent message at all coming from Democratic officeholders. Maybe that's a function of the media coverage (which is surely beyond terrible), but I suspect that's not the only issue.
No one thought running Biden again in 2024 was the best solution, except for Biden.
I'm seeing more confusion from Trump this go round, although with him you also have to separate out the obvious lies. I think before the end of this term we may be having these same discussions on Trump. Being President is stressful, especially given his age.
The cancer doesn't matter if it happened after he dropped out. There is no indication the cancer has any impact on his ability to perform the job in the months remaining in his term. We've had a lot of presidents with medical conditions that impacted a lot of things, but not necessarily their judgement. Ike had heart issues, JFK had back issues, FDR had the polio aftermath, Arthur had nephritis, and Cleveland had mouth cancer.
I see Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has the same cancer as Biden and only has a couple of months to live. Clearly they didn't catch Adams' in time to prevent it going to the bone, so there is no reason to necessarily believed the cancer was covered up.
The primary system is certainly an issue but what else? We have trump as president. AOC is being pushed as the candidate for the left.
We have sane govs. They get almost zero play comparatively. Stand and scream and be sensational and you will get all the free advertising promotion you want in the current environment. If it didn’t work we wouldn’t have AOC and Trump
Eh. I doubt it’s very stressful for him. I think he likes it. And hell it has to be far less stressful than spending your free time bouncing from one criminal court to the next as a defendant praying for continuances 🤣
There have been multiple oncologists on TV, other media, and the Mayo doctor cited in another thread comment that
1) more often than not, prostate cancer is detectable early based on a PSA test, a blood test that measures the amount of prostate-specific antigen (PSA) in your blood
2) In a significant number of cases (10-30%), however, PSA levels stay within normal ranges and so prostate cancer is not suspected
3) In those cases PSA levels can remain low even for years and the prostate cancer is not diagnosed until symptoms emerge that necessitate other protocols (imaging, biopsy, etc)
This thread is assuming that #1 is the only possibility. It is merely the more common situation.
1) more often than not, prostate cancer is detectable early based on a PSA test, a blood test that measures the amount of prostate-specific antigen (PSA) in your blood
2) In a significant number of cases (10-30%), however, PSA levels stay within normal ranges and so prostate cancer is not suspected
3) In those cases PSA levels can remain low even for years and the prostate cancer is not diagnosed until symptoms emerge that necessitate other protocols (imaging, biopsy, etc)
This thread is assuming that #1 is the only possibility. It is merely the more common situation.
True on governors, but my hard-wiring wants them to stay in their lanes and govern their states. How they coordinate with each other to represent a broader coalition matters, though. I don't know what's happening on that front.
Especially on the Democratic side or among a new coalition of moderate office-holders, a clear foothold needs to be established with clarity. There appears to be a total vacuum today.
At some level, I don't think it's even that hard. Start with core principles of governance and then move down to top-level issues.
I think it is very likely the cancer diagnosis happened before the Biden Bunch admitted to it. But for Tapper’s book release, I don’t think we’d know about the diagnosis now. Prostate cancer is not debilitating as is dementia. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause dementia. I don’t think when he knew matters.
Biden's political legacy is hot garbage. Yet he doesn’t deserve the agony of metastatic prostate cancer. I feel sorry for him because of that. As Scott Adams told us, Biden’s final days of his life will be painful.
Another unattractive MAGA trait on display here: certainty that they know something they do not know.
Just stop. You aren’t helping. Saying something is very likely true is different from knowing something is true.
No. Most aren’t saying it was “likely,” they’re saying he had cancer, without a doubt, and it was covered up. They do not know that, but they are certain they know it. You can throw in another MAGA trait on display - cruelty. MAGA culture is ugly and corrosive and it needs to be 86’d.
The culture of governance explained.
What government is becoming.
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Biden lied about every important event in his life, including the death of his wife and two children, solely for the purpose of political credibility and political gain. I already pointed out that the chances of this diagnosis happening as Biden claims are 93% the other way. (Yeah I have a thorough understanding of PC diagnosis, treatments, statistics and prognosis. I was a very informed patient). The opinions about Biden are very reasonable.
Your messages about this springs from your intense dislike of Trump that frequently shows up as criticizing Trump supporters on this board. (No I don’t know that, but that is my opinion from reading all of your posts I see)
I think you are overstating your point.
I dislike MAGA culture even more than I dislike Trump. Their behavior is encouraged by Trump’s behavior, but I have no confidence it will go away when Trump does. It has made the GOP extremely ugly and I’m not down with it.
