Yep, I'd have really liked to see how he and X would have played together. But, if it would have taken the ball out of JHS' hands this season, it might have hurt his draft stock and the benefit to the program of him being a high first round pick might have been lessened also.
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60% of NBA players are broke within five years after retiring. Now I'm sure that's a bankruptcy number, so it's not like these dudes are destitute, but there likely are some who are. (It also doesn't account for those went on to other business interests and were successful.)
The first NBA contract isn't change your life money. It's not. It's fun money.
How many of these players, especially those drafted in the first round with guaranteed contracts, think they aren't getting that next contract?
We'd all hope all of them, especially those we watched grow up, invested and spent wisely, but it's clear a majority of them don't. That's just counting those who went belly up. I'm sure the number is much higher of those who likely pi$$ed money away for 3-4 years but were fortunate enough to get that second and third long term contract. Even some of those guys went broke too.
$15M in your early 20's isn't change your life money. Pulling back on a lifestyle isn't easy.
Lol.
$16mil guaranteed is absolutely "change your life money" considering that's more than 99% of every living person on this planet will ever see in a lifetime.
Obviously spending, investing, etc wisely will determine the final outcome, but don't get it twisted, $16mil is absolutely life changing type money and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
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we all knew JHS was OAD. That was the plan going back to his time at MV. No surprise there at all.
TJD could have left last year and would be playing for the Barcelona acrobats (TIC)...but now he stays in the states and plays in the show. I call that a good story to tell.
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No kidding. Even half a$$ed investing a portion and not touching it for 20-30 years. I kind of know his aunt and haven’t seen any crazy postings about him spending crazy amounts.
I'll put that "just be kind" sign right next to my "get off my lawn" sign....and my "I support the 2A financially...if ya know what I mean..." sign.
Just saying, this thread is being harsh to IU players who have never said a bad word about the program or any of us fans. I have no problem at all calling someone of prick, if they are a prick. RL and TB don't qualify in my view. They behaved and carried themselves quite well while at IU, compared to the clown show that was occurring during the latter CTC years, which included many calls on the local police scanner and one kid almost landing in the morgue.
I think some put too much (draft) stock in “one and dones” benefitting a program, as if some consolation prize impressive to next season’s recruits. More beneficial to IU recruiting would have been JHS playing with X, not getting his hands on the ball so he plays another year. Now, we’ll never know what might have been…Jalen and Xavier orchestrating the offense as One. It might be different if Jalen had “IU” tattooed on his forehead with candy stripes on his forearms.
Some of the most hateful people in my neighborhood are those sign bearers.
CTC shouldn’t be held accountable for the Davis/Holt incident any more than Woody for X’s 2 AM/90mph police chase up Walnut St.
All you can ask of the player is that he continues to tout his IU experience and influence recruits when he can. JHS certainly seems to have done that. I think MM's decision was based on that to some degree and he seems to have helped with both the MV pipeline and the Harper recruitment. That's pretty stout!
The TJD story isn't complete just yet. But I do have to believe that Woodson, and our staff, have a compelling story for today's modern bigs on their role in TJD's NBA journey.
I was VERY frustrated with how Woody used TJD in his first season at IU. But have to give him credit for opening things up a bit last year, and allowing/encouraging TJD to play more away from the basket.
Like I strongly suspected would happen, he still had monster numbers, and our offense got quite a lot more efficient and dynamic.
JHS played a role, obviously, but I'm not sure the NET gain, if there was a gain at all, of JHS over Xavier was nearly as big of a factor as TJD playing away from the basket a lot more than he did the year prior.
I don't think landing Ware and Mack in the same class is a coincidence either. Woody's efforts with/for TJD, and JHS for that matter, are already paying huge dividends on the recruiting trail.
fair point.
Not a hater. Just protecting my family and possessions. And breaking no laws. Everything is legal and legit in my humble casa.
I've met a lot of people who claim to be on the other side, who turn into haters the moment they realize I don't share their opinions. Too many haters everywhere now, on all sides of the spectrum.
So does defending a couple nice young kids who played for IU and rep'd us well now turn me into a Karen? Too cynical even for me.
totally agree with this point. D Thomas, Alford, Calbert, G Graham...my fav IU players who all helped raise B1G banners (and in DT and SA's case, the 87 banner) all were cornerstones of not only great teams, but several years of consistent good-to-great IU eras (sans the 1985 aberration). OADs fill gaps but I've never seen them as a sustainable model for long term success. You need your seasoned 4 yr vets in the mix to maintain stability. Probably 1980s mentality but still my preference.
I question how much of an impact OADs have going forward with the new transfer portal/NIL model. Hell, now anyone can be a OAD, at least as far as the program is concerned.
Again, 16 Mil he did not get. He probably actually saw 7 million? Life changing money if you don’t spend it. The odds, like bloom stated, are that he didn’t invest and live a modest life style.
Final Four teams with OAD kids have been pretty rare. Obviously there are very notable exceptions...Carmelo/Syracuse, UK, Duke... But for every one of those teams, their are 10+ that are led by guys that are either upperclassmen, or will return the following year.
I think the combination of the Transfer Portal, and NIL, is new enough that the verdict is still out on the impact of older transfers. But as of today, I'd view them similarly to OAD kids. Obviously you can win with a team made up with a significant number of them. But its unlikely you'll make a FF and/or win a Natty.
Good lord. He played before NIL money. Unless his family made over a million dollars a year, or half that, or 1/4 of that even... making 7-8 million bucks in 4 years is obviously "life changing". Even if he blew all of it, it changed his life. He didn't "have money" before it. Then he got 7-8 million dollars in 4 years.
If that didn't change his life, that would be incredibly rare and admirable...don't you think?
I know how I would have felt about Romeo if he would have put on a Kansas or Vanderbilt hat instead of the IU one that afternoon in NA high school. I also would take him at the 2 spot next year in a heart beat (the 19 year old version of Romeo).
So he is going to live a life of luxury for the rest of his life? He’s gonna have a beach and mountain house, travel the world, never work again? That’s life changing money to me. Never having to work again.
I’m not an nba player, I’ll easily make that much. Not in 4 years, but I wouldn’t say I’m making life changing money. Or generational wealth for that matter.
Someone offers you a job, as a 19 year old, making 2 million a year...that doesn't change your life at all? This is getting really dumb. And disingenuous.
Strange that so many are obsessed with Romeo's spending habits and net worth.
He made $16 million in 4 years lol. You could comfortably retire off that and not blink an eye.
You'd have to make $500k a year for 30+ years to net what Romeo made over his NBA career. There's plenty of people who work for 30 years and retire and don't make anywhere close to $500k annually.
Clearly it's not for 60% of the people involved.
He didn't come anywhere close to pocketing $16M.
I guess defining "life changing" is probably necessary, to be fair to everyone who has weighed in.
But I can't come up with any definition that doesn't apply to a kid that grew up with any sort of normal life, that gets offered 2mil, take home, a year for 4 years...where that isn't "life changing".
Maybe it didn't/won't make him rich or wealthy for the rest of his life. Maybe he falls prey to the evils that big money like this can bring upon people. Maybe he organically just spent it all, but has a little bit left? Doesn't matter, he didn't have 8 million dollars to his name for the first 18 ish years of his life, with one signature, he does.
Any argument against a 20 million dollar contract, for a 19 year old, however it gets filtered down and out...being a life changing event...is being disingenuous. Sorry...you and Cav just are.
If you can't live comfortably off a $16 million contract taxed down to $8-9 million that's your own damn problem.
Saying that contract isn't life-changing money is down right laughable and to suggest otherwise makes you look foolish.
It's not an argument against a $20M ($16M) contract. It's an argument of what his goals were entering and leaving IU. The 'get money' crowd often wins in the beginning but lose in the end, and it shows in the number of professional athletes who end up struggling financially after their playing days.
If you're going to leave college early, you better be able to contribute early, or you aren't getting that second long term contract. THAT's the change your life money. More and more drafted players, even lottery picks, are done in the NBA by the end of their rookie deal. Hell, the Pacers' Jalen Smith, the team that drafted him (Phoenix) 10th didn't even pick up his final year, then traded him to the Pacers.
Read things. You're denying facts. No matter how many times you reply, the information is there to suggest otherwise. And you're right, it is their own damn problem, because they don't know how to handle their business, including understanding what really matters in lasting in their chosen profession.
Cav got exactly what he wanted with this thread which is to bang on Romeo every chance that he can.
Cav is a small minded person.
Cav is a small minded person.
Oh I get what you're trying to say.
But fundamentally, saying a first round rookie contract in the NBA isn't life changing, or even suggesting it might not be, is disingenuous. You're polishing a turd with these further arguments and clarifications.
The 3-4 years of experience alone are life changing, let alone the measly 8 million bucks that comes with it.
Romeo, or whoever, will be able to carry with them "I played in the NBA", for the rest of their lives. It'll open doors for them. It'll carry a permanent aura for most people that they ever meet. If he ends up not getting another contract, it'll make his value overseas higher, if he chooses to play overseas. If he doesn't, it'll likely make it much easier to break in to whatever other career he's interested in.
Damn it...why do I feel the need to explain this...?
Life changing to me means never having to go to work for someone else ever again. Heck, it would mean never having to work again.
You need to explain it because 60%+ of these guys end up broke. It doesn't even gets us to considering players like Caleb Swanigan.
There are some of these guys around Indy. It's borderline sad, some hustle, some grift. They tread on their resume and often don't last.
Now if he has been wise with his money, he could be fine, but again...60%.
I did read. You said...
That's life-changing money. For anybody. Period. There's no discussion.
Now how some choose to spend that money is a different story, but done right, Romeo in theory should never have to lift his pinkie again. You're suggesting he's blown it all? Is that conjecture based or do you have some kind of solid evidence to suggest otherwise?
And you would never have to work again if you netted $8-9million dollars in a 4 year span if you saved, allocated, and invested properly. You in theory should never have to pay a mortgage, your kids schooling should be paid for, etc. It's life-changing money if done right, stop saying otherwise, you're wrong.
It still doesn't change the fact that it's life-changing money.
It's really a circular argument, because you're really arguing two different things. It would be foolish to say it's not life-changing money, almost any way you slice it. Even if they're blowing it, that's a change in their lives to that point. Plus, I'm sure many are making investments (maybe bad ones), rewarding parents and family members, etc... It's life-changing no doubt. You're admitting you're putting qualifiers on what your definition of life-changing is, and in that regard, you too are correct!
Can never resist the opportunity to share former pro soccer player George Best's quote on this subject: "I've spent a fortune on booze, women and fast cars... the rest I've just squandered!". He was the Yogi Berra of derelicts!
In that case, anything is life changing then. I view life changing money as life sustaining money. $9M (net) isn't life sustaining money without a good amount of care, which numbers would suggest, happens less than it does.
*It's not a circular argument, it's just a dumb argument.
More dumb than saying Tamar Bates is a better basketball player than Romeo Langford.
It's not because someone making $15/hr is going to struggle to put food on the table each and every day for the rest of their life.
$9/m is more than life sustaining money and you would never have to worry about providing for your family on a day to basis if done in moderation. Hence life changing.
You and I aren't 19-23 year olds, being told we're great and not to worry because there will be more paydays. It's understandable these players believe in themselves, but it takes more than that.
It still doesn't negate the fact that it's life changing money which you vehemently have denied.
there is no way in hell that 60 percent of 1st round NBA draft picks end up bankrupt. maybe pro athletes in general but the vast majority of them are fringe players. who never really made big money.
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