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Russia-Ukraine war has begun

This is the one that died, right? Seems kind of suspicious.....

I've heard reports of them committing suicide, rather than be captured. Dear Leader would probably kill off their family if they were captured alive.

No idea, but doesn't really matter CoD.
 
Wonder how many millions each of those ancient things are on the books for? Total money laundering/kickback operation. A 1960s surplus vehicle worth less than a new F150 sold for $20M, we send it at taxpayers expense after calling it aid and borrowing the money to make it happen. They (ukraine) will never pay it back, but instead grease palms in congress the executive branch and K street.

But we're creating jobs for the defense industry!
 
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Wonder how many millions each of those ancient things are on the books for? Total money laundering/kickback operation. A 1960s surplus vehicle worth less than a new F150 sold for $20M, we send it at taxpayers expense after calling it aid and borrowing the money to make it happen. They (ukraine) will never pay it back, but instead grease palms in congress the executive branch and K street.

But we're creating jobs for the defense industry!
That’s not how it works.
 
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So how does it work? How is the value determeined?
I used to teach Security Cooperation to USG and partner nation civilian and military. This equipment is called Excess Defense Articles. The value for sell or grant transfer to a partner nation of those is considered 5 to 50 percent of the original cost depending on current condition. They’re usually so “as is” to partner nations. Sometimes they use them for spare parts for their existing equipment inventory. Sometimes they use them because they work or work after repair. Old IS equipment is in service all around the world even decades after we stopped using it.

Bottom line is the value of those per unit is not even a fraction of $20 million.
 
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I used to teach Security Cooperation to USG and partner nation civilian and military. This equipment is called Excess Defense Articles. The value for sell or grant transfer to a partner nation of those is considered 5 to 50 percent of the original cost depending on current condition. They’re usually so “as is” to partner nations. Sometimes they use them for spare parts for their existing equipment inventory. Sometimes they use them because they work or work after repair. Old IS equipment is in service all around the world even decades after we stopped using it.

Bottom line is the value of those per unit is not even a fraction of $20 million.
It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see the actual numbers.

Hell, we drove jeeps and trucks from WWII in Germany in the early 70s. WWII was less than 30 years before then, which is kind of crazy to think about. Vietnam is 50 years ago today.....
 
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see the actual numbers.

Hell, we drove jeeps and trucks from WWII in Germany in the early 70s. WWII was less than 30 years before then, which is kind of crazy to think about. Vietnam is 50 years ago today.....
Go to the DSCA website and look at the Congressional Notifications. You’ll see what we’re selling or grant transferring to partner nations and allies and the value of each transfer. Also how it’s paid for IIRC. You should find it interesting.

If you want to see how Excess Defense Articles work, look it up in the eSAMM on the same site. It’s searchable.
 
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see the actual numbers.

Hell, we drove jeeps and trucks from WWII in Germany in the early 70s. WWII was less than 30 years before then, which is kind of crazy to think about. Vietnam is 50 years ago today.....
Also, the B52s are still in service going strong and everyone of them is decades older than the pilot and crew. Little of the original aircraft is still in them after all the refurbishments and upgrades.
 
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