Shopping with Dr. Oz
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This is a glaring example of past situations coming back to bite you in the ass...
This was an ad Oz recorded during the height of the Primary when he was trying to corner the pro-Trump vote. It was really stupid then -(crudite) in an ad to Trump's base? Not only that, but he butchered the name of the market he was supposedly "shopping at"... He called it Wegners, but the name is actually Wegmans...
So today is Fetterman's birthday, and "Wegners" and crudite are trending Nationally all over twitter...
And people all over PA are joining in to help....
Oz was a dumb pick but I think he is at least at his full mental capabilities. Fetterman was looking rough at his appearance the other night after the stroke a few months ago (and his whole shtick is such a lie, he comes from money too.)
Are there any leading Democrats anywhere that Republicans don't claim to have disqualifying health problems ?
Plenty. The guy is showing some after effects of the stroke that almost killed him in May. Sorry that hurts your partisan feelings but facts are facts.
Edit to add: And having this comment on a post about a fancy way to say vegetable tray and using the wrong store name as basically being a disqualifier or a demerit for Oz is kind of ironic.
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When is the last time you personally spoke to Fetterman?
When is the last time you saw something about Fetterman's health on your favorite web sites?
So we are getting this down to personally speaking to someone? Just knock it off with the nonsense. You can compare how he was having trouble catching some words a few nights ago to how he was in his pre-stroke speeches and see that he is still recovering from the stroke. He hasn't been incognito for almost 3 months for nothing. He had a flipping stroke.
I am not even voting in PA so I don't really give all that much of a crap because Oz is not a great candidate either but you are denying reality if you are saying you can't tell Fetterman just had a brain issue in that latest appearance...go Google the full video (I am not doing that work for something you won't watch anyway).
Despite your deflection, your Post No. 7 above claims Oz possesses "his full mental capabilities" while his campaign video shows he can't remember the simple name of the wellknown mega-supermarket he intentionally visited to make the campaign video.
This isn't a case of someone getting surprised with a random question. The video is how Oz chose to present himself! His performance goals must not be very high if he doesn't try any harder than that.
For what it's worth, I don't think either Biden or Trump are yet disabled by old age, though they both show signs of aging. Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi are older than both of them, but I think Sanders and Pelosi clearly have more energy and sharper minds at this point than either Trump or Biden.
I don't care enough about this to keep arguing.
Yep. There were quite a few conservatives in the commentary class who were asking WTF? when Oz was getting pushed. And Fetterman kind of seems like a joke to me. And there is the health issue that we are apparently supposed to look past too.
PA should throw them both in the trash and start over.
I thought you just posted that you didn't care enough about this to keep arguing?
Just how does a state "throw them both in the trash and start over," as you suggested? Similar situations occurred in both 2016 (Trump and Hillary) and in 2020 (Trump and Biden). No one really liked being confined to such weak choices.
The Pennsylvania election will go on. Someone will get elected. One way to improve part of the problem is for Republicans to stop rubberstamping Trump's candidates just because Trump endorsed them.
Trump is just a clown-maker, not a kingmaker. At least the Democrats make their own mistakes when they choose a weak candidate.
I know they can't literally throw them out now. Hyperbole.
And I said I did not care enough to keep arguing with you. I was agreeing with Aloha.
No actually, your exact words are, "I don't care enough about this to keep arguing."
But that's as literally identical as it ever gets for a deflecting Republican, so I'll leave you alone.
Right. He mistakenly combined the PA store's name Redners with the more expensive store which is better known in NJ Wegmans to create Wegners. Fetterman has raised over $500,000 off of the Wegners sticker sales...
I'd say these kind of gaffes along with the fact tat he took a vacation abroad right after the Primary are part of the reason the NRSC has decided to take $$ earmarked for ads for OZ and use it elsewhere. By himself Fetterman got nearly as many Primary votes as Oz and McCormick combined, and all told close to 200,000 more people voted in the Dem than the GOP primary. And that was about a weak after Fetterman's stroke...
So while the race will tighten (probably) Oz just doesn't have any sort of enthusiasm inspiring ability that he would need to come from behind. His campaign never made any sense from the start, and he's ended up trying to promote a position on various issues that is directly opposite from what he said for years on his tv show. The ad where he pretended to skeet shoot and they cut away to make it look like he hit the target was almost as embarrassing as this one. Fetterman has worked really hard to portray Oz as a phony, but he's basically gotten more assistance in that from Oz himself than anyone could have anticipated...
Fetterman is an interesting kind of dem. He clearly has progressive interests, especially being extremely strong pro working class while not going too far on other social justice issues.
He has some Jessie Ventura energy. Not only in his physical stature but Jessie was the hometown hero, blue collar/blue blooded Minnesotan everyman who joined the reform party and picked on 'the establishment' and 'the elites'.
Fetterman has tapped into that vibe and it's not a bad spot. He doesn't offend the moderate dems and he doesn't offend the left dems.
Going against Oz plays into his wheelhouse message of he's a true, blue collar Pennsylvanian and Oz is a phoney millionaire trying to pretend that he's working class.
I'd be shocked if Fetterman doesn't win easily.
Speaking of Jessie, I voted for him for governor back in 97/98ish. He was a Perot guy (I was a big Perot guy) and I was like wtf, he's probably not winning (I can't remember but his opponent was a big name Minnesotan politician...a Humphrey or a Mondale I think).
I got home and went 'oh shit, what have I done??!!'
Anyway, Jessie was actually a really good governor. Sure he clashed with the media and said some crazy stuff at the time like legalizing all drugs and prostitution.
But he also updated our infrastructure (built a light rail system) and was ranked 10th by a political history teacher I trust (Mr. Beat) as his top ten most underrated governors of all time.
Jessie had a great line when it came to legalizing marijuana.
'I know alcoholics and stoners. I know several alcoholics that have beaten their wives and kids. I don't know any stoners who have'.
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That’s all true and fine but the truth is that PA voters are left with garbage choices. Fetterman is an absentee candidate - who while intelligent - is someone who’s never done anything real and he’s lived off of daddy.
If it’s more important to you - a non-PA resident to vote against a guy that doesn’t hail from PA and is confused over which store he’s in - that’s fine. But it’s just borne out of partisan hackery. They’re both smart guys - and that’s where the comparison stops. They both suck.
My God TommyC don't do this. Fetterman's a clown. A man child. Working silly jobs that felt good but were never intended to be real jobs and having his parents pay for it. Please don't ever compare a child like that to Jesse "I Aint Got Time To Bleed" "The Body" Ventura. A decorated Vietnam war hero who lost to Hulk Hogan back to back to back in absolutely brutal fashion, yet got himself up off the mat despite debilitating blood clots caused by the physical trauma he endured fighting Hulk Hogan, or agent orange in Vietnam, doesn't matter, he had them. And despite all that he STILL came back and teamed up with Roddy Roddy Piper to beat Uncle Elmer and Cousin Luke. He knew the risks involved but he did it for us. Jesse has been representing us his entire adult life. Moving forward let's not include FetterChild in conversations with Sergeant Blain Cooper. It's insulting.
And don't forget. When he went into politics he beat the democrats AND the republicans.
Thank you
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Fetterman isn’t a super loon progressive but he doesn’t resemble Jesse Ventura. Ventura is a self made man who has been through amazing and difficult things and Fetterman is sponsored by his family like a Trump kid.
The attempt to portray Fetterman as a freeloader is such a monumental error in judgement. He's running for a Senate seat against a man who sacrificed monetary gain to work as a Mayor for $150/month while also working full time as the towns director of youth activities.
It's like he never even looked into Fetterman's bio, and has no idea that people might genuinely respect someone who has shown a willing ness to work as a public servant and do his part to make the lives of ordinary citizens better.
Anyone that has a stroke is going to have somewhat of a recovery period, and Fetterman actually sounds pretty good. The key is what caused the stroke, how the stroke affected him and what are any long term health concerns...
In Fetterman's case there are no underlying health concerns related to the brain or structural damage to the heart. He had an episode of atrial fibrillation that affected blood flow, but that did not result in any structural damage, like the kind of heart muscle deterioration I suffered when I had my heart attack and delayed getting to the hospital. My mom had atrial fibrillation develop when she was 88 and after an ablation and with medication she's now 91 and only needs to see her cardiologist on a six month basis...
I've had the same ICD device that Fetterman had implanted this summer since 2012, and they just informed me yesterday that I still have about 20 months left before I have to go in and have the batteries changed. The device is basically a pacemaker that is designed to restart your heart if some sort of electrical issue causes you to slip into a dangerous rhythm that could cause your heart to stop.
It's like the young, usually healthy athletes (like Hank Gathers) that just suddenly have their heart stop on the court and they rush to resuscitate them using an external defibrillating device. In my case (and Fetterman's) the defibrillator is implanted, so it's designed to kick start your heart if it stops.
Many people can't even walk or speak for weeks/months following a stroke, so obviously Fetterman has been able to make a pretty rapid recovery. But he was in much better health when he had his stroke, than I was when I had my ICD implanted, and I'll have had it for 10 yrs next month and (thankfully) it's never discharged. If he was going to try and play football it might present issues, but he really isn't in any worse health than a lot of folks in Congress who have underlying health issues.
And I would have loved to continue playing pro soccer for peanuts and working with disadvantaged youth. But it didn't pay enough and asking my parents to pay for their adult son to do jobs he wants would have never crossed my mind. He got someone else to pay for his life. Perfect progressive
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Monumental error in judgement? What are you talking about? Is he or is he not a guy that has zero business, legal or practical experience that relies on his parents for financial sustainability? You’re so blinded by partisanship that you’ve twisted an unfortunate truth into a badge of honor.
We need citizens that resemble our Founding Fathers (albeit not from a diversity perspective) - educated citizens who had/have REAL JOBS and EXPERIENCE to govern as our elected representatives. We need less public policy majors and career politicians.
We should strongly look at making elected officialdom into a part time job so we get real people with real experiences.
I'd say that Fetterman is more intelligent than Ventura, having both an MBA and MPP, but that's a subjective view.
I also think that what separates him from the Trump kids in terms of being "sponsored" is that the two boys at least always just worked in the family business, and I don't think either of them were forced to start at the bottom level, but instead were in managerial positions from the outset...
Fetterman came from the same background and in fact his study for his MBA at UCONN was predicated on the belief that he would graduate and assume a role in the family business, just like the Trumpsters. But he had a very close friend die while he was at UCONN, and it made him reflect on his life and it's purpose. He got involved with Big Brothers, and started working with urban youth in a GED prep program... I believe the primary kid he was a big Brother to was a kid who lost his father to AIDS... All of that predated any involvement in politics...
Those were voluntary, spare time pursuits while he worked with his MBA in the insurance field. But at some point he decided that he was more interested in the public policy interests than working in the family business and he applied and was accepted to Harvard's Kennedy school to pursue his MPP. After graduating he ended up in Braddock and made it his mission to try and restore the town. He ran for Mayor which was a part time $150/ month position, and also worked as director of the town's youth services program.
Clearly he wasn't lazy and clearly he could have made more money working in other fields he was qualified to work in. But he chose to work in what were low paying positions that allowed him to try and improve the life of the people of Braddock. I'm not sure that means he was "sponsored" by his family. He bought a historic church building, lived in the basement while it was renovated and then donated it to the town to use as the youth community center.
He was involved in a lot of renovation projects and fundraising to preserve many of the once booming steel town's buildings and historic properties. Somebody had to occupy the roles of part time Mayor and full time youth services director- it's not like there was a lot of money to be made or fame involved in filling either role...
Even after being elected Lt Governor in 2018, he continued to live in the same place he had lived in as Mayor of Braddock and never moved to the official state quarters in Harrisburg. So he's basically been operating the same as an elected statewide official and campaigning the way he always did in Braddock in his Senate race.
Why wouldn't voters in PA identify positively with him? He travels around in the same pickup truck thru out PA that he campaigned in to win the Dem nomination for Lt Gov in 2018. There were more established candidates, but he was the one who travelled to every single county and ended up winni9ng the nomination by a landslide. In PA LT Governors have to actually win the nomination, not just be chosen by the Gubernatorial nominee...
His Primary opponent this year Rep Connor Lamb was my choice because he had won in a purple district in 2018 and I thought he was more electable. Lamb is a decorated Military vet who won the seat in 2018 vs Trump's guy by 13%. I liked Fetterman personally, but I wasn't sure he was electable because he is fairly progressive...
But I was wrong. Dem voters preferred Fetterman to Lamb overwhelmingly as of out of about 1.2 million votes split 3 ways, Fetterman got over 700,000 and won every single county. For comparison Oz and McCormick both got around 400,000 each. I was also worried about the stroke, since it was only about two weeks prior to the Primary.
But Fetterman had run such a brilliant campaign and was already so popular that had it been a jungle primary he'd have still been the top vote getter, close to singlehandedly surpassing the totals of Oz and McCormick combined. I do think McCormick would have given Fetterman a much closer race, but the enthusiasm for Oz just isn't there...
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I think you’re a logical person but you’re also being a bit naive (and I am not trying to mean that in a disrespectful / insulting way).
Lamb is not a “decorated” veteran. He was a lawyer in the military. All soldiers/marines get medals from time to time. He’s not a decorated veteran with combat experience. Deploying to a combat zone to sit in a FOB is not the same as going out on patrol and raids.
If Fetterman was a farmer or a bricklayer or a plumber or a coder that drove the same pickup truck around and was tired of “the man” and wanted to rep PA - that could impress PA voters. A guy who has never had any real world experiences aligned with PA workers - be they blue or white collar - is not someone I want representing me. To be fair, nor is Oz.
I have an MBA from a top b-school. Based on many of my classmates - hey maybe me included - it doesn’t automatically mean we should assume that a grad is intelligent.
He worked jobs that are volunteer or part time gigs and had his parents support him well into his 40s. He apparently bought the loft he lived in from his sister for a $1. Normal people go to work and support themselves and volunteer for the shit he did, not try to get someone else to subsidize his life. He's a progressive so you love him and overlook all the weird shit with this guy. Simple as that. He's a horrible candidate for the country. And so is oz.
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I don’t know that he or Oz are horrible l, given that there are far worse candidates out there. But we are certainly directionally aligned.
Yes, the vast majority of the population works their collective asses off and deserves someone that can relate to them. We need to get back to having both white and blue collar candidates from practical and diverse backgrounds.
Give me a Dr. Dre over a Harvard MPP. Give me a Dan Crenshaw over a silver-spoon a-hole.
"We need citizens that resemble our Founding Fathers (albeit not from a diversity perspective) - educated citizens who had/have REAL JOBS and EXPERIENCE to govern as our elected representatives. We need less public policy majors and career politicians."
He's been the elected Lt Governor of PA for 4 yrs, and prior to that was the Mayor of Braddock for 13. How is that not only experience in not only governing, but also more experience than any other candidate for either Party that ran against him?
Oz was a tv host and McCormick was a hedge fund manager. Not sure why you'd claim either had more experience than the current Lt Governor? Maybe you could make a case for Lamb, who won the Congressional seat in 2018 was a war vet and had prior business experience. But although he was my initial choice, he didn't excite Dem voters the way Fetterman did, to the tune of 700,000 vs 300,000 vote totals.
Again Fetterman worked (with an MBA) in the insurance industry prior to going back to school for his MPP. He was a risk management underwriter at the same time as working with AmeriCorps in Pittsburgh helping students prepare for the GED. That is a large part of what I did in Germany, and I even travelled to Turkey for a 3 month period in 1980-81 to teach basic skills on American Military bases. He was originally sent to Braddock by AmeriCorps, and ended up relocating and moving there in 2004. I think he first ran for Mayor in 2006...
I actually think Fetterman is the type of non-Elite citizen educator/public servant that the Founding Fathers envisioned serving in political roles. He clearly didn't become Mayor of Braddock to earn a huge paycheck. I see it as assuming roles that he could which needed to be filled, but for whatever reason nobody else really wanted to do. He could easily have had a very comfortable life working in his family's business, but you seem to resent the fact that he chose a more altruistic path. I don't get it?
Relatability is it imo. I don't know how or what can be done to improve our candidates. It feels like we're in a rut of goofball progressives who want the world to subsidize their lives, billionaires and celebs, or faux militia wannabes. Where are the normal people
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How is being a career politician relatable to the constituency? Answer that very simple question. It’s very very simple.
No one is saying Fetterman is a bad person. Quite the opposite. But being a good person doesn’t make one a good candidate for US Senate.
And I fully dismiss your comment that he’s the type the FF would’ve wanted. None of the FF were career politicians.
No it's not altruism that's the issue. Altruism and volunteerism are wonderful. It's having someone else subsidize his choices. It's a pattern that we don't need in gov. I worked many years ago with a rich broker at the united way. He was in his mid 50s, made a ton of money, and went to work in allocations at united way. That's a different type of guy than fetterchild
I don't know if this post was all or partially TIC, but I don't think Ventura ever saw combat in Vietnam. If I recall correctly, that was part of the heat between he & Chris Kyle.
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