Thanks for keeping track Lucy. I thought that the funeral arrangements for Charlie Brown would keep you so busy you wouldn't have time to worry about me.
Russia and Ukraine
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No member of the Squad will ever be nominated for President.
The biggest problem with Trump isn't who he is, but how Republican voters reacted to him, and the main flaw in reflexive both sides-ism is a failure to recognize that Democratic voters have not exhibited the same dangerous behavior to such a worrisome extent.
The summer of love/Blm weren't Republicans and did far more damage and were far more destructive/dangerous tearing down cities. So strongly disagree. I think this batch of Dems is as dangerous as it gets with their reactionary behavior to things they don't like: court rulings etc.
Progressives are leading the polls for 2024 prez. I'm not sure you are right as the younger generations replace older. It won't be 2024 but another ten years who knows
Most of the people who committed violence were likely not Republican, I'd agree. I'd also guess most of them are not Democrats. Most of them are probably non-voters who aren't viewing the relevant issues through any sort of partisan lens.
I don't disagree that they weren't all voters. I disagree as to which constituency they are sought. Cori Bush and others were in keeping with them. The left was bailing them out. Championing their actions/causes etc. and of the 15,000 arrested I guarantee you those that vote did so as Dems
Speaking of police hater Cori Bush I just read her car got shot up in St. Loius. How much you want to bet this anti cop hater has her own private security guarding her 24/7.
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – Congresswoman Cori Bush’s car was struck by gunfire over the weekend.
Bush, D-St. Louis, was not in the parked car when the gunfire hit it Saturday morning, her office told News 4. Bush is not believed to have been targeted in the incident.
The location of where the shots were fired has not been disclosed.
Bush was elected in 2020 after defeating incumbent Lacy Clay in the primary election.
Copyright 2022 KMOV. All rights reserved.
So once again, your problem is with the politicians rather than the voters, largely. My original point stands. Nominating Trump is something your party actually did. Until the Dems actually do something equally ridiculous, slow your roll on the both sides nonsense.
Negative. There was nothing wrong with nominating Trump in 16. After a year of Biden/Harris I would take Trump back.
Yep. Glad to know the biggest problem in your mind is not Trump but those who voted for him. Ugh!
So GOP voters worry you more than Democratic voters. That’s pathetic.
I think Democratic voters cause failed schools, dismal economic conditions, and higher crime rates for Blacks in all major American cities.
These people are in fantasyland. When the mob was trying to get to the mayor's house during the summer of love I trust the media didn't report that the mayor's husband had been murdered years before in a carjacking in front of the house. No one wants the mob coming to their house when the propensity for criminal behavior is so high
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I detest the burning of cities, but I also understand the frustration in the black community on being heard. No matter how they protest there is s white person telling them they are doing it wrong.
Kneeling for the anthem is wrong, staying in the locker room is wrong, etc. Even scarier are the number of people defending January 6. If it were a group of BLM protesters storming the Capital their opinion of the event would be very different.
Are you really surprised he would say? His history of posting would show you he is not very found of any of us who dared to vote for Trump. He does not think kindly of any of us
What frustration. Unarmed killings by cops? Not supported by data. What they should focus on is the amount of crime they commit and how they are destroying cities.
Jan 6. Yawn.
Well then what was your point in both sidesing Bill? You can't argue that the other side is just as crazy while simultaneously arguing that it turns out your side isn't crazy, after all. Pick a lane and stay there.
The anti-cop mob of course never thought through any of the stuff they proposed. What did they think was going to happen? Of course cops were going to step back and not engage I mean why would they these people were trying to put them out of business and out of a job. And did they honestly think the criminals would suddenly just stop committing crimes? This was always going to fail and why crime and murder is at record numbers. Minneapolis still has like 25% or its force out on PDST leave and cannot find anyone to hire to save its life. Nobody is going to want to be a Minneapolis cop.
When they tried to defund the police on the ballot it was not the black community who voted yes. It was the little woksters at the U of Minnesota from the map I saw. The college woke crowd was totally for defunding the police.
Of course you, someone who personalizes everything, would say this. But what I actually criticized was the behavior, not the people.
Not saying you specifically McMurtry, but you know if BLM led an attack on the Capital the response from Fox and the right would be very different. Rather than calling them patriots or peaceful protestors they would be saying shoot to kill.
The black community certainly does share in a great deal of their issues. But to ignore the increase in racism in this county is naive.
I'm always in the same lane on policy. That's the point. You don't dislike Trump and all of the sudden support Dem policies
Of course. But I'm not talking about coverage. The summer of love and the Capitol were terrible, but different in quality and quantity
That's a point, but it's not the one I was responding to. Bill pointed out that Trump attracted new unsavory Republicans - namely the white nationalist types who pre-Trump would not admit to being a Republican, since Republicans were largely race-traitors. You pointed out to Bill that Dems have their own nuts they are attracting, clearly talking about the sorts who will burn down grocery stores to protest racial issues. Fair enough, but I was simply pointing out the huge disparity in the power of the crazies on each side. Maybe the crazies on the left will have enough power to put up their guy for POTUS. Someday. Maybe. But your crazies already crossed that line. They got their guy. They have the power.
Not recognizing that difference is intellectually dishonest.
That's not accurate. The crazies didn't get their guy in 2016. No one knew at that point. The future is yet to be seen.
They absolutely got their guy. Denying it might assuage your guilt for being an enabler, but it won't accomplish anything useful.
Bullshit. The craziness from Trump was in the last year of office. He ran on a platform of lowering taxes, not policing the world, and bringing jobs back home - not tacit approval of Proud Boys and shit. No one knew at that point his rhetoric would change. Hell Biden had a worse track record with black issues
Hell Biden ran as a centrist. No one knew he'd position himself as a far left, transformative president. I don't blame people now for falling for the bait and switch with him. They couldn't have known, nor could Trump voters
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They also ignore that BLM was not a political movement being instigated by any dem politician. They just think it is a good yabbut for jan 6 because there is nothing else they can do for their defense of the indefensible.
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Anyone following along knew Trump was a nutbag beforehand. Grab em by the pussy came out well before election day 2016. Even a bunch of GOP politicians had come out against Trump during the primaries only to shut up once Trump got the nomination because they saw the kind of power he had over their voters.
Trump attacked Cruz's wife (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-targets-ted-cruzs-wife-twitter/story?id=37889421)
Trump attacked Jeb Bush for being low energy.
Really think Trump's issues were hidden prior to 2016 election? lmao
What on Earth does any of that have to do with policy. Look up BIden and sentencing and the war on drugs.
And Clinton was getting BJs in office. So what
No. This part of the Trump candidacy was central and known to all in 2016.
Either way, the point is, the right wing crazies have more sway over the GOP than the leftist crazies do over the Dems. That may change someday soon, and when it does, you can come back here and tell me "Told you so!" But until then, it's simply a fact that your party succumbed to crazy first.
Yeah we're going to have to disagree on this one. I didn't know it in 2016. I was in midlife crisis mode, admittedly, and busy as shit with work so I didn't vote, but i would have 100 percent voted for Trump. And I liked Bill Clinton and didn't detest Hilary like so many others.
As for the present, I would assert that the far right crazies are still the far right in policy; conversely, the far left crazies are actually setting the policy of the left with only Manchin/Sinema preventing the door from being kicked in
But they basically turned biden into their guy with the policies. His policies are as far left as any bernie supporter would want he just cannot get them passed is all. But biden is now very very far left wing.
Did you happen to notice who the Democrats nominated in 2020?
Your point seems to be that all Trump voters are right wing crazies. Or, maybe you have a way to determine which Trump voters are right wing crazies and which are not?
Your view of things seems to be driven more by fear of the left than anything. Tell me, what are all these far left policies that only Sinema and Manchin are preventing? Did the House pass Defund the Police? Cancel student debt? What exactly are these two Senators saving us from?
also of note, Trump’s accomplishments are pretty much mainstream GOP. He never enacted right-wing crazy policies, I dont think he even proposed any. He did, however, succeed with some initiatives that the Democrats should have been happy with.
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It's irrelevant how many are actual crazies. All that matters is how many vote with the crazies.
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They are saving us from common sense voting protection that would get in the way of the GOP deck stacking.
Trillions in social spending; the further expansion of government; the further reliance on government; etc.
