Totally.
Also, once bullets start flying how are the police going to know who the "good guy" is?
Shooting at Greenwood Mall
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Also, once bullets start flying how are the police going to know who the "good guy" is?
Hey, now. After the Right blamed Biden for singlehandedly causing gas prices to rise up $4.90+ per gallon, it appears Biden has singlehandedly caused gas prices to drop down to $4.35 (even lower in Florida).
Can someone please post a link in which the Republican right gives Biden credit for lowering the gas prices? (I woukd not recommend that anybody hold his breath for such an announcement.)
You seem like the kind of guy that would thank someone for helping you up after knocking you out..
Thanks for your baseless meaningless accusation. You do an excellent you.
Actually it was not baseless but deduced from your assertion that Biden deserves credit for being at the helm while prices are at their worst & then coming down slightly from an all-time high. Like my analogy.🙂
Pubs and Wall St owned Dems, (which the spin machine refers to as "moderate" Dems), are 100% to blame for the non competitive oil/gas industry to price gas far above what even the monopolistic price of oil would otherwise dictate anything even remotely close to, in a "competitive" economic setting.
and yet neither the idiot Pub voters nor the idiot Wall St owned Dems voters ever figure it out.
EVER!
Maybe if a guy who bought two rifles and a handgun and mega ammo for both had paid his rent instead of wasting money on guns, he might not have found himself in such dire straits. And btw, he "lost" his job, because he quit. Still want to stick to your pathetic attempt at trolling?
lol. So Opec and Opec plus have zero control over oil? They have 85% of the market by the way. The US will never be able to overcome that…ever.Pubs and Wall St owned Dems, (which the spin machine refers to as "moderate" Dems), are 100% to blame for the non competitive oil/gas industry to price gas far above what even the monopolistic price of oil would otherwise dictate anything even remotely close to, in a "competitive" economic setting.
and yet neither the idiot Pub voters nor the idiot Wall St owned Dems voters ever figure it out.
EVER!
How do you feel about the JR-15?
This really shouldn't be so difficult for you to comprehend. You're not on the level of some on the right. At least not usually...
Again assuming the kid purchased his two rifles and his handgun legally (at 20 mind you)... Indiana law basically gives carte blanche to anyone 18 or older to either open carry or conceal a hand gun. The mantra is we don't want to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens...
Now unless it comes out that our goofy looking Mr Sapirman is some sort of convicted felon, then by Indiana law he was able to legally enter the mall with his handgun concealed on his person and his rifle hidden in his backpack. Both he and the man who shot him were basically "good guys with a gun" according to what is legal in Indiana. That status did NOT change, until Sapirman shot his weapon at someone else...
It's only when Sapirman turned his weapon on others that he transforms from being a good guy to a bad guy. My guess is you are in favor of 18 yr olds being able to buy weapons and conceal/open carry them with no strings attached, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. My preference is that people have to be at least 25 to buy guns and they should have to prove they deserve to own one, but that's just my preference...
Aside from the fact that I made no such claim my use of red state and 20 yr old should have alerted you to the fact that i have a specific point about those 2 aspects of the case...Yep those people in the blue states don't kill anyone.
Here's a riddle... What do MS,LA KY, AL,MO SC , NM, GA,AR, and TN all have in common.? They are all (save NM) Southern, they are all (except GA and NM) states that voted for Trump and every state except for NM has a GOP controlled Legislature. They also all have the highest murder rates per capita of all 50 states, in the order listed...As usual poor MS can only be at the top of negative lists...
They also (except for NM) allow unrestricted carry and again (except for NM) have some of the most lax gun laws in the country. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's likely that with firearms being more difficult to purchase in NM, that a lot of guns used to kill in NM come from neighboring states like Texas, AZ and Oklahoma. But I'd have to delve into the stats deeper to be able to confirm my supposition...
I doubt the people who put this page together and went to all the trouble to color code the map were looking to highlight the states with the worst murder rate. But notice how the bright green cuts a wide swath directly thru the heart of Trump country, and apart from extreme north New England where gun violence is not a huge issue, the only two Biden carried states are GA and AZ which both had GOP Legislators and Governors.
And more on those 10 top murder rate states and their gun policies...
There's also this 2017 Stanford study which tracked an increase in violent crime in various states over the decade following their enactment of open carry laws...
Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states
Stanford Law School Professor John Donohue found that states that adopted right-to-carry laws have experienced a 13 to 15 percent increase in violent crime in the 10 years after enacting those laws.
news.stanford.edu
One of what will no doubt be many left behind in Biden’s America, with out of control inflation, record gas prices, supply chain shortages, & on & on…but you keep pumping out that propaganda Cosmicbot.🤣🤣🤣
Have you found the definition for “normal”?How do you feel about the JR-15?
This really shouldn't be so difficult for you to comprehend. You're not on the level of some on the right. At least not usually...
Again assuming the kid purchased his two rifles and his handgun legally (at 20 mind you)... Indiana law basically gives carte blanche to anyone 18 or older to either open carry or conceal a hand gun. The mantra is we don't want to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens...
Now unless it comes out that our goofy looking Mr Sapirman is some sort of convicted felon, then by Indiana law he was able to legally enter the mall with his handgun concealed on his person and his rifle hidden in his backpack. Both he and the man who shot him were basically "good guys with a gun" according to what is legal in Indiana. That status did NOT change, until Sapirman shot his weapon at someone else...
It's only when Sapirman turned his weapon on others that he transforms from being a good guy to a bad guy. My guess is you are in favor of 18 yr olds being able to buy weapons and conceal/open carry them with no strings attached, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. My preference is that people have to be at least 25 to buy guns and they should have to prove they deserve to own one, but that's just my preference...
Aside from the fact that I made no such claim my use of red state and 20 yr old should have alerted you to the fact that i have a specific point about those 2 aspects of the case...
Here's a riddle... What do MS,LA KY, AL,MO SC , NM, GA,AR, and TN all have in common.? They are all (save NM) Southern, they are all (except GA and NM) states that voted for Trump and every state except for NM has a GOP controlled Legislature. They also all have the highest murder rates per capita of all 50 states, in the order listed...As usual poor MS can only be at the top of negative lists...
They also (except for NM) allow unrestricted carry and again (except for NM) have some of the most lax gun laws in the country. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's likely that with firearms being more difficult to purchase in NM, that a lot of guns used to kill in NM come from neighboring states like Texas, AZ and Oklahoma. But I'd have to delve into the stats deeper to be able to confirm my supposition...
I doubt the people who put this page together and went to all the trouble to color code the map were looking to highlight the states with the worst murder rate. But notice how the bright green cuts a wide swath directly thru the heart of Trump country, and apart from extreme north New England where gun violence is not a huge issue, the only two Biden carried states are GA and AZ which both had GOP Legislators and Governors.
And more on those 10 top murder rate states and their gun policies...
There's also this 2017 Stanford study which tracked an increase in violent crime in various states over the decade following their enactment of open carry laws...
Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states
Stanford Law School Professor John Donohue found that states that adopted right-to-carry laws have experienced a 13 to 15 percent increase in violent crime in the 10 years after enacting those laws.
nice "let's change the subject" attempt jet.
and while Wall St Dems certainly share blame, today's inflation, gas prices, and supply chain issues, are all overwhelmingly Pub driven problems.
the supply chain issues being products of free trade/offshoring starting with Reagan, and being a Pub holy grail ever since Reagan.
and the gas prices and inflation, 100% due to monopolization and the death of anti trust and free markets, also overwhelmingly Pub driven since Reagan and even before.
Pubs love monopolies, and tirelessly work non stop against competitive markets.
keep up the lies and false propaganda though.
Pubs love both those too. all day every day.
Or after an unfinished reach around, "thanks for tryin buddy!"
These things can both be true:
1) It’s good that more people didn’t die in the Indiana mall mass shooting!
2) Relying on untrained and unvetted armed civilians to take out gunmen that we’ve allowed to arm themselves with military grade weapons and ammunition is absurd and is bound to be, in the main, a woefully ineffective public safety strategy
1) It’s good that more people didn’t die in the Indiana mall mass shooting!
2) Relying on untrained and unvetted armed civilians to take out gunmen that we’ve allowed to arm themselves with military grade weapons and ammunition is absurd and is bound to be, in the main, a woefully ineffective public safety strategy
So the 30+ years previous, where we had less than 2% inflation for most of those years, supply chains that actually worked, and $2 gas, was that also the result of Reagan/GOP, or only the last 12 months or so did it become the fault of Reagan?GOP?
No right after Biden blamed Putin, oil companies, etc for the high prices I'm sure he'll start taking credit for lowering them.
I've been consistent in saying that NO president has much control over oil prices in the here and now but they do affect oil prices down the road with their policies. Biden is not responsible for today's high prices but sometime in the future his policies will make prices higher. I don't know enough about all the workings of oil companies to predict when that will be. But you can demonize the oil companies like he does and expect them to respond in a favorable way.
It’s business as usual for oil companies. Get the most bang for the buck. With prices high they will drill a bunch but not pump. Then use those completed holes down the road. The problem with fracked holes is they need attention and reworked as they degrade. They produce less and less over time. The US is pumping close to 2019 levels but it’s OPEC + that controls 85% of oil production that isn’t pumping at those pre pandemic levels. The US isn’t drilling its way to cheap prices. Also it was opec pumping more oil(going after fracing) that lowered prices. Our refineries are full so anything we pump that doesn’t get used up in daily/weekly/monthly gets used elsewhere. That includes other countries. Our refineries also refine oil and oil products for other countries. So yes…Biden/Trump our previous and future presidents don’t make much more than an irritation on our countries ass when it comes to petroleum. The US will only drill and pump if it’s economical for them. They are taking in record profits so why pump or drill more? I can assure you the oilfields are healthy and everyone I know can write their own check. Most I know are well into six figures falling out of bed in the morning.
edit: I know everyone wants energy independence but the OPEC + nations will make sure that doesn’t happen as long as they control most energy. Alternative energy sources will play a bigger part in independence than drilling more. Imho
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Good question. I have another. How the F did a conversation about a shooting Ina Greenwood Mall turn into a discussion about oil production? The ADD on this forum is astounding.
Squirrel!!!
Now go back and do your homework. Add up all of opec plus. 🤦🏻
OPEC : OPEC Share of World Crude Oil Reserves
www.opec.org
Oil reserves vs. oil production are different things. The claim that OPEC controls 85% of world oil PRODUCTION was blatantly false.
Add up all of the numbers on the chart that I posted for non-OPEC countries (e.g., USA, Canada, Russia, China, Brazil) and see if it is less than 15% of the total produced. This isn't hard. Don't do CO.H. math, do real math.
wait... so you are insisting that you weren't wrong in saying that OPEC controls 85% of production, but now you're backtracking to 50% for "OPEC plus"?
CO.H. has trained you well.
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Just stop. Good grief. The cartel of opec plus has us. They do what they want. That goofy chart doesn’t have everyone on it either.
data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training at Texas State University.
There were at least 434 active shooter attacks in the US from 2000 to 2021, according to ALERRT data. Active shooter attacks were defined as those in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place.
Of those 434 active shooter cases, an armed bystander other than a security officer shot the attacker in 12 of the incidents. In 10 other incidents, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
12/434 = 2.76% good citizen with a gun help
22/434 = 5.07% anyone with a gun helped
more about the good Samaritan:
www.cnn.com
There were at least 434 active shooter attacks in the US from 2000 to 2021, according to ALERRT data. Active shooter attacks were defined as those in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place.
Of those 434 active shooter cases, an armed bystander other than a security officer shot the attacker in 12 of the incidents. In 10 other incidents, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
12/434 = 2.76% good citizen with a gun help
22/434 = 5.07% anyone with a gun helped
more about the good Samaritan:
What we know about the armed bystander who killed the shooter at an Indiana mall | CNN
Dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend when a gunman opened fire on a food court at a Greenwood, Indiana, mall Sunday evening, killing three people and wounding two others.
Now how many of those were in a no gun zone?data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training at Texas State University.
There were at least 434 active shooter attacks in the US from 2000 to 2021, according to ALERRT data. Active shooter attacks were defined as those in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place.
Of those 434 active shooter cases, an armed bystander other than a security officer shot the attacker in 12 of the incidents. In 10 other incidents, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
12/434 = 2.76% good citizen with a gun help
22/434 = 5.07% anyone with a gun helped
more about the good Samaritan:
What we know about the armed bystander who killed the shooter at an Indiana mall | CNN
Dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend when a gunman opened fire on a food court at a Greenwood, Indiana, mall Sunday evening, killing three people and wounding two others.
Shaq's career FT% is 52.7%
Shaq would have a 4.1% chance of making 5 FTs in a row.
That's much more likely than an armed citizen stopping an active shooter.
NRA: Our best chance to win a BB game is having Shaq make 5+ FTs in a row
Shaq would have a 4.1% chance of making 5 FTs in a row.
That's much more likely than an armed citizen stopping an active shooter.
NRA: Our best chance to win a BB game is having Shaq make 5+ FTs in a row
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At the point where a mass shooting begins by some whacko with an AR-15 and is then quickly engaged by someone with a handgun, you're telling me that "more often than not, it's not such a happy ending."? All things considered this was about as happy of an ending you can get... Please no jokes.
What if the 911 call says the shooter is an 18 yr old toothpick dressed in all black and I a 40 year old 225 pound man dressed in khakis armed with a handgun is the first person the cop sees? I'll take my chances engaging the whacko versus getting shot in the back by a cop.
When those same democratic run operations let people out on weak bonds for previous gun crimes then yes I'm blaming them. There is a running tally in Chicago on how many crimes/shootings are done by people that should be locked up.And, does it really make sense to claim (as the poster above) that Democrat mayors, city councils and state governments that take steps to reduce gun violence are the ones who are responsible for increasing gun violence (thus making cities "shitholes")? Aren't the corrupt NRA lobbyists and other absolute gunlovers that fight any and all gun control the truly responsible parties?
I urge everyone to read the actual text of the Supreme Court's recent Bruen decision on guns, which overruled steps taken by NYC to reduce gun violence. The Second Amendment states that a "well regulated Militia" is "necessary to the security of a free State" but says absolutely nothing about self defense. On the other hand, the Bruen decision says nothing about militias but still holds that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to carry guns for self-defense regardless whether a militia member or not.
In the Bruen decision, the self-identified "originalists" and "textualists" on the Supreme Court actually admitted there were a number of pre-1791 local ordinances that outright banned possession of guns inside city limits ... but then they ignored this historical precedent. Clearly, they were reaching a result, not trying to demonstrate that the Founding Fathers and public opinion in 1776 or 1789 or 1791 supported open possession of any and all firearms, including not only muzzleloaders, but also weapons far beyond any Founding Father's possible understanding of what a firearm was.
Keep in mind that the first firearms cartridge was not even invented until 1846.
The Complete History of Small Arms Ammunition and Cartridges | Small Wars Journal
I recently wrote a short history of body armor article for Small Wars Journal. Here, I deal with the other side of the story and take you through the history of ammunition for small arms.smallwarsjournal.com
Hey, Republicans, come on, man.
So Eli Dickens' story keeps getting more impressive. I have been to the Greenwood Mall quite often. My wife's parents are east siders and Christmas shopping would happen out there quite often because we would drop the kids off and continue south to that mall (Wife hates Castleton). Dickens was at the little cookie shop that is not too far in the door of the entrance behind Dick's and near the food court. The shooter walks out of the bathroom and starts shooting. Dickens tells girlfriend to get down and begins to engage the guy. It was 15 seconds between when the shooter started firing and Dickens had put him down. The impressive thing to me though is that he took on a guy with a semi auto rifle with I believe a 9 mm. He fired 10 shots and the coroner said that the shooter had 8 bullet wounds (none self inflicted). An 80% hit rate under that stress with a handgun is nuts.
So is this like saying we blamed the coach for going 0-12 so now that we are 1-11 can someone give him the credit he deserves?
Economy is crap, a recession is near and unity within the country is pathetic but hey great job lowering the gas prices as if hey had anywhere else to go but down. lol
quite frankly 8 out of 10 is bad ass! The only regret I see is that 10 didn't hit their mark. My wife asked me last night could I have done it, I said my best bet would have to have gotten an angle on the prick and got inside the barrel length of the rifle and just shot him between the eyes. I'm pretty accurate at 2 foot and in.
