Yeah , he knows different Hispanics than myself and most people I know do on that.
Shifting demographics in parties.
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Your moms house. Or google.
Chapter 2: Latinos’ Views on Selected 2014 Ballot Measure Issues
Voters in 41 states and the District of Columbia will get to weigh in on policy initiatives on state ballots in the November 2014 election. There are 147
www.pewresearch.org
No out of your moms. See my links in response to mud bug.
Overwhelming for gun control. And overwhelming believe abortion should be legal with or with out restrictions. Only 14% of Hispanics think abortion should be illegal.
Well there no doubt that both parties has had a hand in it. However, I think the Democrats treat blacks like they are not capable of taking care of themselves so they have to do it and I simply don't believe that because I worked around a lot of hardworking blacks. Out political leaders should strive to make sure that everyone has an equal chance to succeed.
I agree with your last sentence, but what does it mean in practice?
What D backed programs do you see as treating POC like they can’t take care of themselves?
I’m assuming, and correct me if I’m wrong, that you’re referencing anti-poverty programs. While I can understand the logic of it, I’d argue that it’s actually a long play to give people an equal chance to succeed. My wife taught at an urban high school and poverty is a real issue. It’s hard for the next generation of kids to get ahead (or catch up) when they’re competing with kids who have never worried about missing a meal, or where they’re going to sleep that night, or whether gunshots and sirens will keep them up.
Ranger has had some late night mama trolling of late. I, for one, support and encourage such rhetoric and hope only that our new sheriff will allow it to continue.
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Here's a poll not from 8 years ago...
These numbers don't look any different than the population at- large.
correct. the overwhelming majority of the county believes it should be legal or legal with restrictions.
So again. I would imagine this will eventually shift the GOP position, right? Maybe not since it seems the fringes on either side seem to make the rules. The majority in the middle get the shaft.
“Public records show - and Fetterman has openly acknowledged - that for a long stretch lasting well into his 40s, his main source of income came from his parents, who gave him and his family $54,000 in 2015 alone. That was part of the financial support his parents regularly provided when Fetterman’s only paying work was $150 a month as mayor of Braddock, a job he held from his mid-30s until he turned 49. He lived in an industrial-style loft he purchased from his sister for $1 after she paid $70,000 for it 6 years earlier.”
Interesting..... I hadn't read that before.
www.newsweek.com
Black Americans Are Fleeing Democratic Cities
Black Americans might believe the South is more racist, but they do not view this racism as a barrier blocking them from achieving their economic objectives.
www.newsweek.com
Sounds like he was doing mostly charitable work, Basically right out college. And then later the low part time mayor gig on top of still heavily involved with non profits. His father thought that was honorably enough to float him for several years.
"Nice that he came from enough wealth to allow him to take on unpaid and low pay political work and still have his needs completely met."
Is this supposed to be a negative? Especially compared to OZ and his TV wealth, grift from supplements and the multi-million $$ inheritance from his wife's family?
My guess is that when Fetterman was elected LT Governor he started to earn enough money to square his debt with his parents? Are they claiming he's pulling a Trump, and has never repaid them? The way nearly every city in the US is still owed $$ by Trump for services and security rendered at his rallies?
I guess you'll have to explain that one to me. I'm not grasping how any of that either hurts Fetterman or more importantly helps OZ?
I don't understand the issue. He was open and forthright about all of this. Its not news. It's not completely normal but it's not really a big deal. At all.
You took so grief on here for citing an 8 yr old poll. But according to bi-lingual polling expert Fernand Amandi who has 10 yrs experience and is based in Miami, his polling is showing that the Dobbs decision is turning off Hispanic voters and backfiring on the GOP.
He explains it in the video, but basically he's finding that Catholic Hispanics who are personally opposed to abortion are still not in favor of the Govt telling other women and their families that they can't make their own choice in consultation with their family and their medical advisors. Her characterizes the shift he's seeing back to Dems as basically 2018 levels. It sounds like he's going to report more in depth on Cross's show on Sat, so I'm interested in seeing that video when it's posted...
Translation: Bailey thinks polls are inaccurate when they predict that Democrats win, but he thinks polls are spot on when they predict that Democrats lose.
You left out "Progressives", "Socialists" and "Communists."
Republicans now blindly follow autocrats. No more "family values" or "balanced budget" for them.
Republicans worship strong dictators like Trump and DeSantis try to be (in their dreams) and they reject governmental decisions made by a blending of opinions in Congress. And, they have no idea what real "Progressives", "Socialists" and "Communists" even believe in.
Winning by whining!! Vote Republican !!
Uh, more directly, how much did Trump's parents lend Trump to get him started (and at what age?)?
Yeah the guy who has been posting polls since last Oct, now wants to attack the credibility of "summer polls"...3 months out...
I would never bet on politics, way too many variables. It's all I can do to manage my sports bets, and they are usually decided with out too much controversy...
But I already know that when all of these wacky candidates end up losing the "stolen election" mantra is going to be resurrected and none of them will concede. We've already seen the dress rehearsal in multiple primaries, and that was when the opposition was other Republicans. Sometimes it was more of a race to see who could crawl further up Trump's ass than it was an electoral battle...
The irony is that 60-70+ % of the impetus for them to claim "the election was stolen!" is that they think polls showed Trump was "way ahead" on election night of 2020 before all the votes were counted, but when the actual votes were counted, Trump lost significantly. Trump explicitly encourages this defective thought process.
Now, the same Trump supporters seize on polls taken two full years before November, 2024 and act like they represent actual, real votes.
No I happen to think that a black man is just as capable as I am of taking care of himself and that he doesn't need me to hold his hand.
Ranger offering thoughts about Fetterman's positives really seems to have bothered you, Sparty. You're working overtime to get some mud to stick on him.
It's notable that you don't respond by talking about Oz's positives
We often here how social welfare has destroyed the Black community. I am not sure how, I do not know of any programs available to only Blacks. The same programs available to Blacks in Chicago are available to Whites in Hazard County, KY. So how does aid to families destroy Black communities but not White?
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I think the people who make those arguments think it applies to all who receive the aid.
As to how, come on Marv. I assume you know how the argument runs.
For those that don't, here's a thoughtful piece explaining one version of the argument:
Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System
Too many American children experience the hurt from broken bonds at an early age. About 35% of American adolescents live without one of their parents, and around 40% of American children are born outside of marriage. Although these kids’ parents are usually in a relationship or even cohabiting...
ifstudies.org
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That's an interesting perspective. I haven't heard the argument made much here in relation to all who receive the aid.
It does not quite fit, Appalachia has a very high rate of single parents yet has almost none of the violent crime of cities. This discussion often comes about in context of the murder raye in a Chicago. If welfare breeds murder in Chicago, why does it not in Hazard?I think the people who make those arguments think it applies to all who receive the aid.
As to how, come on Marv. I assume you know how the argument runs.
For those that don't, here's a thoughtful piece explaining one version of the argument:
Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System
Too many American children experience the hurt from broken bonds at an early age. About 35% of American adolescents live without one of their parents, and around 40% of American children are born outside of marriage. Although these kids’ parents are usually in a relationship or even cohabiting...
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Your first message that I replied to referenced "destroyed the Black community." Now you have differentiated white v. black based on violence.
Answer: I don't know (either that you are right about the relative murder rates between poor communities or what that specific answer would be). Uneducated guess/question: are the marriage rates different (both low, but one much lower than the other)?
I would note something though: I'm tired of people referring to Appalachia as the go-to for poor, white people. There are plenty of poor, white people across the U.S. and especially in Indiana. I just drove across the state on U.S. 30 (to fish and then hit the music store, Sweetwater, in Ft. Wayne). Saw plenty of poor white people everywhere. I grew up surrounded by poor white people. It's not just Appalachia. (This isn't directed at you, Marv, just a rant against the world that you triggered).
Well it's welfare and black culture. Violent crime/gangs are part of black culture. Rarely do you ever hear it condemned by black/liberal politicians because they are too busy pandering for votes than to call for accountability.
Why blacks suffer economically and are now going into third and fourth generations of poverty I don't think is solely a result of social programs, tho I do believe we need to look at social programs and get a better idea of what does and doesn't work. Blacks are in the predicament they are in because they were late to the economic party and resultantly deprived of intergenerational wealth transfers. Slavery and oppression screwed them over. Now the issues are what we already know: lower educational attainment, higher rates of single family households, and geographic segregation. Living in a shitty neighborhood limits both your educational and professional opportunities.
Stay at Home Pete is right about racism in infrastructure. Much of our urban planning was predicated, intentionally or otherwise, on division on races. That he thinks today re-routing bridges and roads will be a panacea, or any help, evinces a small town/parochial view. No one is going back to these neighborhoods. Gentrification doesn't work like that. The cats out of the bag.
So going forward I think we learned some things from the free cheese that was given out during the pandemic. We learned that money, cash money, lifted certain poorer than shit people out of poverty at breakneck speed. Far faster than any programs ever have. I've written too much on here about the difference in one's life between having the money to put down on a car vs miserable fing bus/train vouchers. I know inflation is a risk but i really think we need to look at means testing cash for short durations in lieu of programs.
Hispanic opinions on abortion are almost identical to white opinions on abortion, per Pew:
www.pewresearch.org
Public Opinion on Abortion
While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years.
www.pewresearch.org
That is a fair point. I have been though Kirk Haston's boyhood area often on trips to Shiloh, amazingly poor. The first time through I was stunned at how poor.
But to the point, there are poor rural Blacks too, it isn't just cities. But the discussions center more on a Chicago than a Mississippi. So Appalachia is more figurative than literal.
The crime is supposed to be part of the failing of the Black community. I don't hear people say the White community in rural America is failing, yet welfare is high, addiction is high.
I don't think the problem is welfare, obviously. All of us here can quit work and attempt to subsist on government programs, it is a path we can all choose. Yet most of our posters do not.
I think the reason is not that these programs exist, it is that we have/had hope for more. A lot of very poor people have/had no such hope. Growing up, I knew a lot of them. Their goal was simple, marry right out of high school and start a family. Even if they stay married, that is tough. But they believe the system is stacked against them.
There are not many opportunities for people in vast areas of urban and rural poverty. They don't see options. I believe that is the problem. That is why I am really liking that massive scholarship program ln Chicago. But a massive apprenticeship program would probably be even better.
And married or single, having kids starting 25-30 is far better than at 18.
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Awesome post.
Let me add this and be a bit more provocative: I think a problem that is not discussed much is bad parenting--by white and black parents alike. It has become almost a taboo subject, but bad parenting leads to a higher risk of kids without hope.
That bad parenting might (I'd go so far as to say. most often) be caused by bad parenting they received; it might be caused by lack of education or just low IQ (yes, that is a reality); I don't think poverty alone causes it. But it is a problem. I don't know how to fix it.
(Nothing above is meant to imply every bad parent=a bad or hopeless kid, just like every good parent does not = a great, successful kid. I"m talking about averages, ceteris paribus, etc.)
My suggested fix (like for most things) is a universal standard of living for all U.S. children.
I do not know how to solve the problem of this incentivizing bad parents to have more kids--I think I might be in favor of a lot of money and training going into state Child and Family Services Depts.; I'd actually be willing to talk about a licensing procedure for parents but don't think that is politically feasilble and has too many authoritarian overtones to it for me to probably agree to. The problem with both of these is that they rely on a competent government bureaucracy to administer, and I'm more and more sceptical of that notion the older I get.
This is a rare moment on the board, we seem to largely agree on the problem. We even agree on a possible solution. I know UBI is being tested, maybe it will show positive results. In one case it did.
Republicans will never support UBI
I can't fathom why. It helps their workers out and it gets the "job creators" off the hook for just about everything. Once it's fully implemented, a UBI world is a world in which business owners pay a minor fee for the convenience of borrowing labor from the government. How can they not see how this is in their long term interests?
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I’m not sure if McM is right in this one. If Trump supported it, I’m guessing they could do it. Nationalist Populists could get behind it (esp if you linked it to being paid by isolationist FP or less immigrants).
To clarify, though, I’m not sure I support UBI. I want children standard of living to be at a basic level, not guaranteed adult income (yet).
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