Yep, it's always the Russians.Yes...all these meetings. Kremlin connected Michael Flynn and his son. The secret, secure Russian communication line for Jared Kushner to the Kremlin. Deeply Russian connected Paul Manafort who for some reason worked as Trump's campaign for FREE, Roger Stone contacting Russian Hackers that targeted the DNC, that other bald goof who transacts all kinds of business in Russia. The fact thatTrump can never, ever, utter something negative about Russia...even after they actively influenced our elections. The fact that the first thing on Trump's agenda after being elected was to attempt to drop all Russian sanctions. The fact that Trump is acting in concert with Russia to break up NATO and the EU. The meeting between Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer...also with deep ties to Russia...where he personally delivered a "peace plan" from a Russian oligarch to the White House that involved the lifting of sanctions on Russia.
You know what this is called? COINCIDENCE! Duh!!! Just wild eyed speculation!!!!
So dumb.
So, Donald, Jr. set up a meeting
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Until recently it wouldn't have cost anyone anything to agree. Now it costs something...and we learn they don't really agree after all. By the way...if it were shown that Trump literally committed treason...they wouldn't care about that either.
I'm not following the story closely enough, but endless discussions of the definition of 'a thing of value' aren't much for explaining the gravity of the situation. I'd settle for (a) the Trumps are thick as thieves with corrupt Russians and (b) the Trumps have no understanding of the legal no-no's for anything they do. That just further drives home the point that Trump is wholly unqualified and unsuited to be President and is playing for the wrong team. That's the unimpeachable reality and shouldn't get lost in arcane legal discussions.
That's because legal/illegal and right/wrong have no bearing on it. The only thing that matters is if it serves their purpose and if they can pull it off. It is truly sociopathic.
Find me something illegal and I'll rail against it. You bash Republicans for saying 'but it's not illegal' yet in the very next paragraph you admit that nothing has been found that is illegal. Which is it Goat? So, you want me to call something illegal that's not illegal? What are you really trying to say here?
Clear case of a massive misunderstanding .. junior just wanted to pay his parking ticket and has spun out of communication control.
Silly Billy.
What this all done, I wonder which movie will be more successful:
1) The Greatest Witch Hunt on Earth (produced by Don Trump Jnr.)
2) The Manhattan Candidate (starring Alex Balwin and Melissa McCarthy)
'Sources say' even if he son publishes it on twitter is fake? Colour me confused.
His own son per persona non grata or he doesnt exist?
That's got to hurt.
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He's became self-parody at this point. Some of his posts during the last few months on here have been completely off the rails.
As always with Trump, there are always tweets where he seems to disagree with himself:
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So is it NOT a big deal that the WH helped Jr with his first statement, which was a lie, and that Trump also saw it? I guess that if Trump was still saying he didn't know anything about the meeting, it still doesn't prove anything. But at that point, it's hard to believe he didn't know.
My bet is that he knew AND that the excising of the Ukranian language in the Repub party platform was a kind of quid pro quo from Trump to the Russians to demonstrate good faith and get them to go full force to elect Trump. Trump was publically colluding with the Russians after the Republican convention. Recall that the changing of the Republican platform in July followed the meeting between DTJr, Kushner and Manafort and the Russians in June. But it was only after the Republican convention and three days before the Democratic convention that the Russians began the full scale leak of the DNC emails. http://www.motherjones.com/politics...ia-leaks-hacks-tweets-2016-election-timeline/
Actually, I think we definitely know why Junior Trump accepted the meeting. -- the emails show he thought he was meeting a Russian government attorney of some kind to get some dirt on Hillary that had been obtained by the Russian govt. He can't get a gold star for honesty and respect after admitting this was what he was trying to do. The fact that the Russian lawyer may not have proven to be what he thought does not change what he admits he was trying to do.
They (the Trump family) believe a big enough portion of America is that stupid. I believe they are right.
Because Junior thought the meeting was going to be to get dirt from a Russian-govt-affiliated attorney about Hillary. Junior doesn't deny this was the purpose.Like the other secret lied-about meetings with Russian operatives, this meeting was entirely innocent:
Instead, Junior said the meeting was a waste of time because the attorney didn't have the information he was expecting to get.
It's like a hypothetical guy who tries to rob a bank, walks into the bank with a weapon and demands money but doesn't get any. Would you believe a guy like that if he said he didn't try to rob the bank?
Do you care about dishonesty in the White House or just whether the White House was involved in or knew about hacking/vote tampering?
No, he doesn't. At least so long as the party he definitely isn't a member of and definitely didn't vote for just happens to be in power. Quite the coincidence, really.
But he received a meeting. Doesn't that count as having value even if you accept the rest of it?
I really, really doubt it. I've never heard of a meeting per se as being ruled to have value in any sense. We'd be really torturing the law to make that case.
I'd prefer honesty, but I'm no longer naive enough to expect it.
I'd prefer we create jobs and kill ISIS, but the Partisans won't let that happen. Politics is more important right now.
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