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Shooting at Greenwood Mall

So Eli Dickens' story keeps getting more impressive. I have been to the Greenwood Mall quite often. My wife's parents are east siders and Christmas shopping would happen out there quite often because we would drop the kids off and continue south to that mall (Wife hates Castleton). Dickens was at the little cookie shop that is not too far in the door of the entrance behind Dick's and near the food court. The shooter walks out of the bathroom and starts shooting. Dickens tells girlfriend to get down and begins to engage the guy. It was 15 seconds between when the shooter started firing and Dickens had put him down. The impressive thing to me though is that he took on a guy with a semi auto rifle with I believe a 9 mm. He fired 10 shots and the coroner said that the shooter had 8 bullet wounds (none self inflicted). An 80% hit rate under that stress with a handgun is nuts.

in front of that cookie shop is a good distance from the food court restroom entrance, as it's clear across the entire food court area which is pretty big.

impressive shooting by the 9 mm guy to say the least..

being that area is always pretty crowded, i wonder if the bad guy ever had time to figure out where the incoming was coming from.
 
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So Eli Dickens' story keeps getting more impressive. I have been to the Greenwood Mall quite often. My wife's parents are east siders and Christmas shopping would happen out there quite often because we would drop the kids off and continue south to that mall (Wife hates Castleton). Dickens was at the little cookie shop that is not too far in the door of the entrance behind Dick's and near the food court.
Sorry...when you started describing Blondie's, I sort of drifted off for a moment.
 
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in front of that cookie shop is a good distance from the food court restroom entrance, as it's clear across the entire food court area which is pretty big.

impressive shooting by the 9 mm guy to say the least..

being that area is always pretty crowded, i wonder if the bad guy ever had time to figure out where the incoming was coming from.
Hopefully the maggot wondered for a split second why he was on the floor before the lights went out for good.

I can’t imagine he experienced much more than that.
 
Shaq's career FT% is 52.7%

Shaq would have a 4.1% chance of making 5 FTs in a row.

That's much more likely than an armed citizen stopping an active shooter.

NRA: Our best chance to win a BB game is having Shaq make 5+ FTs in a row
Shaq was 12-12 from the line the one time he played IU, so I guess that really blows your example to pieces
 
Shaq was 12-12 from the line the one time he played IU, so I guess that really blows your example to pieces
It shows what an outlier that game from Shaq was, that it was even MORE of an outlier than an armed citizen taking down an active shooter!
 
So the 30+ years previous, where we had less than 2% inflation for most of those years, supply chains that actually worked, and $2 gas, was that also the result of Reagan/GOP, or only the last 12 months or so did it become the fault of Reagan?GOP?


if you think we've had only 2% inflation for the previous 30+ yrs, then you literally haven't boughten anything for the last 30+ yrs or since.

and yes, today's non supply driven inflation absolutely traces back to Reagan and the GOP, as it's 100% NON COMPETITIVE/ MONOPOLISTIC CONSOLIDATION BASED, not SUPPLY BASED.

as are today's supply chain issues getting chips from China on conservatives, both PUB and Dem conservatives, which is the major supply chain issue we now are experiencing.

that said, the infinitely greater and ongoing supply chain issue regarding China, is that we are now literally China's btch, and they literally dictate to us as the provider, not vice versa.

that's also on lying shthead Reagan and the GOP scum, and Dem Wall St owned conservatives, who offshored our manufacturing base and all those jobs, and will be until it's brought back on shore.

and spare me the usual GOP and Wall St lies.
 
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if you think we've had only 2% inflation for the previous 30+ yrs, then you literally haven't boughten anything for the last 30+ yrs or since.

and yes, today's non supply driven inflation absolutely traces back to Reagan and the GOP, as it's 100% NON COMPETITIVE/ MONOPOLISTIC CONSOLIDATION BASED, not SUPPLY BASED.

as are today's supply chain issues getting chips from China on conservatives, both PUB and Dem conservatives, which is the major supply chain issue we now are experiencing.

that said, the infinitely greater and ongoing supply chain issue regarding China, is that we are now literally China's btch, and they literally dictate to us as the provider, not vice versa.

that's also on lying shthead Reagan and the GOP scum who offshored our manufacturing base and all those jobs, and will be until it's brought back on shore.

and spare me usual GOP lies.
Speaking of lies, I have always been leery of inflation figures and the "basket of goods" used to arrive at the annual inflation rate. The "basket" never came close to the way I spent.

Furthermore both Dem and Pub administrations had a vested interest in keeping the inflation rate low.

Bottom line, not lying, just manipulating the process to serve a favorable outcome. It happens both in the private and government sectors.
 
Blondies > Crumbl

Fight me.

But Long’s > Everything I’ve had so far
When I first moved to Indy over 30 years ago, wife and I lived on south side, and went to Southport UMC. We would occasionally stop by the Long's on Southport Rd on our way home. It was a couple of years before I figured out just how much of an Indy icon it was. I just thought it was an exceptionally good, hole in the wall (see what I did there?) donut place that was our little secret. Well, us being the line of people that stretched out into the parking lot.

Also, Blondie's and Long's are not in the same category, to me. One is cookies and brownies. The other is donuts.
I've spent some time studying this topic.
 
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if you think we've had only 2% inflation for the previous 30+ yrs, then you literally haven't boughten anything for the last 30+ yrs or since.

and yes, today's non supply driven inflation absolutely traces back to Reagan and the GOP, as it's 100% NON COMPETITIVE/ MONOPOLISTIC CONSOLIDATION BASED, not SUPPLY BASED.

as are today's supply chain issues getting chips from China on conservatives, both PUB and Dem conservatives, which is the major supply chain issue we now are experiencing.

that said, the infinitely greater and ongoing supply chain issue regarding China, is that we are now literally China's btch, and they literally dictate to us as the provider, not vice versa.

that's also on lying shthead Reagan and the GOP scum, and Dem Wall St owned conservatives, who offshored our manufacturing base and all those jobs, and will be until it's brought back on shore.

and spare me the usual GOP and Wall St lies.
DO you own any weapons and how many cats do you live with?
 
The Good Samaritan clearly saved lives here. Probably a lot. Indeed, the shooter was a 20 year male who possessed 2 AR 15 type rifles with large magazines. He fired off 24 rounds in 15 seconds.

I’m thankful for the young man who saved lives here, but we need to focus on the shooter and the weapons he used. That problem still exists and the next mass shooting will involve a young male and an AR 15 type rifle. That’s an inconvenient truth that pro 2A folks don’t want to talk about, but that is the problem.
 
quite frankly 8 out of 10 is bad ass! The only regret I see is that 10 didn't hit their mark. My wife asked me last night could I have done it, I said my best bet would have to have gotten an angle on the prick and got inside the barrel length of the rifle and just shot him between the eyes. I'm pretty accurate at 2 foot and in.
Reports are that at least the first shot by the good guy were from 40 yards away and hit the target. THAT is really bad ass. It looks like he fired all 10 from that distance or close to it.
 
Reports are that at least the first shot by the good guy were from 40 yards away and hit the target. THAT is really bad ass. It looks like he fired all 10 from that distance or close to it.
Talking about it last night with friends we were all impressed, the good guy was skilled glad to know those guys are out there on my side. Hard sometimes to hit things with a shotgun at 40 yards in pressure situations.
 
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Reports are that at least the first shot by the good guy were from 40 yards away and hit the target. THAT is really bad ass. It looks like he fired all 10 from that distance or close to it.
This kid is apparently a great shot. However, he is a 22 year old kid with no military or law enforcement background or training. Essentially, he could be any 22 year kid you see at the mall. Is it a good idea to fire a 9mm 40 yards across a crowded mall food court in any scenario?

It worked out here, but it doesn’t take too much imagination to see this going very wrong.
 
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This kid is apparently a great shot. However, he is a 22 year old kid with no military or law enforcement background or training. Essentially, he could be any 22 year kid you see at the mall. Is it a good idea to fire a 9mm 40 yards across a crowded mall food court in any scenario?

It worked out here, but it doesn’t take too much imagination to see these going very wrong.
Hmmm, which is likely to kill more people, stray bullets from the Good Samaritan or from the shooter intent on killing as many as possible? Is the potential there for an accident, absolutely, but are you suggesting he shouldn’t have taken action, or that someone in any similar situation should sit back & watch instead of acting? Jesus…
 
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Also, Blondie's and Long's are not in the same category, to me. One is cookies and brownies. The other is donuts.
I've spent some time studying this topic.
Agree 100% but my sweets bucket every day is pretty small (I'm a quick weight gainer. I lose it quick too but have to watch myself). So, if I get a chance I'll choose Long's over Blondies every day. Might be b/c I just like donuts more than cookies.

Also, I try to support local bakeries. My daughter has finally realized Crumbl is a marketing scam (they use brownie mix as the base for their cookies which is grade A horsesh!t if you ask me). About 3 doors down from them is Taylor's Bakery (Fishers). Taylor's makes the greatest donut on the planet (the fried Danish - try it if you get a chance and succumb to the sugar coma). I told her from the beginning Taylors > Crumbl and about 1/3 the price.

She's learning.
 
Hmmm, which is likely to kill more people, stray bullets from the Good Samaritan or from the shooter intent on killing as many as possible? Is the potential there for an accident, absolutely, but are you suggesting he shouldn’t have taken action, or that someone in any similar situation should sit back & watch instead of acting? Jesus…
Not at all. I’m saying the better course is to figure out how to prevent a 20 year kid from getting his hands on AR 15 type rifles.

Relying on random people at the mall to stop mass shooters is a fools errand. How many foolish young men are going to Constitutional carry a gun now because it’s cool? Any societal harm that could come from that?
 
The Good Samaritan clearly saved lives here. Probably a lot. Indeed, the shooter was a 20 year male who possessed 2 AR 15 type rifles with large magazines. He fired off 24 rounds in 15 seconds.

I’m thankful for the young man who saved lives here, but we need to focus on the shooter and the weapons he used. That problem still exists and the next mass shooting will involve a young male and an AR 15 type rifle. That’s an inconvenient truth that pro 2A folks don’t want to talk about, but that is the problem.
The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with 2 pistols. 3rd worse mass shooting in US history.

Believing these things won’t happen if we just get rid of those scary “assault rifles” is idiotic.
 
Not at all. I’m saying the better course is to figure out how to prevent a 20 year kid from getting his hands on AR 15 type rifles.

Relying on random people at the mall to stop mass shooters is a fools errand. How many foolish young men are going to Constitutional carry a gun now because it’s cool? Any societal harm that could come from that?
Your post revolves around the actions of the Good Samaritan, not whether assault rifles should be banned.
 
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Reports are that at least the first shot by the good guy were from 40 yards away and hit the target. THAT is really bad ass. It looks like he fired all 10 from that distance or close to it.
This is what I was thinking. That is quality shooting. To do that, while (likely) moving and with what I’m assuming was a moving target, is exceptionally difficult. A lot of people couldn’t hit somebody across the room with a handgun.
 
When those same democratic run operations let people out on weak bonds for previous gun crimes then yes I'm blaming them. There is a running tally in Chicago on how many crimes/shootings are done by people that should be locked up.
OK so are you blaming those same Dems for the high gun murder rates in both red states and cities within red states with GOP Administrations? Your cookie cutter answer for the blame for gun violence in Chicago is "Democratic run operations" letting past offenders out. OK that's the problem in "Blue states", from your perspective...

But what explains the gun violence in states and cities that are per capita more prone to gun deaths/violence than Chicago/IL, NYC/NY or LA-SF/CA? CA,NY and IL aren't on the list of 10 worst gun death states, but MI,AL,KY,TN etc... are.CA has one of the lowest per capita gun death rates than anywhere, but the murder capital of CA is not LA or SF, it's Heart of Trump country Bakersfield...

You're spouting the same incorrect, lazy mantra that Tom Cotton spews at the beginning of this video. He tries to correlate the rise in violent crime to "decrease in prison population, implying of course that crime is a Dem problem....Only problem is Cotton looks pretty stupid when statistics show that his own state of AR is #9 on the per capita murder list and has double the per capita murder rate of states like CA and NY.

So what's your explanation for red state murder rates being so high? The top 10 are basically all "southern", overall have very relaxed gun policies, and high gun ownership. Murder rates for states voting for Trump were overall 40% higher than Biden states. Just like vax rates were higher in Blue states than red states in general.

Do you see any trends that might challenge your lazy analysis? You think Chicago is the only city that people who should have been locked up end up committing crimes? OK, then who is doing all those shootings in Fresno/Bakersfield OK City/ Tulsa, Jacksonville etc... all of which are run by Pubs and per capita have worse shooting statistics than either Chicago or NYC?



 
The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with 2 pistols. 3rd worse mass shooting in US history.

Believing these things won’t happen if we just get rid of those scary “assault rifles” is idiotic.
That really was fish in a barrel. Different scenarios. As meticulous as the VA Tech shooter was I believe he even considered the right weapon for the right situation.

But in a larger environment (like a mall or outdoors from a rooftop or window) an "AR" makes more sense, no?
 
Hmmm, which is likely to kill more people, stray bullets from the Good Samaritan or from the shooter intent on killing as many as possible? Is the potential there for an accident, absolutely, but are you suggesting he shouldn’t have taken action, or that someone in any similar situation should sit back & watch instead of acting? Jesus…
No, their point ultimately boils down to you being able to have a shotgun, a 6 shooter, and a bolt action rifle (if anything at all). The rest is just tap dancing around that.
 
OK so are you blaming those same Dems for the high gun murder rates in both red states and cities within red states with GOP Administrations? Your cookie cutter answer for the blame for gun violence in Chicago is "Democratic run operations" letting past offenders out. OK that's the problem in "Blue states", from your perspective...

But what explains the gun violence in states and cities that are per capita more prone to gun deaths/violence than Chicago/IL, NYC/NY or LA-SF/CA? CA,NY and IL aren't on the list of 10 worst gun death states, but MI,AL,KY,TN etc... are.CA has one of the lowest per capita gun death rates than anywhere, but the murder capital of CA is not LA or SF, it's Heart of Trump country Bakersfield...

You're spouting the same incorrect, lazy mantra that Tom Cotton spews at the beginning of this video. He tries to correlate the rise in violent crime to "decrease in prison population, implying of course that crime is a Dem problem....Only problem is Cotton looks pretty stupid when statistics show that his own state of AR is #9 on the per capita murder list and has double the per capita murder rate of states like CA and NY.

So what's your explanation for red state murder rates being so high? The top 10 are basically all "southern", overall have very relaxed gun policies, and high gun ownership. Murder rates for states voting for Trump were overall 40% higher than Biden states. Just like vax rates were higher in Blue states than red states in general.

Do you see any trends that might challenge your lazy analysis? You think Chicago is the only city that people who should have been locked up end up committing crimes? OK, then who is doing all those shootings in Fresno/Bakersfield OK City/ Tulsa, Jacksonville etc... all of which are run by Pubs and per capita have worse shooting statistics than either Chicago or NYC?



You continue to argue rates. You could have a city of 1,500 people have 1 murder in a year and their rate be higher than a city of 2 million that regularly kicks out 1,000 deaths a year. California is near the top for an actual body count.
 
The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with 2 pistols. 3rd worse mass shooting in US history.

Believing these things won’t happen if we just get rid of those scary “assault rifles” is idiotic.
Of course we will never get rid of shootings in this country. The VaTech incident stands out because it did not involve an AR type rifle. You have to admit that the majority of mass shootings occurring involve a very specific type of gun.
 
You continue to argue rates. You could have a city of 1,500 people have 1 murder in a year and their rate be higher than a city of 2 million that regularly kicks out 1,000 deaths a year. California is near the top for an actual body count.
So, you're expressing surprise that there are more murders in places that have more people?

Wait till you hear this...places with more people also had more Covid cases. Whoa.
 
You continue to argue rates. You could have a city of 1,500 people have 1 murder in a year and their rate be higher than a city of 2 million that regularly kicks out 1,000 deaths a year. California is near the top for an actual body count.

California was 2nd to TX in number of firearm deaths in 2020. (TX 4164 to CA 3449)
Illinois was at 1745
For reference IN was at 1159.

Populations (as of 2020)

CA - 39,613,493
TX - 29,790,311
IL - 12,569,321
IN - 6,805,985

Yes, Chicago has dangerous, gang/crime infested areas. Per the site linked, Chicago's firearm homicide rate is 29/100,000 which is insane. 6x higher than New York and 3x higher than Los Angeles.

So rate does matter. If we're going to bring up Chicago every other day we get to point to California and say, "see, guns laws work" (and yes, it's not that simple).

 
The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with 2 pistols. 3rd worse mass shooting in US history.

Believing these things won’t happen if we just get rid of those scary “assault rifles” is idiotic.
Disagree. That’s a major outlier and occurred relatively early on in the unfortunate mass shooter phenomena timeline. College kids aren’t going to hide behind desks anymore - they know they have to attack. It’s a lot easier to bumrush pistols than a long gun.
 
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Of course we will never get rid of shootings in this country. The VaTech incident stands out because it did not involve an AR type rifle. You have to admit that the majority of mass shootings occurring involve a very specific type of gun.
It was very early in the latest craze of shootings. Predated training and drills.
 
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Of course we will never get rid of shootings in this country. The VaTech incident stands out because it did not involve an AR type rifle. You have to admit that the majority of mass shootings occurring involve a very specific type of gun.
That’s nonresponsive to my point, which is that these mass shootings are going to keep happening whether you ban the scary long guns or not.

The guns are not the cause.
 
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OK so are you blaming those same Dems for the high gun murder rates in both red states and cities within red states with GOP Administrations? Your cookie cutter answer for the blame for gun violence in Chicago is "Democratic run operations" letting past offenders out. OK that's the problem in "Blue states", from your perspective...

But what explains the gun violence in states and cities that are per capita more prone to gun deaths/violence than Chicago/IL, NYC/NY or LA-SF/CA? CA,NY and IL aren't on the list of 10 worst gun death states, but MI,AL,KY,TN etc... are.CA has one of the lowest per capita gun death rates than anywhere, but the murder capital of CA is not LA or SF, it's Heart of Trump country Bakersfield...

You're spouting the same incorrect, lazy mantra that Tom Cotton spews at the beginning of this video. He tries to correlate the rise in violent crime to "decrease in prison population, implying of course that crime is a Dem problem....Only problem is Cotton looks pretty stupid when statistics show that his own state of AR is #9 on the per capita murder list and has double the per capita murder rate of states like CA and NY.

So what's your explanation for red state murder rates being so high? The top 10 are basically all "southern", overall have very relaxed gun policies, and high gun ownership. Murder rates for states voting for Trump were overall 40% higher than Biden states. Just like vax rates were higher in Blue states than red states in general.

Do you see any trends that might challenge your lazy analysis? You think Chicago is the only city that people who should have been locked up end up committing crimes? OK, then who is doing all those shootings in Fresno/Bakersfield OK City/ Tulsa, Jacksonville etc... all of which are run by Pubs and per capita have worse shooting statistics than either Chicago or NYC?



LOL zero common sense. Look up the 25 most dangerous cities in america. 24 are run by dems. soft on crime DAs, woke mayors, relaxed bail, too much recidivism in black urban communities. 13 percent of the population is black yet they commit approximately half the violent crime. It's in their culture. sad reality. the woke mob excuses it and refuses to demand greater accountability. you're in that crowd. the tribalism doesn't help. guns are in the culture of the radical right. they opposed any common sense legislation and restrictions. this is a bipartisan problem. how the left deals with violence and how the right holds onto gun culture. you have tunnel vision, per usual
 
Disagree. That’s a major outlier and occurred relatively early on in the unfortunate mass shooter phenomena timeline. College kids aren’t going to hide behind desks anymore - they know they have to attack. It’s a lot easier to bumrush pistols than a long gun.
I’m not military but it seems counterintuitive to say it’s harder to bum rush someone carrying a weapon that requires both hands to handle(long gun) than it does someone who’s carrying a pistol.
 
I’m not military but it seems counterintuitive to say it’s harder to bum rush someone carrying a weapon that requires both hands to handle(long gun) than it does someone who’s carrying a pistol.
Each of those pistols have less rounds than the long gun and do much less damage to the human body. They’re also less accurate and more easily grabbed or pushed off of target than a weapon steadied with both hands and a dug-in shoulder stock.
 
That’s nonresponsive to my point, which is that these mass shootings are going to keep happening whether you ban the scary long guns or not.

The guns are not the cause.
But if the mass shootings are less lethal, isn’t that a goal worth pursuing? Plus, as has been discussed here before, there really aren’t many legitimate reasons these guns should be in civilian hands.
 
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How do you feel about the JR-15?


Seems to me it's the same as this one:


Both are semi-auto, made for kids, fire .22 LR ammo
 
But if the mass shootings are less lethal, isn’t that a goal worth pursuing? Plus, as has been discussed here before, there really aren’t many legitimate reasons these guns should be in civilian hands.
Yes
 
Seems to me it's the same as this one:


Both are semi-auto, made for kids, fire .22 LR ammo
.22LR ammo is not the concern
 
California was 2nd to TX in number of firearm deaths in 2020. (TX 4164 to CA 3449)
Illinois was at 1745
For reference IN was at 1159.

Populations (as of 2020)

CA - 39,613,493
TX - 29,790,311
IL - 12,569,321
IN - 6,805,985

Yes, Chicago has dangerous, gang/crime infested areas. Per the site linked, Chicago's firearm homicide rate is 29/100,000 which is insane. 6x higher than New York and 3x higher than Los Angeles.

So rate does matter. If we're going to bring up Chicago every other day we get to point to California and say, "see, guns laws work" (and yes, it's not that simple).

We have the second highest amount of gun deaths in the union and some of the most strict rules. See how well our laws work.


"By raw numbers, there were 19,350 gun homicides in 2020, with African Americans accounting for 62% of the total and white people 21%."

Mississippi is 37.68% black. California is 5.51% black. Is it the gun laws that make the difference in that murder rate or is it the fact that one state has a much larger population (by percentage) of the people who tend to be gun victims in this country?
 
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