Really hope this is not true
- Thread starter Mark Milton
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Actually it depends. I did a ton of business with China in my old job and they were quite fluent, at least via email.
But I'll agree just on the phrasing and syntax that the reddit guy sounds suspicious.
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UsernameNotTakenX
•2y ago
I know a sinophile in China who is completely in-denial about everything. They seem to love the culture but when it comes to politics they just deny everything in order to maintain 'their fantasy' or use the classic line "well you think it's bad in China, just look at America. . ". They also have this really unhealthy obsession with their home country, the US, which they constantly talk about how is the worst society on planet Earth where the quality of life is below that of some Amazonian tribe.
They also earn about 4-5 times the local average salary in China and then proceed to say how everything in China is soo much cheaper than the US. Such as healthcare and education. They stay in an expat bubble the whole time and never interact with the real locals. Their Chinese friends are all upper-class. So little do they know that healthcare and education for the average Chinese is super expensive.
UsernameNotTakenX
•2y ago
I know a sinophile in China who is completely in-denial about everything. They seem to love the culture but when it comes to politics they just deny everything in order to maintain 'their fantasy' or use the classic line "well you think it's bad in China, just look at America. . ". They also have this really unhealthy obsession with their home country, the US, which they constantly talk about how is the worst society on planet Earth where the quality of life is below that of some Amazonian tribe.
They also earn about 4-5 times the local average salary in China and then proceed to say how everything in China is soo much cheaper than the US. Such as healthcare and education. They stay in an expat bubble the whole time and never interact with the real locals. Their Chinese friends are all upper-class. So little do they know that healthcare and education for the average Chinese is super expensive.
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I've never gone down the Sinophile rabbit hole...it all makes sense.
Witty_Trick9220
•2y ago
This is very true. I spent 1/3 of my life in China, and there is a loooot for things about the country i love. Though right now more to dislike... I've also met alot of these people that dont really see a spade for a spade when it comes to China.. Besides the mental issues suggested by OP, I'd also suggest a overly left-leaning political standing is also behind many foreigners weird love relationship with China. Kinda stuck in the old communist vs capitalist struggle, and refuse to see China today for what it is
Witty_Trick9220
•2y ago
This is very true. I spent 1/3 of my life in China, and there is a loooot for things about the country i love. Though right now more to dislike... I've also met alot of these people that dont really see a spade for a spade when it comes to China.. Besides the mental issues suggested by OP, I'd also suggest a overly left-leaning political standing is also behind many foreigners weird love relationship with China. Kinda stuck in the old communist vs capitalist struggle, and refuse to see China today for what it is
I’m notifying the feds. I think you have to be a Maoist spy. No one would go to China 3 times. Something smells here.
The emails my wife received were nothing short of third grade level. And their English was not much better. Couldn’t beat the prices though even when you include the shipping.
There was a difference between the several suppliers I dealt with. Some were perfectly fluent, others were quite rudimentary. The key for us was to avoid jargon and contractions and to only use short declarative sentences.
Funny you should mention shoveling snow...Hey Neighbor, did you go out and earn extra $$ to pay off a fellow student's lunch debt as well?
I must admit, for some reason I kept mixing up DBM as someone called DMB. I finally had to train myself to remember that DMB was The Dave Matthews Band and DBM was the poster with all the crazy takes. Although honestly, DBM always reminded me of someone I could easily envision following the DMB around (jk)...Good grief, hoos, you can't even get your initials right. DBM posts the polls. DDE gets banned for crazy rants. DDB and DBE aren't real posters.
Some of the nicest and coolest people I've ever met have been at Dave concerts.
Having an affinity for the people of China is not the same as being pro-CCP...
"As a congressman, Walz co-sponsored legislation that took a firm stance on China. He met with the Dalai Lama and Hong Kong democracy activist Joshua Wong, both of whom are viewed with hostility by Beijing.
Walz also served on the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, which monitors human rights and the rule of law in the country.
During the hearing on the 25th Tiananmen crackdown anniversary, he said: “If we do not commemorate and we do not remember those who were willing to risk all, it puts all of us at risk of history forgetting the lessons that were there.”
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What's your claim here? That Reddit (a ****ing lefty site), describing Walz-clones (2 years ago) as dorks, is inaccurate?
WTF man. 😃
Flying to Mexico 20+ times for cheap Viag's, cheap fiahing, chicks, and booze/drugs is much different than 30+ paid trips, including your honeymoon w kids, to China.
I never knew there was a whole subset of American dorks that went to China religiously like Walz...but apparently it's a recognized strata within the shitlib scene.
Hilarious.
lol Are you serious? They've been inventing and distorting things about him since he declared his candidacy.
I hope this doesn't surprise anyone.
lmao Don Jr had a 20 minute meeting with Russians and Walz had 30 visits to China paid for by China.
China is praising the selection of Walz for VP.
When will the Special Prosecutor be assigned to investigate Walz's China Collusion?
If he can only do this....Just hit the obvious---avoid the bait----He wins.
But he won't.
Most hated man of lifetime....Its scary, comical.
Oprah hates him-----but not so much nack in the late 80's and 90's, when she was basically sucking his dick for him to be on her show.
Dudes an outlier---an outsider. Dems DO NOT like that. He cannot be bought/paid off, etc.----And they hate that.
Your last sentence is absolutely laughable.
Look into why Trump was so against tik tok and then did an about face.
He likes it now because he found out one of his biggest donors has stake in the tiktoc parent group.
Definitely can't be bought though.
How much money did he get? And are we really comparing Tik-Tok, to that of political "favors". lobbying, etccc?🤣🤣
When he changes his stance because it will hurt his backers financially, thus hurting him because he won't have a big time donors support, yes, that is the very definition of being bought.
For you to argue otherwise is being disingenuous.
He has no point. It's devolved into blatant "Democrats are traitors!" nonsense.
It is interesting how easily Democrat politicians seem to be influenced by the CCP.
As for who matters most in espionage, even this NPR guest agrees China is by far the worst (worse than Russia).
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The idea that Democrats seem to be more susceptible to CCP intelligence Ops has merit.
It’s worse in California. Many Dems have Chinese intelligence working for them and funding them.
Not all Democrats but a number more statistically significant than Republicans.
I am more concerned about a president of the United States who routinely did business with the Chinese government for years and years, that owned the bank leasing property in Trump's properties where he bragged about it in 2015, that purchased millions of dollars worth of units in Trump's properties, and of course Ivanka trump received 41 Chinese trademarks from the time she was appointed a White House adviser in March 2017 to April 2019. Wait, it gets better- of the trademarks Ivanka applied for after her father’s inauguration, those got approved 40% faster than those she sought out beforehand. The last two major trademarks were issued on the day Trump lifted tariffs on China.
There's nothing to see here boys and girls, just everyday grifting by the former and convicted felon president.
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Call all you want. As far as I know, there have been more Democrats linked to Chinese spies than Republicans. Democrats (whether you like this or not) make better ideological targets for the Chinese spies because there are (again whether you like it or not) people in the Democrat coalition who have some affinity for how the Chinese run some things.
A country like Israel would probably choose more Republicans. They have a better "in" with them in the same way the Chinese have a better "in" with Democrats.
I didn't say anything about whom they target. I was calling out the slippery slope of accusing the other side of being traitors. You responded by saying Democrats are statistically more likely to be (traitors) than Republicans. That's what I'm calling bullshit on.
Yet Trump was a traitor and the majority of Republicans still support him.
I think your statistics are shit.
According to who? Rightwing propaganda bull shit?
What about Ivanka's ties with China and all those questionably timed trademarks? Nothing to see there because they're republicans.
JDB gave you a short list of 3 up above. Tell you what Sport, that is currently 3-0. Instead of being an ankle biting intellectual chihuahua, why don't you go and at least find 3 Republicans to buttress your argument first.
Ronald Montaperto was a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who was spy for the Chinese-a republican.
Former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, appointed by George Bush, had significant concerns raised about him as his lop top was accessed through accidentally on purposefully placed spy war.
Kevin Mallory and Ron Hansen, a CIA case officer and DIA officer were republican voters. Both were sentenced to huge terms in prison for espionage.
It is a stupid score to keep with a sample size of 7.
Of note is the number of total espionage cases relating to Chinese Espionage incidents (not charges). The chart shows that after Obama and Xi agreed to restrict commercial espionage in 2015, the number of incidents of reported Chinese espionage dropped considerably---until 2017 when another guy took office and it rose to levels never seen before--and continued until Biden administration where it dropped again.
I give you points for an attempt, but you aren't Hickory.Ronald Montaperto was a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who was spy for the Chinese-a republican.
Former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, appointed by George Bush, had significant concerns raised about him as his lop top was accessed through accidentally on purposefully placed spy war.
Kevin Mallory and Ron Hansen, a CIA case officer and DIA officer were republican voters. Both were sentenced to huge terms in prison for espionage.
It is a stupid score to keep with a sample size of 7.
Of note is the number of total espionage cases relating to Chinese Espionage incidents (not charges). The chart shows that after Obama and Xi agreed to restrict commercial espionage in 2015, the number of incidents of reported Chinese espionage dropped considerably---until 2017 when another guy took office and it rose to levels never seen before--and continued until Biden administration where it dropped again.
On your point, I would raise the objection that there is a difference between a politician and a supposed voter and how I would weigh those. Same would be the case when having your computer hacked and the difference between that and pillow talk with the honey pot you are banging and sharing secrets with. Additionally, using espionage cases as a barometer isn't an exact science either. Looks to me like Trump's administration was more concerned with sussing out spies as opposed to rug sweeping it like Joe and Obama 😜
ETA: And all of this wasn't really getting at my true intention behind my post to Hickory. I think he is usually just a Pee Wee Herman poster (I know you are but what am I) whose main contribution to the forum is laughing emojis and the aforementioned "what about you" stuff. I think Cosmic is similar but he at least tries to bring content. Every now and then when Hickory responds to my posts with that stupid shit, I take it upon myself to whack him and ask him to try harder. I don't agree with you, but you at least are intellectually honest enough to show your work or explain yourself. So much so in fact that you did the work for Hickory, which is what usually happens....because Hickory is Scott Farcas's little sidekick.
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Sounds like China is trying to play the old school, corruption game. It's ironic that after all of those fast-tracked trademarks, Trump still imposed tariffs on China (which were ratcheted higher by Biden after being critical a few years earlier).
I'm not defending the guy. I dislike him greatly, but there is a concerning issue with Democratic politicians being infiltrated by Chinese spies.
Ronald Montaperto was a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who was spy for the Chinese-a republican.
Former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, appointed by George Bush, had significant concerns raised about him as his lop top was accessed through accidentally on purposefully placed spy war.
Kevin Mallory and Ron Hansen, a CIA case officer and DIA officer were republican voters. Both were sentenced to huge terms in prison for espionage.
It is a stupid score to keep with a sample size of 7.
Of note is the number of total espionage cases relating to Chinese Espionage incidents (not charges). The chart shows that after Obama and Xi agreed to restrict commercial espionage in 2015, the number of incidents of reported Chinese espionage dropped considerably---until 2017 when another guy took office and it rose to levels never seen before--and continued until Biden administration where it dropped again.
How many of these supposed Republican voters were appointed or hired by Republicans for the government agencies they worked for? I don't know enough about the Gutierrez incident, but are you suggesting that he intentionally allowed the Chinese to copy sensitive documents from his laptop? Was he charged?
Espionage cases increasing as trade rhetoric rose is not surprising in the least. What has happened since Biden imposed even higher tariffs on Chinese goods in May? I cannot imagine incidents went down.
You've made a distinction in "voter" versus "politician" that wasn't part of the original proposition, namely, that that democrats are more likely to be susceptible to communist China's wiles. You can't change the parameters mid stream when you don't like the results. The latest bit of spying, whatever with Hochul didn't involve an elected figure either, so how do deal with that?
So espionage incidence REPORTING by the intelligence agencies who receive information from whomever may not be exact, but it seems to me that it might be a better indicator of things than the Water Cooler supposition.... So you really don't do yourself any favor by saying "using espionage cases as a barometer isn't an exact science" when you would have us all believe anecdotal supposition.
I would suggest you've read the chart and the info improperly. The chart tracks the reporting of incidents. And 100% it isn't a complete analysis, but it is better than screaming from the mountain "All dems are commies". Either way incidence reporting increased, which is what I would imagine when the president of the united states works his superhuman grifting powers in tit for tat exchanges with the CCP.
