Russia-Ukraine war has begun

[Aloha Hoosier]

In meeting with Vance, Zelenskyy says Ukraine needs "real security guarantees"

In Munich, Vice President JD Vance met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to discuss ending the war in Ukraine.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DANC]

Annoying. He's usual a pretty good follow, but apparently didn't watch or read the transcript closely enough.

I follow that guy, too. He is pretty decent.

But I listen to Trump on Ukraine and what I hear him say is nothing like what is reported. The Ukrainian Xers are convinced he's sold Ukraine out and he's not going to meet with Zelensky..... oops, Oh wait, he is going to meet with Zelensky but he's already made a deal with Putin, etc., etc., etc.

And it's not just one side. most of MAGA thinks we're going to totally cut Ukraine off and I highly doubt that's going to happen unless Zelesky just tells Trump to F off. Which he's not going to do.

I'm all for the US giving Ukraine whatever they need, but damn - can't the EU just once step up and protect themselves without whining for the US to bail them out? I'm getting sick of them talking about Trump sucking up to Putin. Do they think that's going to make the US want to help them?

The more I read X, the less I feel Europe is any smarter than the US. After working with them, I realize they are plenty smart enough, but their knowledge of the US (other than the ones who've lived here), think we're still killing Indians and you have to dodge bullets to leave your house. Never forget these English guys that stared, literally with mouths open, when I told them I had a gun. Totally foreign to them.

 

[DANC]

So if Biden has said that, he would not have been attacked for not understanding how negotiations work?

My complaint is not that he said it, I think it is relatively understood, but the people who would have slapped a D silly suddenly do not care

Said what? Trump conceded nothing. You're reading reports of what he said and I've seen nothing that he's conceded.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Said what? Trump conceded nothing. You're reading reports of what he said and I've seen nothing that he's conceded.

Nope, wasn't him that said it, it was SoD

 

[DANC]

Nope, wasn't him that said it, it was SoD

He didn't say it, either

 

[Marvin the Martian]

He didn't say it, either

1. We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine. But we must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.
2. 
   
3. Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.
4. 
   
5. A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again.
6. 
   
7. This must not be Minsk 3.0.
8. 
   
9. That said, the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

Opening Remarks by Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth at Ukraine Defense Contact Group (As

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth delivered opening remarks at a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group in Brussels.

www.defense.gov

 

[DANC]

1. We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine. But we must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.
2. 
   
3. Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.
4. 
   
5. A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again.
6. 
   
7. This must not be Minsk 3.0.
8. 
   
9. That said, the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

Opening Remarks by Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth at Ukraine Defense Contact Group (As

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth delivered opening remarks at a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group in Brussels.

www.defense.gov

Well, that was walked back by Vance. Pete doesn't make policy. Bottom line is, he's saying NATO membership is not a realistic outcome now. It doesn't mean it can't be used as a threat.

This is a tempest in a teapot.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Well, that was walked back by Vance. Pete doesn't make policy. Bottom line is, he's saying NATO membership is not a realistic outcome now. It doesn't mean it can't be used as a threat.

This is a tempest in a teapot.

I agree it is no big deal. But had someone said that under Biden there would have been 30 threads on how incompetent Biden's administration was.