Responding to my own post, so meta.
Moved to Indianapolis in 1972. Being downtown was scary at night as the streets were vacant of people.
And yet, the rate of new housing construction (apartments, houses, townhomes, condos, renovations) continues at a furious pace, and properties for sale don't last long. Those builders must know something.
There are lots of studies on gun ownership and the things that gun owners over and underestimate
I have lived in the Indy Metro area for over 20 years now (either within the city limits itself or the major suburbs surrounding). My wife has lived here her whole life. There are some things that have improved and some that have gotten worse. The development downtown is really quite something. It continues and there are quite a bit of things that are cool about living in this area.
Agreed. How do people know who the good guy and the bad guy is when multiple people pull out their guns? Was he allowed to be carrying at the mall?
I think that legally you can carry at the mall but the mall has a policy that requests you do not. So the Mall could have asked him to leave or put him on a no trespass list but I don't think there would be any legal penalties for the guy. I could be wrong on that though.
Nope. One was at the ball fields( warrick county) near our house. Kids were practicing. Wife was walking our dog. The other was at the twin bridges between Kentucky and indiana.
Waisting your time with Shooter.
That to me would be the point. You don't want people to know. Open carry just makes you a target.
Yeah I was immediately interested in his background. Former military , etc?
Lol. I carry for my protection not for others. Things the left are good at are assuming…every gun owner is a criminal… gun owners shoot at everything….gun owners worship the weapon. I’m not sure why every time I say I carry I automatically become some imbecile in your(s) eyes? I’m the guy the leftists anti-gun guys hate because I do none of those things. You won’t catch me in a gun store more than 1-2 times a year. You won’t catch me waving my guns in the air. You won’t catch me letting kids play with them. You won’t catch me leaving them out without trigger locks. One thing is very clear though…you won’t catch me unarmed/helpless ever again.
The perp was standing at the fiery gates awaiting admittance. St Lucifer asked him, what are you doing here? The perp said... Well that one guy wasn't allowed to have that gun in that mall, so here I am.
The problem they see is”gun owner” which becomes “gun worshiper”. They have no use for people like me.
I pretty much agree.
I’ve felt more unsafe downtown Bloomington(not bad) at night than in Indy. More Police presence in Indy around those areas. Generally safe. Downtown Chicago is the same.
I am ASSUMING absolutely nothing and...
Bottom line...stay away from GPM. If the shooters don't get you the other shooters will. Everybody shoot'n.
Indy has a 42nd and Post problem. You start going south of Ft. Ben on Post Rd and you are driving through one of the worst areas in the state froma gun violence perspective. It isn't all there, but it is the epicenter. For people who have to travel through areas to get to downtown Indy, the area they have to traverse is going to inform their view of Indianapolis.
Should be taught in places you would dispute. Used to be taught at home and school but that would be to easy and shot down. See the problem with guys like me is I’m a conundrum to you. I’m the middle guy who you cant grasp. You are looking for an argument from me. An argument I don’t fit. You have no idea what an average Joe looks like. You also assume none of us have been through safety courses. Guess what? Most of us do.
I am relying on studies that analyzed MILLIONS of gun owners in the USA. The stats are not my opinions. They aren't anyone's opinions. Such studies can give an understanding of the "average gun owner"
Where? Totally false. I am merely saying that in many places there is not enough training, both in depth and in frequency. Taking a course 20 years ago probably doesn't help anyone, now. There have also been many cases of a person buying an AR15 for the first time and mowing down people DAYS later. The shooter in such cases obviously did not have weeks of training. He had a 10 minute pep talk, if even that.
Good for you. What about the shooters, in mass shootings. Were they well-trained and screened? This is a case where we need a high bar, because the outlier nutjob does such tremendous damage. We then need laws tough enough to deter the outlier nutjob, while inconveniencing responsible people like you to the smallest extent possible.
Many of the people I know own guns and many of them carry. You would have a very difficult time knowing that they carry I would almost bet you would have zero clue. The general perception of gun owners is terrible and threads like this reinforce to me what I believe to be true.
That’s a moment in time. Cops rushing in to the scene can arrive to see two gunmen. What’s to stop them from fixating on the “good guy?”
It's a good thing that almost nobody wants to take away guns (non-AR15s, anyway) from mentally stable law abiding 21+- yo citizens.
I was at my local coffee shop last week listening to two old dudes talk while I waiting for my coffee. One dude said people who don’t own guns in the neighborhood feel safer because of the people who own guns.
In my experience this is pretty spot on. When I talk with my gun-owning friends, they're often dumbfounded and incredulous that I'd even bring up things in the 'underestimate' column as even remote possibilities.
I don't think anyone is saying gun laws will deter insane people once they have have a gun. I think most people are in favor of making it infinitely harder for an insane person to get a gun though.
Victor, one of the problems with a forum such as this one is that we don't see each other as a conundrum. Instead we pin a label on each other without hesitation.
Police, who have shot good Samaritans before, and anyone else who might be carrying a gun, which seems to be more and more people.
I agree mostly but there are people who are people who think stricter is better in all instances. The other problem is every proposed laws will use the same framework we have right now. Until that’s fixed no new law will be enforced correctly.
I’m ok with that. I’ve learned to argue until that argument isn’t heard. It’s close to that.
You throw the gun down and put your hands in the air.
