Should IU go all-in every 2 out of 5 years

[Let 'er Fly]

If our annual budget is ~$13mm while the big boys have an annual budget of $20mm+, should teams like IU go "all in" in interval periods. Some years, go w/ a $5-6mm (say for 3 years) budget while going w/ a $23-$24mm budget every 2 out of 5 years. Would this strategy work if you are ok w/o making a bowl game and bottom tier bowl game the majority of the time while going for the CFP (and perhaps deep CFP run) the other 2 years. What say you?

 

[IUFANBB]

If our annual budget is ~$13mm while the big boys have an annual budget of $20mm+, should teams like IU go "all in" in interval periods. Some years, go w/ a $5-6mm (say for 3 years) budget while going w/ a $23-$24mm budget every 2 out of 5 years. Would this strategy work if you are ok w/o making a bowl game and bottom tier bowl game the majority of the time while going for the CFP (and perhaps deep CFP run) the other 2 years. What say you?

Some time ago, I am sure that CCC told IU that we were going to need to spend more up-front on the portal, but tapper off & focus more on recruiting & developing a solid talent base of recruited HS guys in the coming years. IE.. "you can't recruit well if you don't win, so you win the 1st few seasons with more transplants" I see IU continue to dip heavily into the portal for the next 3-4 seasons then tapper down & rely more on HS guys who really know his system. But that is going to take a few years to build up, as last year was a weak class due to multiple factors. So, to develop a year/year base like he had at JMU, it will take 4-5 years @ IU. So, the amount of money spent is irrelevant, as IU will make more on the back-end if we fill the stadium & win a few years in a row. Get an expansion to the stadium & increase capacity - maybe up to 75,000. The success was so immediate & awesome; we need to take a step back & realize that next year is just year 2. To get this were CCC wants it; it will take a few years.

 

[Tammany Hall]

I get the concept, but pulling back and going all-in would cause roster chaos. If a team went from $20M roster spend down to $5M, they would basically have the roster taking a huge pay cut and players would all transfer out and there would be a huge rebuild problem. Then when the team ramps up again to $20M, players would be suspicious of when the bottom is going to fall out again.

In reality, our roster payroll is going to be pretty consistent. Keep in mind that $13M figure is misleading -- that's our estimated collective funding, and that number changes and a lot goes to basketball, etc.

Our FB budget is rev share + NIL. FB rev share is a consistent number and will probably be ~$16M per year (~75% of the $22M rev share) and slowing increasing. Our FB NIL is $5-6M, I don't know exactly and it's fluid. So something like $21-22M total per year for the FB team, hopefully that NIL # continues to tick up.

The big programs will have the similar rev share numbers, but $10-20M NIL. Maybe more I don't know.

So, our annual payroll is pretty consistent, and we want to keep increasing it. Then if we can keep doing well on the field and get players to the NFL, we can get better recruits. Better recruits means more wins/NFL players, and ideally we get an upward spiral. Kinda boring but that's how it would ideally work.

 

[INwheels]

The fact that we're discussing a payroll budget for college athletics just isn't right.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

If our annual budget is ~$13mm while the big boys have an annual budget of $20mm+, should teams like IU go "all in" in interval periods. Some years, go w/ a $5-6mm (say for 3 years) budget while going w/ a $23-$24mm budget every 2 out of 5 years. Would this strategy work if you are ok w/o making a bowl game and bottom tier bowl game the majority of the time while going for the CFP (and perhaps deep CFP run) the other 2 years. What say you?

Right now, I’m at a point where I’m a big fan of rewarding those coaches who demonstrated they can get results out of their budget. There is a certain “department” within the organization that has failed year after year with its budget. Time to divert some funds away from that department toward a better performing department until it can get an effective leader who doesn’t squander said budget.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Right now, I’m at a point where I’m a big fan of rewarding those coaches who demonstrated they can get results out of their budget. There is a certain “department” within the organization that has failed year after year with its budget. Time to divert some funds away from that department toward a better performing department until it can get an effective leader who doesn’t squander said budget.

Hire Elon Musk to fix this BS?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

If our annual budget is ~$13mm while the big boys have an annual budget of $20mm+, should teams like IU go "all in" in interval periods. Some years, go w/ a $5-6mm (say for 3 years) budget while going w/ a $23-$24mm budget every 2 out of 5 years. Would this strategy work if you are ok w/o making a bowl game and bottom tier bowl game the majority of the time while going for the CFP (and perhaps deep CFP run) the other 2 years. What say you?

What Head Coach and staff would want to be a part of this?
I don't care who or where one's fandom lives, it is impossible to stay on top every year. Look at Clemson and Florida for examples. And Stanford. Rich in talent, fan base, recruiting base, money, all of it. Florida State, Syracuse, Nebraska, USC...yet bad years, and bad eras happen.
Looking back a few, I thought Clemson would be top 3-5 every year...what happened at Florida State this year should never happen to Florida State...but it did!
My point is that IMO, IU needs to pour money into football right now, even more than the greatly improved resources and seize this moment, because it will wane so quickly!
Up and down administrative support as you outline would be absolutely the worst strategy imaginable..

 

[mrhighlife]

The fact that we're discussing a payroll budget for college athletics just isn't right.

It's chaotic now. Things will get sorted out and settle down. It's better than the alternative that we had for the past couple decades. It pisses guys like Saban off that little ol Indiana can be equal ground now as the SEC schools.

 

[Tammany Hall]

NIL deals are private, but rev share won't be for public universities. It's going to be interesting when journalists start FOIA's for the rev share contracts and we see what the numbers and terms are.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Saban

You mean Alabama Jones?

I thought this was a fun show!

 

[Tammany Hall]

You mean Alabama Jones?

I thought this was a fun show!

Ha, it was funny to see Shane call out the SEC and Pious Saban on the under the table payments. Nick knows it and he doth protested too much, methinks.

 

[YOTHN]

I think as the tide rises in the 2 big conferences, so will all the ships within them. You are only as strong as your weakest team in your conference so there is value in having all programs maximize their return. I believe people are crossing wires of NIL value vs. what the schools will be allowed to pay student athletes and thinking that is somehow distorting where IU stands. I don't think we are that far off and certainly not far enough off that its insurmountable with good coaching. For example, look at IU basketball. You can throw all the money in the world at a team but if you don't have suitable coaching, you can easily be surpassed.

IU can obtain great talent with what they have today and over a 3-4 year period, the team can develop depth that will be able to compete at the top. Look no further than IU vs OSU and Jeremiah Smith being held to 34yds, his season low. Ignore the pundits that always talk about our ceiling due to talent level, its fabricated BS.

 

[Crossblock]

The fact that we're discussing a payroll budget for college athletics just isn't right.

It may not be right, but it is the status of the beast. As I posted elsewhere, We have now asked Coaches to become General Managers, Salary Cap Specialists, and to play a contorted form of Money Ball. You have Coaches Who are disillusioned Who would like to get back to Coaching and old style recruiting. There are two aspects to this that a lot of people are missing.
1. It isn't just about spending money. it's about spending it wisely. As Cig showed Us, it's about getting Guys with the right attitude and Guys Who can buy into the Team concept, not drama Queens Who are checking the Scoreboard everyday to make sure They are among The highest paid Players in College Football.
2. We are too early in the NIL Game to have seen this yet, but there will eventually be Buyer's Remorse. Businesses are paying Money as part of their marketing budget, with the idea of making Money by Association with Successful Programs. If a program has a losing record for 5 straight years and doesn't get to a bowl game, as a business, You need to re assess your spending. Can You get a bigger bang from Your Marketing Buck doing something else?

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

It may not be right, but it is the status of the beast. As I posted elsewhere, We have now asked Coaches to become General Managers, Salary Cap Specialists, and to play a contorted form of Money Ball. You have Coaches Who are disillusioned Who would like to get back to Coaching and old style recruiting. There are two aspects to this that a lot of people are missing.
1. It isn't just about spending money. it's about spending it wisely. As Cig showed Us, it's about getting Guys with the right attitude and Guys Who can buy into the Team concept, not drama Queens Who are checking the Scoreboard everyday to make sure They are among The highest paid Players in College Football.
2. We are too early in the NIL Game to have seen this yet, but there will eventually be Buyer's Remorse. Businesses are paying Money as part of their marketing budget, with the idea of making Money by Association with Successful Programs. If a program has a losing record for 5 straight years and doesn't get to a bowl game, as a business, You need to re assess your spending. Can You get a bigger bang from Your Marketing Buck doing something else?

Are you suggesting that big dick swingers are eventually going to realize that throwing good $$$ at the Woody shit show is a complete fracking waste?

 

[Crossblock]

Are you suggesting that big dick swingers are eventually going to realize that throwing good $$$ at the Woody shit show is a complete fracking waste?

I'm suggesting that the jock sniffers Who are front runners will reach a point where the novelty of being the first kid on the block to jump in the pool wears off, and They will evaluate based upon their perceived return on investment. I'm also suggesting that Management of Businesses has a duty to Shareholders to maximize the value of their investment, whether that is through Earnings and payment of dividends, or reinvestment of profits of the Company for growth that will be reflected in the stock price.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I'm suggesting that the jock sniffers Who are front runners will reach a point where the novelty of being the first kid on the block to jump in the pool wears off, and They will evaluate based upon their perceived return on investment. I'm also suggesting that Management of Businesses has a duty to Shareholders to maximize the value of their investment, whether that is through Earnings and payment of dividends, or reinvestment of profits of the Company for growth that will be reflected in the stock price.

So we’re saying the same thing