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No it's not altruism that's the issue. Altruism and volunteerism are wonderful. It's having someone else subsidize his choices. It's a pattern that we don't need in gov. I worked many years ago with a rich broker at the united way. He was in his mid 50s, made a ton of money, and went to work in allocations at united way. That's a different type of guy than fetterchild
You keep saying his family subsidized him, but it's unclear exactly what that entailed. I saw that he bought a building from his sister for a token amount, but that's something I see often in families. Oz mentioned a $50,000 loan from his dad in 2015, but I'm not sure Oz who was given huge amounts by his wife's family should open a $50,000 can of worms.

Fetterman went to school on a football schollie, so it doesn't seem like his parents paid for it like millions of families do. People buy their kids houses, cars etc... all the time. Every family has their own dynamics, but you seem inordinately concerned with those of the Fettermans. It's not like he was laying around collecting welfare he worked two jobs and basically devoted himself to trying to make lives of people in the city better...

So in your mind that makes him somehow less of a public servant than a Mayor who makes 2 or $ 300,000/ a year? It's the same job, he just got involved with and decided to lend his talents to helping an economically distressed town that couldn't afford to pay an exorbitant salary, rather than various cities that could.

AmeriCorps sent him to Braddock to be their rep in 2001, he decided to move there in 2004 and ran for Mayor in 2006. I see all of that flowing from the promise he made to the mother of the Big Brother child in Pitt whose parents both died of AIDS that he would continue to find ways to contribute to the public good. If he was able to do that because of his family's wealth, and contribute more to society as a whole by doing that rather than working in his family's business-I just don't see a negative there.

There are people in Congress whose own family speak out and urge people not to vote for them. I haven't seen anything where Fetterman's family has claimed he is a liar or horrible person. I don't see any claims from his parents that he never paid them back or any bitterness that claims he took advantage of them.

He's been Lt Governor for 4 yrs, so I imagine he's paid them back whatever amount they deem he owed them. That's just opposition research anyway, so we really have no actual idea how any of that played out in reality. I get that you don't like his policy positions, but the rest just seems pretty petty.

I worked for 16 yrs in providing direct services for people with Special needs, and you would not believe some of what that entailed on a nearly daily basis. To say we were underpaid at $8- $13/ hr is an understatement, and I worked usually 60-70 hrs a week to get the time and a half because otherwise I basically made nothing. The entire field is notoriously understaffed because a lot of people just can't handle it But as Noodle and others will likely attest, it's a field which provides services to people who desperately need them...
How is being a career politician relatable to the constituency? Answer that very simple question. It’s very very simple.

No one is saying Fetterman is a bad person. Quite the opposite. But being a good person doesn’t make one a good candidate for US Senate.

And I fully dismiss your comment that he’s the type the FF would’ve wanted. None of the FF were career politicians.
How is Fetterman a "career politician? He was a part time Mayor while working full time as the town's youth services director for 13 yrs. He's held elected state office for 4 whole years...

One way I'd say he was relatable was that he took a town with a notoriously high murder rate that was plagued by violence to a low of like 9 murders over the 13 yr period he served as Mayor .He worked to improve police-community relations, and he handed some administrative tasks that had been stripped from the Chief of Police, back to the Police Chief.

It wasn't all peaches and cream, and there seemed to be some tensions inherent in having a white Mayor in a predominantly Black town. But it appears his political base was a result of his work with the town's youth and the loyalty that inspired. He did a ton of fundraising, one example being his ability to secure a $400,000 grant from the Heinz Foundation which resulted in the creation of summer jobs for 100 kids.

I do think that has given him some valuable experience in dealing with people from the role of an elected official. But I just don't get labelling him a "career politician"? What legitimate candidate for office in 2022 who isn't some sort of Q freak fits your definition of other than a career politician?

Who am I missing, that isn't a complete loon, like Kari Lake or the Q guy in Ohio that painted his field in Trump's likeness? I think Fetterman fits the bill of having actual relevant experience, without being a "career politician...

I just think all of these issues have been previously fleshed out when he lost in the 2016 Senate Primary as a virtual unknown, won the Lt Gov Primary and general in 2018 and now has demolished the other candidates in the 2022 Senate Primary...He finished 3rd with 307,000 votes in the 2016 Dem Primary. He more than doubled that and demolished the field this year...It seems like a lot of people in PA feel they can relate to him...
 
You keep saying his family subsidized him, but it's unclear exactly what that entailed. I saw that he bought a building from his sister for a token amount, but that's something I see often in families. Oz mentioned a $50,000 loan from his dad in 2015, but I'm not sure Oz who was given huge amounts by his wife's family should open a $50,000 can of worms.

Fetterman went to school on a football schollie, so it doesn't seem like his parents paid for it like millions of families do. People buy their kids houses, cars etc... all the time. Every family has their own dynamics, but you seem inordinately concerned with those of the Fettermans. It's not like he was laying around collecting welfare he worked two jobs and basically devoted himself to trying to make lives of people in the city better...

So in your mind that makes him somehow less of a public servant than a Mayor who makes 2 or $ 300,000/ a year? It's the same job, he just got involved with and decided to lend his talents to helping an economically distressed town that couldn't afford to pay an exorbitant salary, rather than various cities that could.

AmeriCorps sent him to Braddock to be their rep in 2001, he decided to move there in 2004 and ran for Mayor in 2006. I see all of that flowing from the promise he made to the mother of the Big Brother child in Pitt whose parents both died of AIDS that he would continue to find ways to contribute to the public good. If he was able to do that because of his family's wealth, and contribute more to society as a whole by doing that rather than working in his family's business-I just don't see a negative there.

There are people in Congress whose own family speak out and urge people not to vote for them. I haven't seen anything where Fetterman's family has claimed he is a liar or horrible person. I don't see any claims from his parents that he never paid them back or any bitterness that claims he took advantage of them.

He's been Lt Governor for 4 yrs, so I imagine he's paid them back whatever amount they deem he owed them. That's just opposition research anyway, so we really have no actual idea how any of that played out in reality. I get that you don't like his policy positions, but the rest just seems pretty petty.

I worked for 16 yrs in providing direct services for people with Special needs, and you would not believe some of what that entailed on a nearly daily basis. To say we were underpaid at $8- $13/ hr is an understatement, and I worked usually 60-70 hrs a week to get the time and a half because otherwise I basically made nothing. The entire field is notoriously understaffed because a lot of people just can't handle it But as Noodle and others will likely attest, it's a field which provides services to people who desperately need them...

How is Fetterman a "career politician? He was a part time Mayor while working full time as the town's youth services director for 13 yrs. He's held elected state office for 4 whole years...

One way I'd say he was relatable was that he took a town with a notoriously high murder rate that was plagued by violence to a low of like 9 murders over the 13 yr period he served as Mayor .He worked to improve police-community relations, and he handed some administrative tasks that had been stripped from the Chief of Police, back to the Police Chief.

It wasn't all peaches and cream, and there seemed to be some tensions inherent in having a white Mayor in a predominantly Black town. But it appears his political base was a result of his work with the town's youth and the loyalty that inspired. He did a ton of fundraising, one example being his ability to secure a $400,000 grant from the Heinz Foundation which resulted in the creation of summer jobs for 100 kids.

I do think that has given him some valuable experience in dealing with people from the role of an elected official. But I just don't get labelling him a "career politician"? What legitimate candidate for office in 2022 who isn't some sort of Q freak fits your definition of other than a career politician?

Who am I missing, that isn't a complete loon, like Kari Lake or the Q guy in Ohio that painted his field in Trump's likeness? I think Fetterman fits the bill of having actual relevant experience, without being a "career politician...

I just think all of these issues have been previously fleshed out when he lost in the 2016 Senate Primary as a virtual unknown, won the Lt Gov Primary and general in 2018 and now has demolished the other candidates in the 2022 Senate Primary...He finished 3rd with 307,000 votes in the 2016 Dem Primary. He more than doubled that and demolished the field this year...It seems like a lot of people in PA feel they can relate to him...
You are incapable of having a conversation without a whatabout. So for that reason - I’m out.
 
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You keep saying his family subsidized him, but it's unclear exactly what that entailed. I saw that he bought a building from his sister for a token amount, but that's something I see often in families. Oz mentioned a $50,000 loan from his dad in 2015, but I'm not sure Oz who was given huge amounts by his wife's family should open a $50,000 can of worms.

Fetterman went to school on a football schollie, so it doesn't seem like his parents paid for it like millions of families do. People buy their kids houses, cars etc... all the time. Every family has their own dynamics, but you seem inordinately concerned with those of the Fettermans. It's not like he was laying around collecting welfare he worked two jobs and basically devoted himself to trying to make lives of people in the city better...

So in your mind that makes him somehow less of a public servant than a Mayor who makes 2 or $ 300,000/ a year? It's the same job, he just got involved with and decided to lend his talents to helping an economically distressed town that couldn't afford to pay an exorbitant salary, rather than various cities that could.

AmeriCorps sent him to Braddock to be their rep in 2001, he decided to move there in 2004 and ran for Mayor in 2006. I see all of that flowing from the promise he made to the mother of the Big Brother child in Pitt whose parents both died of AIDS that he would continue to find ways to contribute to the public good. If he was able to do that because of his family's wealth, and contribute more to society as a whole by doing that rather than working in his family's business-I just don't see a negative there.

There are people in Congress whose own family speak out and urge people not to vote for them. I haven't seen anything where Fetterman's family has claimed he is a liar or horrible person. I don't see any claims from his parents that he never paid them back or any bitterness that claims he took advantage of them.

He's been Lt Governor for 4 yrs, so I imagine he's paid them back whatever amount they deem he owed them. That's just opposition research anyway, so we really have no actual idea how any of that played out in reality. I get that you don't like his policy positions, but the rest just seems pretty petty.

I worked for 16 yrs in providing direct services for people with Special needs, and you would not believe some of what that entailed on a nearly daily basis. To say we were underpaid at $8- $13/ hr is an understatement, and I worked usually 60-70 hrs a week to get the time and a half because otherwise I basically made nothing. The entire field is notoriously understaffed because a lot of people just can't handle it But as Noodle and others will likely attest, it's a field which provides services to people who desperately need them...

How is Fetterman a "career politician? He was a part time Mayor while working full time as the town's youth services director for 13 yrs. He's held elected state office for 4 whole years...

One way I'd say he was relatable was that he took a town with a notoriously high murder rate that was plagued by violence to a low of like 9 murders over the 13 yr period he served as Mayor .He worked to improve police-community relations, and he handed some administrative tasks that had been stripped from the Chief of Police, back to the Police Chief.

It wasn't all peaches and cream, and there seemed to be some tensions inherent in having a white Mayor in a predominantly Black town. But it appears his political base was a result of his work with the town's youth and the loyalty that inspired. He did a ton of fundraising, one example being his ability to secure a $400,000 grant from the Heinz Foundation which resulted in the creation of summer jobs for 100 kids.

I do think that has given him some valuable experience in dealing with people from the role of an elected official. But I just don't get labelling him a "career politician"? What legitimate candidate for office in 2022 who isn't some sort of Q freak fits your definition of other than a career politician?

Who am I missing, that isn't a complete loon, like Kari Lake or the Q guy in Ohio that painted his field in Trump's likeness? I think Fetterman fits the bill of having actual relevant experience, without being a "career politician...

I just think all of these issues have been previously fleshed out when he lost in the 2016 Senate Primary as a virtual unknown, won the Lt Gov Primary and general in 2018 and now has demolished the other candidates in the 2022 Senate Primary...He finished 3rd with 307,000 votes in the 2016 Dem Primary. He more than doubled that and demolished the field this year...It seems like a lot of people in PA feel they can relate to him...
cosmic i'm not reading all that. i think you're exceptionally partisan with zero objectivity and if you posted in reader's digest version i'd read it but with you i'm just not. it's too long to get to fetterman is great because he's a lefty and republicans are evil
 
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cosmic i'm not reading all that. i think you're exceptionally partisan with zero objectivity and if you posted in reader's digest version i'd read it but with you i'm just not. it's too long to get to fetterman is great because he's a lefty and republicans are evil
Yeah I mean I’m agreeing that Fetterman is a good guy and has had a noble life. That alone is not what we need from a US Senator. I need someone that has toiled in the courtroom or at war or at the board table or at the factory and has real world economic and law experience.

He can’t discuss that and instead has to point to Lake or the like. I’m out.
 
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Yeah I mean I’m agreeing that Fetterman is a good guy and has had a noble life. That alone is not what we need from a US Senator. I need someone that has toiled in the courtroom or at war or at the board table or at the factory and has real world economic and law experience.

He can’t discuss that and instead has to point to Lake or the like. I’m out.
There's no point ever discussing politics with cosmic to be honest. he's hyper partisan and unrelenting on it. And i know he comes from a good place and his heart is in the right spot
 
My God TommyC don't do this. Fetterman's a clown. A man child. Working silly jobs that felt good but were never intended to be real jobs and having his parents pay for it. Please don't ever compare a child like that to Jesse "I Aint Got Time To Bleed" "The Body" Ventura. A decorated Vietnam war hero who lost to Hulk Hogan back to back to back in absolutely brutal fashion, yet got himself up off the mat despite debilitating blood clots caused by the physical trauma he endured fighting Hulk Hogan, or agent orange in Vietnam, doesn't matter, he had them. And despite all that he STILL came back and teamed up with Roddy Roddy Piper to beat Uncle Elmer and Cousin Luke. He knew the risks involved but he did it for us. Jesse has been representing us his entire adult life. Moving forward let's not include FetterChild in conversations with Sergeant Blain Cooper. It's insulting.

And don't forget. When he went into politics he beat the democrats AND the republicans.

Thank you
That's pretty good.

Once when I was at a Twolves game back in the Marbury/Garnett days Ventura was introduced before tip off as the Guuuv.

The spotlight went to the top of the Target center and he, dressed in full camouflage, proceeded to rappel down from the top of the arena to mid court.

That's our gov. Lol

He was the king of trying to rid the area of everyday annoying things.

He turned off all the exit ramp lights for a couple of months (unfortunately it turned out they do serve a purpose and regulate traffic better to my chagrin...but he tried). He put in a bunch of roundabouts in place of annoying four way stops, He got rid of catalytic converter stations that were super annoying and expensive.

He actually was pretty good and ranks pretty well historically. Like I said sure he said some crazy stuff publicly but he was pretty humble, he didn't lie and he didn't demonize pubs or dems. He was basically a giant hippie. A true libertarian imo (not this tea party, religious conservative in sheep's clothing today).

He wanted less government and more individual freedoms while wanting to help those who are struggling in the community (particularly struggling vets). He argued for a universal health care system.

The local rock station used to do a 'Deep Thibking w/Jessie Ventura' bit that was pretty funny if you liked Jessie. It culminated when Jessie actually did one.

Here's a good example.

 
That's pretty good.

Once when I was at a Twolves game back in the Marbury/Garnett days Ventura was introduced before tip off as the Guuuv.

The spotlight went to the top of the Target center and he, dressed in full camouflage, proceeded to rappel down from the top of the arena to mid court.

That's our gov. Lol

He was the king of trying to rid the area of everyday annoying things.

He turned off all the exit ramp lights for a couple of months (unfortunately it turned out they do serve a purpose and regulate traffic better to my chagrin...but he tried). He put in a bunch of roundabouts in place of annoying four way stops, He got rid of catalytic converter stations that were super annoying and expensive.

He actually was pretty good and ranks pretty well historically. Like I said sure he said some crazy stuff publicly but he was pretty humble, he didn't lie and he didn't demonize pubs or dems. He was basically a giant hippie. A true libertarian imo (not this tea party, religious conservative in sheep's clothing today).

He wanted less government and more individual freedoms while wanting to help those who are struggling in the community (particularly struggling vets). He argued for a universal health care system.

The local rock station used to do a 'Deep Thibking w/Jessie Ventura' bit that was pretty funny if you liked Jessie. It culminated when Jessie actually did one.

Here's a good example.

I love this post
 
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Tell the truth, @INRanger27 and @mcmurtry66 , you guys wouldn't be so all fired up about Fetterman if he didn't shave his head, did shave his chin, and wore polo shirts and sports jackets.
 
Tell the truth, @INRanger27 and @mcmurtry66 , you guys wouldn't be so all fired up about Fetterman if he didn't shave his head, did shave his chin, and wore polo shirts and sports jackets.
Negative. I like nailpounders. I don't care for his appearance but it's certainly not disqualifying. i think if you are representing the united states you should dress the part. but again not a big deal. having his parents take care of him into middle age so he can work jobs he wants that probably aren't intended to be full time jobs while pushing a progressive agenda where one group pays for the other is disqualifying
 
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In an effort to help Oz figure out where he is shopping, Wegmans has banned plastic bags from its stores.


So if Oz is able to put his crudite in a plastic bag then he will know he isn't at Wegmans.

Kudos to Wegmans for helping our dementia politician hopefuls. lmao
 
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