Should we have self-reported?

[Let 'er Fly]

its been downhill ever since. We self reported for making too many phone calls which is now legal. NCAA realized it was a harsh rule.

In the meantime, other schools defend their fake classes, use hookers to recruit, and use shoe companies to entice recruits. In the meantime, Sampson and pearl have their teams as top seeds.

I know it’s a lame excuse as to why we’ve spent years of irrelevancy but makes you wonder what if...

 

[ams66]

We shouldn't have hired Sampson.

 

[Upset Alert]

For one reason or another, IU had this thing to try and emulate Oklahoma by poaching a basketball and football coach from that area. Even changed the football unis to replicate the Sooners. Neither hire turned out well.

Now IU basically has no identity and is totally lost. The BTN is probably the worst thing that has happened for us fans. The powers-that-be do not care about winning, like the fans do. The steady stream of cash through the networks will still be there for the taking, win or lose. Without this generous cash flow, winning would take more priority than it does today.

As for the answer to the op's question....it's a tricky question. On one hand if you say yes, then IU got what it deserved. On the other hand if you say no, then expect to be attacked on here by the holier-than thou's. It's a no win situation. So I'll keep my opinion to myself on that regard for the moment.

 

[ufo33]

No

 

[gulcherboy]

Proposition One: I'm not sure what Let'er Fly means by, "it's all been downhill from there." The program has gone from two coaches in 2007-2009 who went a combined 9-29 to three seasons of 25+ wins, NBA-caliber players, months spent ranked number one in the nation and four NCAA tourney appearances.
If our goal is to repeat 1976, then, yes, it has been all downhill. But, I would point out that it has been all downhill for every single team in the country, without exception.
Proposition Two: I'm not sure I agree with Upset Alert. For example, there was no BTN from, say, 1960 to 1985 and IUs football team sure played a lot of winning seasons in those years, didn't they? In the meantime, how many IU soccer or swimming championships were aired on BTN?

 

[6th&Dunn]

Sampson is a better coach than either Crean or Miller. Notice how he was taken in immediately by NBA teams when the NCAA suspended him.

We should hire Sampson back, if he would come. No guarantees. It's starting to get to the point where coaches know of and are leery of IU's joke administration and internal politics.

IU will never be an elite program if elite coaches refuse to coach here. End of story. It's time some people in the administration feel the same pain as the fans have for many years now. I kind of like the idea of defenestration, but that will never happen...

 

[victorbear]

Sampson is a better coach than either Crean or Miller. Notice how he was taken in immediately by NBA teams when the NCAA suspended him.

We should hire Sampson back, if he would come. No guarantees. It's starting to get to the point where coaches know of and are leery of IU's joke administration and internal politics.

IU will never be an elite program if elite coaches refuse to coach here. End of story. It's time some people in the administration feel the same pain as the fans have for many years now. I kind of like the idea of defenestration, but that will never happen...

Correcto, you didn't see Crean getting offers from NBA teams did you.

 

[victorbear]

Why is this even a question. NO we should have told the NCAA to go screw off and prove we cheated.

 

[6th&Dunn]

Why is this even a question. NO we should have told the NCAA to go screw off and prove we cheated.

I figured the question was rhetorical, but of course we shouldn't have. This was the first sign that foreigner know-nothing McRobbie and others were in way over their heads. Their foolish naivete and poor decision making irreparably harmed this basketball program and it's an indictment on the fans, alumni, and boosters that they did not see this sooner.

Christ on a cracker, we have computer scientists and political attorneys running the show at this university and athletic department. Pathetic!

 

[abraxis]

Correcto, you didn't see Crean getting offers from NBA teams did you.

Sampson got NBA offers because he was banned from taking any other college offers until just recently.

 

[mobilehoosier]

The whole thing is just sad. I hate not being in the NCAA tourney. All the crazy posts, lack of civility, and total frustration would end if we simply started winning. Let's go Hoosiers! Time to right the ship.
Or as some would say; "the hole thing is sad." "Time to write the ship." DWS!

 

[6th&Dunn]

All the crazy posts, lack of civility, and total frustration would end if we simply started winning.

This is where our fan base unfortunately shows its ignorance.

Each year, 20 of IU's games (fully 2/3 of the schedule) are in the B1G. The B1G has other teams that are trying to win too. They want us to not win, they want to beat us. These teams have good coaches too like Izzo, Beilein, Holtmann, Painter, Turgeon, Pitino, Miles, McCaffery, and Gard. They may not all be elite coaches, but they aren't bad, and without an elite coach at IU then IU will struggle to stay in the top 3 of the conference standings each year. That's where an elite program should be.

IU can't just rely on name recognition. IU needs better coaching and better recruiting than their B1G peers. Right now, we don't have that and we are B1G bottom feeders.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Sampson is a better coach than either Crean or Miller. Notice how he was taken in immediately by NBA teams when the NCAA suspended him.

We should hire Sampson back, if he would come. No guarantees. It's starting to get to the point where coaches know of and are leery of IU's joke administration and internal politics.

IU will never be an elite program if elite coaches refuse to coach here. End of story. It's time some people in the administration feel the same pain as the fans have for many years now. I kind of like the idea of defenestration, but that will never happen...

Sampson is a better prep and game coach than Crean, so was Tark, but I have no interest in him representing my university either. As for AM, I will simply repeat what I have all along...I can make a reasonable and more informed judgement this time next year.

 

[coachv jr]

I figured the question was rhetorical, but of course we shouldn't have. This was the first sign that foreigner know-nothing McRobbie and others were in way over their heads. Their foolish naivete and poor decision making irreparably harmed this basketball program and it's an indictment on the fans, alumni, and boosters that they did not see this sooner.

Christ on a cracker, we have computer scientists and political attorneys running the show at this university and athletic department. Pathetic!

christ on a cracker. i love that. where did you ever get that from? ima steal it

 

[abraxis]

Why is this even a question. NO we should have told the NCAA to go screw off and prove we cheated.

In hindsight, I agree. Our program today couldn’t be in any worse shape than it would be if not reported.

 

[GeddyHoosier]

I wonder what ever became of that intern in the Compliance Dep't who caught Sampson on the phone call thing.

 

[mobilehoosier]

I wonder what ever became of that intern in the Compliance Dep't who caught Sampson on the phone call thing.

Working in Washington DC? VBG!

 

[Crossblock]

Why is this even a question. NO we should have told the NCAA to go screw off and prove we cheated.

No good deed goes unpunished. We need to find out where North Carolina, Louisville, LSU, and others who are or have faced NCAA investigation obtained their legal advice and retain those people.

 

[ufo33]

Should i go to the police station and hand them $200 and tell them to keep the change if i drive 1 mph over the speed limit on the way to work this morning? Oh, and I will call my insurance agent to self report and raise my car insurance while I'm at it, to self punish myself after the self-report. Would that be smart?

 

[IUPaterade724]

Sampson is a better coach than either Crean or Miller. Notice how he was taken in immediately by NBA teams when the NCAA suspended him.

We should hire Sampson back, if he would come. No guarantees. It's starting to get to the point where coaches know of and are leery of IU's joke administration and internal politics.

IU will never be an elite program if elite coaches refuse to coach here. End of story. It's time some people in the administration feel the same pain as the fans have for many years now. I kind of like the idea of defenestration, but that will never happen...

He's a great coach but we should never hire Sampson back. He skirts the rules and brings in questionable players with history of risks. How quick the mind soon forgets the turmoil that he caused.

The culture here was pretty much do want you want, just make C's, and come to practice.

 

[jimmygoiu]

Sampson got NBA offers because he was banned from taking any other college offers until just recently.

Sampson took an awful Houston team to a 3 seed in 3 years.

 

[IUgradman]

Sampson is a better coach than either Crean or Miller. Notice how he was taken in immediately by NBA teams when the NCAA suspended him.

We should hire Sampson back, if he would come. No guarantees. It's starting to get to the point where coaches know of and are leery of IU's joke administration and internal politics.

IU will never be an elite program if elite coaches refuse to coach here. End of story. It's time some people in the administration feel the same pain as the fans have for many years now. I kind of like the idea of defenestration, but that will never happen...

IU doesn’t have a positive reputation amongst coaches as a good place to work. The administration for years refused to provide basic things that mid-major programs have had for awhile. It is only very recently that they have been dragged into the 21st century and there is still a ways to go.

 

[hondo314]

IU doesn’t have a positive reputation amongst coaches as a good place to work. The administration for years refused to provide basic things that mid-major programs have had for awhile. It is only very recently that they have been brough into the 21st century and there is still a ways to go.

you know this from the dozens of d1 coaches you know? lol

ya, you may be right but you don't know why....

 

[jsig]

Sampson got NBA offers because he was banned from taking any other college offers until just recently.

He went to the NBA as an assistant during his ban and proved to be solid for the NBA. He has been in the running for head coaching positions and still draws interest. He seems to want to be in college.

 

[BayernFan]

Has it occurred to anyone that Sampson has turned Houston into a 3 seed in 3 years bc he’s cheating? NTTAWWT

 

[victorbear]

Sampson took an awful Houston team to a 3 seed in 3 years.

And last year almost went to the final four except for a lucky michigan shot.

 

[victorbear]

Has it occurred to anyone that Sampson has turned Houston into a 3 seed in 3 years bc he’s cheating? NTTAWWT

Prove it.

 

[BayernFan]

Prove it.

So It’s ok if It Can’t be proven? I’m not judging. Just wondering what the mindset here is.

 

[DallasHoosier]

He's a great coach but we should never hire Sampson back. He skirts the rules and brings in questionable players with history of risks. How quick the mind soon forgets the turmoil that he caused.

The culture here was pretty much do want you want, just make C's, and come to practice.

Totally agree. If you ever complain about shady dealings at other programs, how could you at the same time desire a winning program no matter the methods? Maybe it isn't a rule now and was a somewhat silly rule all along, but it was the rule and everyone knew it.

I still feel reasonably good about Archie as well. The wheels were certainly shooting off mid-season, but the fact that he was able to pull them back together and make the squad competitive again says a lot. I also like the emphasis he puts on defense. We surely can't always be so bad from the free throw and the three point lines. Also, landing the recruits he has given our recent struggles is commendable. Brighter days are ahead.

 

[victorbear]

So It’s ok if It Can’t be proven? I’m not judging. Just wondering what the mindset here is.

I'm saying just because someone is winning quickly and we can't seem to doesn't mean they are cheating although IU fans love to say this as it gives us another excuse as to why we suck.

 

[abraxis]

Totally agree. If you ever complain about shady dealings at other programs, how could you at the same time desire a winning program no matter the methods? Maybe it isn't a rule now and was a somewhat silly rule all along, but it was the rule and everyone knew it.

I still feel reasonably good about Archie as well. The wheels were certainly shooting off mid-season, but the fact that he was able to pull them back together and make the squad competitive again says a lot. I also like the emphasis he puts on defense. We surely can't always be so bad from the free throw and the three point lines. Also, landing the recruits he has given our recent struggles is commendable. Brighter days are ahead.

I bet “reasonably good” would have been replaced with “good” if Brooks hadn’t spurned Archie’s advances. All we can really do now is wait...wait until next season when it starts all over with a clean slate. The NIT basically means nothing but money.

 

[DallasHoosier]

I bet “reasonably good” would have been replaced with “good” if Brooks hadn’t spurned Archie’s advances. All we can really do now is wait...wait until next season when it starts all over with a clean slate. The NIT basically means nothing but money.

Sure, landing Brooks would've made me feel even better about the direction. I'm not so sure finding a guy that can knock it down from outside and will want to stick around for 4 years won't work out better though.

Agree on the NIT. Not even sure I'll watch (though I probably will).

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

its been downhill ever since. We self reported for making too many phone calls which is now legal. NCAA realized it was a harsh rule.

In the meantime, other schools defend their fake classes, use hookers to recruit, and use shoe companies to entice recruits. In the meantime, Sampson and pearl have their teams as top seeds.

I know it’s a lame excuse as to why we’ve spent years of irrelevancy but makes you wonder what if...

Yes, it was the right call. Everything about IU becomes meaningless if you join the ranks of the cheaters...…. Things happen from time to time in every program, how the program deals with it is what makes it what it is...

Not to mention, the one lesson learned in every scandal is it is usually the cover up that gets you in big trouble. It would have eventually come out, then it would have come out that the administration had knowledge of it and did nothing, then it's a much bigger deal.

With Sampson it doesn't matter that what he did is NOW allowed, it shows he will time and time again go a step too far (whatever the rules are) and eventually get caught.

 

[IUHoopster]

UNC MBB program has developed the precedent and set the primer on how to deal with the NCAA...delay, discuss, and determine minimal malfeasance while always appearing to cooperate

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Should i go to the police station and hand them $200 and tell them to keep the change if i drive 1 mph over the speed limit on the way to work this morning? Oh, and I will call my insurance agent to self report and raise my car insurance while I'm at it, to self punish myself after the self-report. Would that be smart?

It wasn't a couple impermissible calls, it was hundreds of impermissible calls. It wasn't "oh heck, I lost track of how many I was allowed". IU got that one right when they took action.

 

[all4IU]

Sampson's problem was way beyond phone calls, drugs and academics too. He is a good coach and the best after Knight but he was not a fit to Indiana. That ship has sailed. whatever.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

its been downhill ever since. We self reported for making too many phone calls which is now legal. NCAA realized it was a harsh rule.

In the meantime, other schools defend their fake classes, use hookers to recruit, and use shoe companies to entice recruits. In the meantime, Sampson and pearl have their teams as top seeds.

I know it’s a lame excuse as to why we’ve spent years of irrelevancy but makes you wonder what if...

and exactly when did we self report?

when we knew Sampson was skirting the rules again, or right before sending in the phone logs to the NCAA, and the jig was gonna be up anyway?

iirc, some kid at IU was going over the phone logs right before they were to be sent to the NCAA, and noticed the violations.

i question that people at IU didn't know things were amiss previous to that, and then right before possibly getting caught, did the "oh, look what we found. who knew?" thing.

then IU and Sampson fought things in front of the NCAA, only throwing gas on the fire.

not an insider, and numerous yrs ago, so correct me if i miss recall.

i believe more than just texting was at issue also.

iirc, for X period of time Sampson was barred from calling recruits, as part of his probation he brought here with him, so he did end arounds and had the assistants call the recruit, then hand the phone to KS when the kid was on the line.

probably other stuff as well i'm guessing.

 

[victorbear]

UNC MBB program has developed the precedent and set the primer on how to deal with the NCAA...delay, discuss, and determine minimal malfeasance while always appearing to cooperate

Cause they know the NCAA is as corrupt as they are................sharks don't eat other sharks.

 

[IUHoopster]

Cause they know the NCAA is as corrupt as they are................sharks don't eat other sharks.

The NCAA investigative staff is 5-7 individuals tasked with all member institutions. UNC was smart to say “let us conduct our own investigation first”. By doing so, they held them off for at least a year while continuing to obfuscate the issue.

 

[iubud]

its been downhill ever since. We self reported for making too many phone calls which is now legal. NCAA realized it was a harsh rule.

In the meantime, other schools defend their fake classes, use hookers to recruit, and use shoe companies to entice recruits. In the meantime, Sampson and pearl have their teams as top seeds.

I know it’s a lame excuse as to why we’ve spent years of irrelevancy but makes you wonder what if...

If we had ignored it, Sampson might have gotten away with other things. Sampson was/is a liar. He lied to the NCAA which was really bigger than the phone calls he made. He also lied about academic performance. Soon after the first semester, Don Fischer asked him about grades. He gave an answer that everyone did great and there wasn't anyone in trouble. We know that was a lie. Was he going to try to "fix" the grade and academic issues or allow himself to be caught in his lie?

He had to go. His players wouldn't have been able to return. It would have blown up one way or another.