Reality check for the anti-Beard folks…
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Nothing is "not true" just yet. None of this will be proven until a hire is made.
NO SHIT, we pretty well went 12 whole pages on this thread w/o going there and don't need to start now.
This isn’t me, but in my opinion, this is a good summation of what I think about Indiana and Chris Beard and Scott Dolson. I also should clarify, that I’m not necessarily opposed to us hiring Chris Beard, because he’s obviously a really good coach and maybe the best that we have access to at this point, I’ve just been laying out the reasons why I truly don’t think that’s going to happen. But I think I also fall in the camp that doesn’t believe that Pamela will have an issue with it so much as the board of trustees might.
So while there has been some Beard smoke in the last 24 hours, although where it’s coming from, can’t be trusted at all, I still don’t think that’s where we end up. My money is on TJ.
So while there has been some Beard smoke in the last 24 hours, although where it’s coming from, can’t be trusted at all, I still don’t think that’s where we end up. My money is on TJ.
Way more likely to have bad outcome number 1 with some of the names being thrown around than bad outcome number 2, IMO. Most people live and learn, some don't I'm betting that Beard did a ton of learning a few years back. Dude can just flat-out coach, wins big games in a monster conference with players no one has heard about. The sky is the limit with our NIL budget and his skill set as a coach.
they could call you, Zeke and Victor as witnesses. You all have provided lots of details on Beards background. I mean, surely you all weren't making things up or commenting on things you have no real knowledge of. You should reach out to the DA in Austin. I'm sure the statute of limitations on it hasn't passed.
I haven't provided any details that weren't part of the public record or reported on by media. It just chaps your ass that the details provided make hiring him risky and more unlikely than likely and you've gotten your panties in a wad over it.
Sorry if you've gotten labeled with the crowd far more likely to be wearing panties, but there have been MANY comments shared here that weren't in the police report, which sadly, I've read more than once because I had to verify what I remembered.
Panties, blow jobs... dude, I said before, you're perversions and preferences are fine by me. Be comfortable with yourself, they don't threaten me in anyway. Get yourself a nice lacy pair or 3, I think you need to feel special.
You know what I heard yesterday? There are a small group of professors who are ready to set up Beard when he does his pub crawl. Growing up and working at and around IU I believe it. Would you stake your reputation as an high level administrator hiring him in a very public setting? I wouldn’t.
You "hear" too much and believe too much, me thinks. And, not that I expect the 100th time will get through the thick skulls of some, but I've never once said I want them to hire Chris Beard. I've said, consider him, vet him and look into his background beyond that night and if that passes, then talk to him and get his version of that night and what he's done in his life to insure that never happens again.
If he would allow himself to be caught drinking/carousing in Bloomington bars, then he's not the right guy and hasn't made the changes in lifestyle to prevent that. But, SD should hear that directly from CB, not you, Zeke, or any other ancillary parties. I've pretty well stopped drinking, not because I had any anger or conduct issues, but just for health reasons. I do miss a happy hour drink at times, but in his situation, it's not too much to give up to gain back your life.
I did. I’m not ashamed to bring rumors and stories. Those rumors and stories were alive back before the DV incident. It’s funny how those aren’t credible but when the HH and Rabby clowns say there is legs to a rumor then it’s ok. Beard is a drinker. Not just a social drinker like many of us.
That is what you get when you let the inmates run the asylum. I would hire him and fire all those professors, set a precedent and live by it. High level administrators with no backbone are not good at their job.
That’s what I heard. If you don’t like it fine. I don’t doubt some of these crazy Proffs and minions wouldn’t do it. They went after Knight before social media. Pretty much set him up too. Beard is too easy of a target too. Make no mistake he would be.
I heard this week from my neighbor that Venus, which I'd been watching all week because it was especially close and bright, was some sort of UFO and was zig-zagging all over the sky, while pulsating and changing colors. I didn't believe that either.
So comparing a believable Beard story to that? Pretty much sums it up. You believe what you want.
Same type of professors who railroaded the duke lacrosse guys on day one based on a lie. Proof is not needed only the allegation
One thing I thought about is if any of the professor stuff is true then there is a possibility that Beard is a serious candidate and this is the reactionary effect of it.
If we are letting people like Murray Sperber have any say on who the next coach is then we are doomed already.
My friends and I use to call professors "educated idiots". Those who can't do teach, before you throw stones over this statement my Mother was a teacher for well over 30 years.
Not saying they will or won’t be but those fools exist and have a voice in the institutions and city. The athletic department knows what they have in front of them.
I'm not sure what you're describing as a believable story. The difference, which seems to be eluding you, is that mine was first hand, and I still knew it to be stupid and false. The "stories" you've related are just that and second hand... or worse. And again, as I said, if CB has any thought to go out in Btown drinking and carousing, then he's not taken what happened seriously and I'd not consider him past that.
Folks with their dander up say dumb things, and often untrue things, and you don't have to look farther than this thread to see examples of that.
Kind of like these folks who 100% rush to judgment if it fits their narrative.
The Group of 88 was a group of Duke University professors who signed an ad in response to a false accusation against the Duke lacrosse team. The ad was published in April 2006 in The Chronicle, the university's student newspaper.
What happened?
- A Black stripper falsely accused three white members of the Duke lacrosse team of raping her at a party
- The incident was under police investigation when the ad was published
- The professors were criticized for commenting on the case at that stage
well, I've staunchly avoided commenting on or relating what I didn't know to be true. You can say the same? I'm not wrong, you were the guy who said PK had to bail CB out of jail more than once, correct?
But that strikes me as being at odds with the crowd that was insisting that it doesn't matter if the woman wants to press charges - the DA can and will proceed without her if the evidence is strong enough.
I guess I'm thinking of it like this, and walk through it with me:
On one hand people insist he attacked her because the police filed the report (because they had enough to do so). They're using the police report as the evidence to say that and then they say that the fact that she doesn't want to press charges means nothing because it's not up to her. Verdict: he attacked her.
But then when the DA doesn't prosecute because of lack of evidence, including the very police report that everybody was using as the evidence that he attacked her, then everyone pivots to he still attacked her but in this particular case it IS up to her to press charges because the DA doesn't have anything without her. Verdict: despite the DA dropping the case and Trew vehemently denying his intent was to hurt her; Still attacked her.
So, my point is and always has been that the marks on her could be explained by her being out of control and are the result of attempts to subdue her and/or a scuffle of some sort where maybe that came into play, maybe not. But two were definitely tangoing in some capacity.
This is all in the context of those arguing that the facts, as best we can ascertain, point to him attacking her and beating her. I think most of those people don't care - he put his hands on a woman, he's done. It doesn't matter why. If that's their view, then just say that. I wouldn't agree with it, but I'd know those people aren't open for discussion. It's the argument they claim supports their conclusion that doesn't make sense to me.
Generally speaking, as a lay person, I'm not understanding the case for domestic abuse. There was a scuffle for sure. That is unseemly, but domestic abuse or violence both cite "patterns of" prominently in their definitions. It would make more sense that it was assault and battery. Why wouldn't the DA charge that? I don't know - obviously I'm not familiar with the nuances between it all. But the reason I make the distinction is because when the law gets involved livelihoods are on the line so what is said and alleged has to be very specific and defined correctly. It's not to say something bad, dumb or wrong hasn't taken place. But there are levels to it and those levels matter.
The questions above about the arguments people make and why and then further into the actual definitions of what took place are interesting to me. You and I are at odds philosophically a lot, but I trust you to understand the true intent of my questions.
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No. I have no knowledge of that but have seen it posted. The only story I heard was the one that involved pats wife and the general drunkenness. There’s video of that(public drunkenness)and a story written about Beard drinking in the lobby during his final 4 run. My brother in law is an Ol Miss alum and has acknowledged Beards controversial hiring. There is some alum pushback with him and donations to not be earmarked for the BB program. This is all I’ve posted. The only thing I’ve said that has no backing is the Pat Knight stories. You are the one who got bent about it and lumped me into this.
I'm not sure the back story to the first part of your post, but any coach who is of age and wants to go out and enjoy life while not breaking rules has the right to do so. I know after the UCLA game Calbert was out at some local Bloomington watering holes, is that considered drinking and carousing?
I’m of the opinion that this all goes back to more than just social drinking. Most people that social drink can make rational decisions and at his age make better choices/decisions about who they are with. IMHO he’s the type who might not. I love hanging with my neighbor but even I know when to leave his house before midnight. Nothing ever good happens after midnight.
Why do you keep posting about Duke LaCrosse? What does it have to do with Chris Beard or Indiana University?
The older one gets the more one comes to understand the midnight saying. I've heard that Beard may drink a lot but that's just really been a compiling of people saying just that. I don't know how that got started and if it's true or not. I'm one who doesn't believe that kind of stuff until someone can confirm it.
Well when the guy we are talking about says he does it tends to be more believable. He knows he drinks too much and does go out…alone to college bars. If Dolson or Woody did this all the time what would everyone say? Be honest. I mean Woody got killed for smoking cigars and drinking bourbon after a loss. Optics be damned.
Every time you compare Duke Lacrosse and Chris Beard, an angel loses its wings.
For the umpteenth time, there is ZERO parallel to Duke Lacrosse and Chris Beard. Chris Beard was never falsely accused of anything. He and his fiance got into a physical altercation (both parties admit as such) and he was fired for cause because attacking someone who broke your glasses isn't a justifiable action, regardless if charges were dropped because his fiance recanted her statements to the police.
I read three different IU related forums and you're the single dumbest poster on all three of them.
I agree with your comments regarding Duke X, but dumbest poster? That's a high bar.
Dumb is what comes to mind when i ready your posts. I know exactly who you are on every forum I read you post as well and you run with the same tired narrative on every single one of them. I get it you hate him. You repeat it over and over again on every single board you are on preaching about how moral you are. And calling people dumb is all part of your deal. I guess it makes you feel better about yourself or something.
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